School Vouchers

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Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

Public schools are less likely to innovate if you pull the money out.

Push for change, NOT to defund schools.

Have you met our SB? They are incapable of change. Public schools aren’t innovating with a full budget. So, put the money elsewhere and let capitalism do its thing.

I'm sorry, but did you just say that the public schools have a "full budget?" What on Earth gives you that impression? Schools are underfunded.

Exactly. And pulling money out isn't going to fix anything.

Push for CHANGE - not to DESTROY public schools.

We did that. It didn’t work. And it’s become super apparent now just how dysfunctional it all has become. NO more excuses. Time to start over. Innovate. The US has fallen too far behind. Yet .... more requests for money, more standards, more testing .... and well, more excuses.

Public schools aren’t going to suddenly rebound from the pandemic. They just aren’t. Where’s the money coming from? The federal government- not likely with the current debt load. The state — again, not likely since they need to balance their budgets. More property taxes — there’s a limit here too.

You guys are such drama queens. Of course the schools will recover.

Part of the next relief bill is support for public schools to open. Beyond that, communities will need to lean into schools, not defund, for them to recover. Fortunately, most parents aren't crazy whiners.

I think you underestimate the current hole the country is in.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s especially a limit on more property taxes when the school system has lost the trust of the community.

Well good-bye semi-decent schools and property value then.

True. But the good schools are gone.

The same schools are still there, drama queen. Go take some meds and check back in when schools open.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s especially a limit on more property taxes when the school system has lost the trust of the community.

Well good-bye semi-decent schools and property value then.

True. But the good schools are gone.

The same schools are still there, drama queen. Go take some meds and check back in when schools open.

When you can’t win on the merits, attack the person. Maybe you need the meds. See how that works?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s especially a limit on more property taxes when the school system has lost the trust of the community.

Well good-bye semi-decent schools and property value then.

True. But the good schools are gone.

The same schools are still there, drama queen. Go take some meds and check back in when schools open.

When you can’t win on the merits, attack the person. Maybe you need the meds. See how that works?

I’m not the one here manufacturing a doomsday scenario.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem I see is that there just won’t be enough good schools to go around! Suppose I am looking for a school where I like the demographic, the reputation, and the test data, will there be a spot for me? It’s not a coincidence that good schools are mostly overcrowded. What if they were allowed to accept from outside of their boundaries?
At the same time low performing schools sit underenrolled and even close sometimes.

Exactly this. You want to hand over education to capitalism? What happens to a business that's poorly run? It usually goes out of business. And what happens when the school your child attends goes out of business? Have any of you experienced a daycare suddenly going to crap because the director changed or the school got bought out, and the teachers left in droves? We have. It stinks. I was so glad to be done with the daycare years. I can't imagine having to deal with that possibility throughout school, and having no governing board to petition... the only recourse being to pull my child from the school, from their friends, and start over in a new private school. Yech.

So, much better to force them to stay in a GS 1 school without full accreditation, because they have no other option? There are bad school everywhere. In privates, the go under and the kids go to better schools. In public’s, they spiral downward as white flight happens. And kids without money are stuck. Although it’s disruptive, isn’t it better to give kids the choice to leave a bad school? I don’t see the argument for forcing kids to stay in drecks of the school system because they can’t afford better.

I don't understand what you're saying. I don't mean to sound dumb, but I'm literally not familiar with the term "GS 1" and I don't know what you mean by white flight. It sounds like you're saying that white families leave their schools somehow? Do you mean wealthy people who can afford private schools? Or do you mean somehow families switch which public school they attend? I'm not in FCPS, so maybe this is more prevalent in your area. I don't doubt what you're saying, but would appreciate if you could explain. Being serious, not snarky.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

Public schools are less likely to innovate if you pull the money out.

Push for change, NOT to defund schools.

Have you met our SB? They are incapable of change. Public schools aren’t innovating with a full budget. So, put the money elsewhere and let capitalism do its thing.

I'm sorry, but did you just say that the public schools have a "full budget?" What on Earth gives you that impression? Schools are underfunded.

If a school system has the money to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a motivational speaker during a pandemic. I would argue they are overfunded. Seems like that money would buy a lot of plexiglass.

Which school system did that? Yikes.

I wouldn't take that to mean that they are fully funded. Misusing funds, maybe. Is that FCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

I love it. And please give me year round schools like they have in the UK and Australia. Thanks!

Oh, so you never have to deal with your children?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem I see is that there just won’t be enough good schools to go around! Suppose I am looking for a school where I like the demographic, the reputation, and the test data, will there be a spot for me? It’s not a coincidence that good schools are mostly overcrowded. What if they were allowed to accept from outside of their boundaries?
At the same time low performing schools sit underenrolled and even close sometimes.

