BASIS Lottery ONLY for 5th grade?

[Anonymous]

Deal does not reflect most DCPS middle schools, certainly not my inbound.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the inveterate boosters are the worst on these threads.

BASIS admins can do no wrong.

C'mon, the program doesn't go from around 130 mostly bright and hard-working 5th graders to four dozen seniors without a whole bunch of families finding BASIS lacking.

Basis parent here. There's plenty of things not to like or not to like about Basis. But I would argue it's a bit early to claim this is the permanent trend- its first class of 5th graders only graduated last year.

What are you smoking, PP? It is a permanent trend, by design, not a secret. The AZ campuses ensure that most of the middle school students don't stay for high school. Somewhere between half and two-thirds of the middle school students have been gone by high school at the original campuses since the 90s. That's the BASIS model. The franchise gets away with weeding out most of their public school students by 9th grade everywhere they operate.

Why do you feel it's wrong though? The school is based on a European model - and this is part of it. Meet the standards or stay back.

[Anonymous]

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This sort of blame-the-families take on BASIS isn't reasonable. My kid could handle the homework, the pressure, the inflexibility without difficulty. But it wasn't a humane set up. Kids who weren't going to last were routinely shunned by others (don't bother with him, he won't be in our grade next year). Middle schoolers, particularly boys, bounced off the walls without enough natural light, space or exercise to thrive. Just not a very happy place. Not what the taxpayer should be paying for.

My kids are happy and thriving at BASIS. Why do you want to take a strong school away from other families, simply because it wasn't a good fit for your child?

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What are you smoking, PP? It is a permanent trend, by design, not a secret. The AZ campuses ensure that most of the middle school students don't stay for high school. Somewhere between half and two-thirds of the middle school students have been gone by high school at the original campuses since the 90s. That's the BASIS model. The franchise gets away with weeding out most of their public school students by 9th grade everywhere they operate.

Huh. In my kids' BASIS school, it is true that they go from 180 5th graders to maybe 70 graduating seniors. It isn't due to weeding out underperforming kids, though. Some kids leave because BASIS is too small to have competitive sports teams, large orchestras, big drama programs, etc. These kids want a more normal high school experience with all of the things available at larger schools. Also, there are some elite test-in magnets (somewhat comparable to TJ) that draw off large portions of the BASIS crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Deal does not reflect most DCPS middle schools, certainly not my inbound.

+1. Exactly

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Anonymous wrote:Come on, Deal has a decent building and academics. Whatever happened to Alice Deal for all?

You obviously are living in la la land.

It’s obvious that the Deal for all was a political stunt to get votes.

Reality is that it’s honors for all, AP for all which is a disaster and what is happening at Wilson. Easy academics and teaching to the lowest common denominator.

Lastly, let’s compare Deal to our neighbors in VA and MD public middle schools with similar housing prices and their students academic standards and performance. You will see Deal is really not all that.

[Anonymous]

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What are you smoking, PP? It is a permanent trend, by design, not a secret. The AZ campuses ensure that most of the middle school students don't stay for high school. Somewhere between half and two-thirds of the middle school students have been gone by high school at the original campuses since the 90s. That's the BASIS model. The franchise gets away with weeding out most of their public school students by 9th grade everywhere they operate.

Huh. In my kids' BASIS school, it is true that they go from 180 5th graders to maybe 70 graduating seniors. It isn't due to weeding out underperforming kids, though. Some kids leave because BASIS is too small to have competitive sports teams, large orchestras, big drama programs, etc. These kids want a more normal high school experience with all of the things available at larger schools. Also, there are some elite test-in magnets (somewhat comparable to TJ) that draw off large portions of the BASIS crowd.

From what I've observed in DC, and a sibling with kids in a BASIS AZ school has observed there, families leave in fairly large numbers for a great variety of reasons. The AZ schools generally graduate around 1/3 of the original 5th grade group, what BASIS wants. There is absolutely weeding out of middle school kids deemed undesirable, plenty. There's also some weeding out of parents who challenge policy. BASIS spins it all differently, but that's what it amounts to. I'm told that in AZ, political push back to BASIS' weeding out methods has been growing in recent years. The franchise can no longer get away with their most egregious culling practices.

