We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.

There werent even kids there. It's no different than an outbreak in any office. The affected teachers will be fine.

Yes, it is like any office, but you have no idea whether the teachers will be fine. And, most offices are closed now, for a reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.

There werent even kids there. It's no different than an outbreak in any office. The affected teachers will be fine.

Yes, it is like any office, but you have no idea whether the teachers will be fine. And, most offices are closed now, for a reason.

That's because closing most offices does not cause widespread harm to children. Different stakes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.

No. This is not about personal responsibility.

DP. Of course a lot of it is. No matter what the government did, if individual people don't follow the rules, the virus would still spread.

This is such an American response. Our government's public-health response failed due to White House incompetence and illogic, and so...we blame fat people and lack of personal responsiblity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.

No. This is not about personal responsibility.

DP. Of course a lot of it is. No matter what the government did, if individual people don't follow the rules, the virus would still spread.

This is such an American response. Our government's public-health response failed due to White House incompetence and illogic, and so...we blame fat people and lack of personal responsiblity.

It is not an either or. Both are significant contributors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.

There werent even kids there. It's no different than an outbreak in any office. The affected teachers will be fine.

Yes, it is like any office, but you have no idea whether the teachers will be fine. And, most offices are closed now, for a reason.

Well since like 99.1 % of people who get COVID are fine, it's likely they will be too. Plenty of offices are open, as is retail.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.

No. This is not about personal responsibility.

DP. Of course a lot of it is. No matter what the government did, if individual people don't follow the rules, the virus would still spread.

This is such an American response. Our government's public-health response failed due to White House incompetence and illogic, and so...we blame fat people and lack of personal responsiblity.

And look, I'm not one of those people that think the CDC cooked the death numbers.

But for all those people with obesity, high-blood pressure, or other other weight related commorbidities, would likely be alive today if they had made better choices throughout their life.

I know I may get accused of victim-shaming, or fat-shaming. But this is reality. Just like reality is catching up to people that don't believe in masks, reality will be catching up to people that don't take care of their own health.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.

No. This is not about personal responsibility.

DP. Of course a lot of it is. No matter what the government did, if individual people don't follow the rules, the virus would still spread.

If Trump legit encouraged his followers to wear masks, compliance would be higher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.

There werent even kids there. It's no different than an outbreak in any office. The affected teachers will be fine.

Yes, it is like any office, but you have no idea whether the teachers will be fine. And, most offices are closed now, for a reason.

But some are open and some of them (gasp!) have recirculated air. Yet the employees continue to go in because they provide an important service.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.

No. This is not about personal responsibility.

DP. Of course a lot of it is. No matter what the government did, if individual people don't follow the rules, the virus would still spread.

If Trump legit encouraged his followers to wear masks, compliance would be higher.

100% true.

But we shouldn't use national stats, or national trends, to drive local decisions.

Mask compliance is very good in this county. People out walking their dogs, with nobody within 50 feet, still wearing masks. Our local numbers are good. Not a single death under the age of 30, in our county, at all! And no deaths under 50 in almost two months.

It's not getting much flatter than it is right now in MoCo. So if we don't open now, then when?

We shouldn't let the national storylines, and our emotional reaction to them, drive our local decision making process

[Anonymous]

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And look, I'm not one of those people that think the CDC cooked the death numbers.

But for all those people with obesity, high-blood pressure, or other other weight related commorbidities, would likely be alive today if they had made better choices throughout their life.

I know I may get accused of victim-shaming, or fat-shaming. But this is reality. Just like reality is catching up to people that don't believe in masks, reality will be catching up to people that don't take care of their own health.

No, I'm not going to accuse you of victim-shaming. I'm going to accuse you of a complete lack of understanding of how public health works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And look, I'm not one of those people that think the CDC cooked the death numbers.

But for all those people with obesity, high-blood pressure, or other other weight related comorbidities, would likely be alive today if they had made better choices throughout their life.

I know I may get accused of victim-shaming, or fat-shaming. But this is reality. Just like reality is catching up to people that don't believe in masks, reality will be catching up to people that don't take care of their own health.

No, I'm not going to accuse you of victim-shaming. I'm going to accuse you of a complete lack of understanding of how public health works.

No, I'm aware of how you want it work, and how sadly, it is working. That we all sacrifice disproportionately to protect the vulnerable.

My point is that many of the vulnerable have made their own bed. And I'm more interested in personal accountability then sacrificing the health and well-being of my loved ones to protect someone who clearly doesn't care about the their own health and wellbeing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.