That's the point of a school is low performing it should disappear, the demand goes to good schools

It's not like a school turns bad and suddenly goes out of business (unless it's REALLY bad). It's usually a gradual degradation of services and a slow departure of good teachers and families until, finally, it goes under.

The private schools would have to be accountable to the county somehow or else a system like that would never work.

What if there was a hybrid approach (no pun intended)? What if they made a school semi-private? The school building and equipment is funded by the state and county. The staff is provided by a private company or companies, who can pay them better? Would that also negate the bargaining rights of the teachers union?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

I love it. And please give me year round schools like they have in the UK and Australia. Thanks!

Oh, so you never have to deal with your children?

Actually, year round schools in the UK have as much or more time off than American schools. They just don't have it all in one go. So instead of having 12 weeks off in the summer, they have one month off (say July), then December-January and then April. Or three weeks off four times a year. Anyways it works out the same but you put your kids in a camp for a few weeks or go away for a few weeks and then back to school before everyone gets bored.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

I love it. And please give me year round schools like they have in the UK and Australia. Thanks!

Oh, so you never have to deal with your children?

Teachers: You cannot create threads titled "Nasty parents - are you this mean in real life?" and then have some from your rank posting comments like this. I hope you realize the nastiness is going both ways (and I happen to think it's a small number of jerks on these boards spewing the hatred).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

I love it. And please give me year round schools like they have in the UK and Australia. Thanks!

Oh, so you never have to deal with your children?

Teachers: You cannot create threads titled "Nasty parents - are you this mean in real life?" and then have some from your rank posting comments like this. I hope you realize the nastiness is going both ways (and I happen to think it's a small number of jerks on these boards spewing the hatred).

Why do you assume that this a teacher? I have noticed that everyone seems pretty critical of everyone on this forum. I see parents exchanging insults regularly..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

I love it. And please give me year round schools like they have in the UK and Australia. Thanks!

Oh, so you never have to deal with your children?

Teachers: You cannot create threads titled "Nasty parents - are you this mean in real life?" and then have some from your rank posting comments like this. I hope you realize the nastiness is going both ways (and I happen to think it's a small number of jerks on these boards spewing the hatred).

I've often wondered if this board is just the same 30 people talking back and forth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes 100% vouchers! I’ll vote for any pro voucher candidate now. -former liberal who is livid about no school

Better than that, 100% of per pupil expenditure, money follows kids.

Signed,
GOP who wants to destroy public schools

Nope. Dem who has spent a lot of time thinking about education policy this year. Our schools are a relic of the 1950s and one size fits all. This is a great chance to overhaul that, make HSs smaller and more specialized, get a better voc tech track for HS, find a way to keep AAP from being such a mess, etc. we aren’t 1950. We have the technology and a different economy.

But, governments don’t innovate. They aren’t nimble. There is a role for the private sector in reimagining education. And public education needs to be reimagined. Why are sports vital for HS? Why not just have club teams and intermural? My DD is super isolated now, and needs some in person. But, with technology would be fine only going in 2 days a week and focusing on things better done in person. Maybe our schools don’t need to be so overcrowded. Maybe there is a role for kids to be hybrid if it’s done well. Or take some classes virtually and some in person. Maybe some kids would be better in a year round school model. Maybe Asian parents want a more Asian style education. Maybe that includes telelearning from teachers in their native country.

So not an R. Just someone who thinks it’s time for schools to get out of the life revolves around average kids going to football games and proms and innovate.

I love it. And please give me year round schools like they have in the UK and Australia. Thanks!

Oh, so you never have to deal with your children?

Teachers: You cannot create threads titled "Nasty parents - are you this mean in real life?" and then have some from your rank posting comments like this. I hope you realize the nastiness is going both ways (and I happen to think it's a small number of jerks on these boards spewing the hatred).

Why do you assume that this a teacher? I have noticed that everyone seems pretty critical of everyone on this forum. I see parents exchanging insults regularly..

PP assumes it’s a teacher because PP irrationally hates teachers. And maybe has a screw loose.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s especially a limit on more property taxes when the school system has lost the trust of the community.

Well good-bye semi-decent schools and property value then.

True. But the good schools are gone.

The same schools are still there, drama queen. Go take some meds and check back in when schools open.

When you can’t win on the merits, attack the person. Maybe you need the meds. See how that works?

I’m not the one here manufacturing a doomsday scenario.

Someone questioning the merits of continuing the same educational model is not a drama queen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s especially a limit on more property taxes when the school system has lost the trust of the community.

Well good-bye semi-decent schools and property value then.

True. But the good schools are gone.

The same schools are still there, drama queen. Go take some meds and check back in when schools open.

When you can’t win on the merits, attack the person. Maybe you need the meds. See how that works?

I’m not the one here manufacturing a doomsday scenario.

Someone questioning the merits of continuing the same educational model is not a drama queen.

I quote: “the good schools are gone”

Bullshit.