[Anonymous]

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From what I've observed in DC, and a sibling with kids in a BASIS AZ school has observed there, families leave in fairly large numbers for a great variety of reasons. The AZ schools generally graduate around 1/3 of the original 5th grade group, what BASIS wants. There is absolutely weeding out of middle school kids deemed undesirable, plenty. There's also some weeding out of parents who challenge policy. BASIS spins it all differently, but that's what it amounts to. I'm told that in AZ, political push back to BASIS' weeding out methods has been growing in recent years. The franchise can no longer get away with their most egregious culling practices.

My kids' school offers a lot of tutoring and student hours for struggling students. It's not like they're actively trying to get rid of kids. They're just not willing to compromise their standards. Really, BASIS is for kids who are bright and motivated. If you think that charter schools exclusively serving the gifted/high achieving population serve an important function, then you wouldn't object to the way BASIS implements its standards. If you think that charter schools that don't serve the broader population are problematic, then you'd obviously have issues with BASIS. A lot of it comes down to what you view as the role of charters.

I'm thrilled with BASIS, because my motivated, bright, high achieving kids finally have an outlet and are learning. They were largely ignored and bored out of their minds in their regular public schools. I wish BASIS had admissions tests, so they could weed out kids who are unlikely to be successful before placing the kids in a classroom and letting them fail. Self-selection isn't working, since every parent of an average kid seems to think that the kid is gifted and belongs in essentially a gifted school.

[Anonymous]

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From what I've observed in DC, and a sibling with kids in a BASIS AZ school has observed there, families leave in fairly large numbers for a great variety of reasons. The AZ schools generally graduate around 1/3 of the original 5th grade group, what BASIS wants. There is absolutely weeding out of middle school kids deemed undesirable, plenty. There's also some weeding out of parents who challenge policy. BASIS spins it all differently, but that's what it amounts to. I'm told that in AZ, political push back to BASIS' weeding out methods has been growing in recent years. The franchise can no longer get away with their most egregious culling practices.

My kids' school offers a lot of tutoring and student hours for struggling students. It's not like they're actively trying to get rid of kids. They're just not willing to compromise their standards. Really, BASIS is for kids who are bright and motivated. If you think that charter schools exclusively serving the gifted/high achieving population serve an important function, then you wouldn't object to the way BASIS implements its standards. If you think that charter schools that don't serve the broader population are problematic, then you'd obviously have issues with BASIS. A lot of it comes down to what you view as the role of charters.

I'm thrilled with BASIS, because my motivated, bright, high achieving kids finally have an outlet and are learning. They were largely ignored and bored out of their minds in their regular public schools. I wish BASIS had admissions tests, so they could weed out kids who are unlikely to be successful before placing the kids in a classroom and letting them fail. Self-selection isn't working, since every parent of an average kid seems to think that the kid is gifted and belongs in essentially a gifted school.

I'll point out that Basis currently offers in-person support for struggling kids and has done so since October. No DCPS has done so.

[Anonymous]

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From what I've observed in DC, and a sibling with kids in a BASIS AZ school has observed there, families leave in fairly large numbers for a great variety of reasons. The AZ schools generally graduate around 1/3 of the original 5th grade group, what BASIS wants. There is absolutely weeding out of middle school kids deemed undesirable, plenty. There's also some weeding out of parents who challenge policy. BASIS spins it all differently, but that's what it amounts to. I'm told that in AZ, political push back to BASIS' weeding out methods has been growing in recent years. The franchise can no longer get away with their most egregious culling practices.

My kids' school offers a lot of tutoring and student hours for struggling students. It's not like they're actively trying to get rid of kids. They're just not willing to compromise their standards. Really, BASIS is for kids who are bright and motivated. If you think that charter schools exclusively serving the gifted/high achieving population serve an important function, then you wouldn't object to the way BASIS implements its standards. If you think that charter schools that don't serve the broader population are problematic, then you'd obviously have issues with BASIS. A lot of it comes down to what you view as the role of charters.

I'm thrilled with BASIS, because my motivated, bright, high achieving kids finally have an outlet and are learning. They were largely ignored and bored out of their minds in their regular public schools. I wish BASIS had admissions tests, so they could weed out kids who are unlikely to be successful before placing the kids in a classroom and letting them fail. Self-selection isn't working, since every parent of an average kid seems to think that the kid is gifted and belongs in essentially a gifted school.