No. This is not about personal responsibility.

DP. Of course a lot of it is. No matter what the government did, if individual people don't follow the rules, the virus would still spread.

If Trump legit encouraged his followers to wear masks, compliance would be higher.

100% true.

But we shouldn't use national stats, or national trends, to drive local decisions.

Mask compliance is very good in this county. People out walking their dogs, with nobody within 50 feet, still wearing masks. Our local numbers are good. Not a single death under the age of 30, in our county, at all! And no deaths under 50 in almost two months.

It's not getting much flatter than it is right now in MoCo. So if we don't open now, then when?

We shouldn't let the national storylines, and our emotional reaction to them, drive our local decision making process

10-35 new cases (total) per day. The current MoCo 3-day average is 89. So, a long way to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.

No. This is not about personal responsibility.

DP. Of course a lot of it is. No matter what the government did, if individual people don't follow the rules, the virus would still spread.

If Trump legit encouraged his followers to wear masks, compliance would be higher.

100% true.

But we shouldn't use national stats, or national trends, to drive local decisions.

Mask compliance is very good in this county. People out walking their dogs, with nobody within 50 feet, still wearing masks. Our local numbers are good. Not a single death under the age of 30, in our county, at all! And no deaths under 50 in almost two months.

It's not getting much flatter than it is right now in MoCo. So if we don't open now, then when?

We shouldn't let the national storylines, and our emotional reaction to them, drive our local decision making process

10-35 new cases (total) per day. The current MoCo 3-day average is 89. So, a long way to go.

I think people's objections to the 10-35 metric is that its unattainable. Even with a vaccine, given its limited supply, objections or concerns over the approval process, ineffectiveness for certain cohorts (ie obese people. people are forgetting that it may not work on heavy people), and the fact that children will not be approved to take, we are unlikely to get to 10-35 cases per day for YEARS.

So why put out an unattainable goal? Because in reality, they have no plan to re-open, and its easier to rely on a missed metric to explain continued DL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.

No. This is not about personal responsibility.

DP. Of course a lot of it is. No matter what the government did, if individual people don't follow the rules, the virus would still spread.

If Trump legit encouraged his followers to wear masks, compliance would be higher.

100% true.

But we shouldn't use national stats, or national trends, to drive local decisions.

Mask compliance is very good in this county. People out walking their dogs, with nobody within 50 feet, still wearing masks. Our local numbers are good. Not a single death under the age of 30, in our county, at all! And no deaths under 50 in almost two months.

It's not getting much flatter than it is right now in MoCo. So if we don't open now, then when?

We shouldn't let the national storylines, and our emotional reaction to them, drive our local decision making process

10-35 new cases (total) per day. The current MoCo 3-day average is 89. So, a long way to go.

10-35 new cases per day is the goal post to signal moving the goal posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire country mismanaged Covid by failing to take personal responsibility for our actions. You can still wear a mask even if the government does not tell you to do it.

Also, a huge factor in Covid deaths is obesity. Over 40% of American adults are obese! The government can not control that risk.

No. This is not about personal responsibility.

DP. Of course a lot of it is. No matter what the government did, if individual people don't follow the rules, the virus would still spread.

If Trump legit encouraged his followers to wear masks, compliance would be higher.

100% true.

But we shouldn't use national stats, or national trends, to drive local decisions.

Mask compliance is very good in this county. People out walking their dogs, with nobody within 50 feet, still wearing masks. Our local numbers are good. Not a single death under the age of 30, in our county, at all! And no deaths under 50 in almost two months.

It's not getting much flatter than it is right now in MoCo. So if we don't open now, then when?

We shouldn't let the national storylines, and our emotional reaction to them, drive our local decision making process

10-35 new cases (total) per day. The current MoCo 3-day average is 89. So, a long way to go.

I think people's objections to the 10-35 metric is that its unattainable. Even with a vaccine, given its limited supply, objections or concerns over the approval process, ineffectiveness for certain cohorts (ie obese people. people are forgetting that it may not work on heavy people), and the fact that children will not be approved to take, we are unlikely to get to 10-35 cases per day for YEARS.

So why put out an unattainable goal? Because in reality, they have no plan to re-open, and its easier to rely on a missed metric to explain continued DL

To play devils advocate, what is the incentive for MCPS to put out a reopening plan given that what you said is true- i.e., it could be years before the county meets those numbers? I 100% agree that Elrich/Gayles are putting a goal out there that does not make sense, but MCPS surely recognizes this as well and as such is in no hurry to come up with a plan.