Not our experience. You're painting too rosy a picture - they are actively trying to get rid of certain kids. The help is there in name only for a good many.

BASIS doesn't cater to gifted kids, or respect individual talents, interests or backgrounds. What's not working is their militant approach to every dimension of the middle school experience. They'd get MORE about of the brightest kids, a lot more, if they bothered to get to know them well and listened to their parents. Their tin ear approach and ridiculous staff turnover only gets them so far. BASIS works for a minority of students. Most families leave between 6th and 9th, including lots of very bright, hard-working kids. The program is just OK. The building sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
From what I've observed in DC, and a sibling with kids in a BASIS AZ school has observed there, families leave in fairly large numbers for a great variety of reasons. The AZ schools generally graduate around 1/3 of the original 5th grade group, what BASIS wants. There is absolutely weeding out of middle school kids deemed undesirable, plenty. There's also some weeding out of parents who challenge policy. BASIS spins it all differently, but that's what it amounts to. I'm told that in AZ, political push back to BASIS' weeding out methods has been growing in recent years. The franchise can no longer get away with their most egregious culling practices.

My kids' school offers a lot of tutoring and student hours for struggling students. It's not like they're actively trying to get rid of kids. They're just not willing to compromise their standards. Really, BASIS is for kids who are bright and motivated. If you think that charter schools exclusively serving the gifted/high achieving population serve an important function, then you wouldn't object to the way BASIS implements its standards. If you think that charter schools that don't serve the broader population are problematic, then you'd obviously have issues with BASIS. A lot of it comes down to what you view as the role of charters.

I'm thrilled with BASIS, because my motivated, bright, high achieving kids finally have an outlet and are learning. They were largely ignored and bored out of their minds in their regular public schools. I wish BASIS had admissions tests, so they could weed out kids who are unlikely to be successful before placing the kids in a classroom and letting them fail. Self-selection isn't working, since every parent of an average kid seems to think that the kid is gifted and belongs in essentially a gifted school.

I'll point out that Basis currently offers in-person support for struggling kids and has done so since October. No DCPS has done so.

Our DCPS will start with a 5-day a week in-person class for our struggling kid on Monday in a class of 11 kids. The WTU is starting to lose control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
From what I've observed in DC, and a sibling with kids in a BASIS AZ school has observed there, families leave in fairly large numbers for a great variety of reasons. The AZ schools generally graduate around 1/3 of the original 5th grade group, what BASIS wants. There is absolutely weeding out of middle school kids deemed undesirable, plenty. There's also some weeding out of parents who challenge policy. BASIS spins it all differently, but that's what it amounts to. I'm told that in AZ, political push back to BASIS' weeding out methods has been growing in recent years. The franchise can no longer get away with their most egregious culling practices.

My kids' school offers a lot of tutoring and student hours for struggling students. It's not like they're actively trying to get rid of kids. They're just not willing to compromise their standards. Really, BASIS is for kids who are bright and motivated. If you think that charter schools exclusively serving the gifted/high achieving population serve an important function, then you wouldn't object to the way BASIS implements its standards. If you think that charter schools that don't serve the broader population are problematic, then you'd obviously have issues with BASIS. A lot of it comes down to what you view as the role of charters.

I'm thrilled with BASIS, because my motivated, bright, high achieving kids finally have an outlet and are learning. They were largely ignored and bored out of their minds in their regular public schools. I wish BASIS had admissions tests, so they could weed out kids who are unlikely to be successful before placing the kids in a classroom and letting them fail. Self-selection isn't working, since every parent of an average kid seems to think that the kid is gifted and belongs in essentially a gifted school.

I'll point out that Basis currently offers in-person support for struggling kids and has done so since October. No DCPS has done so.

Our DCPS will start with a 5-day a week in-person class for our struggling kid on Monday in a class of 11 kids. The WTU is starting to lose control.

what school?
it helps those of us in other schools to know where this is happening (many of us are writing letters to our principals).

[Anonymous]

Brent Elementary, small in-person classes for ECE, K, 1st, 4th, 5th as of Mon.