FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The saddest thing about all this is the breaking of the parent-teacher bond for some. I honestly never thought about my kids teachers too much except to be grateful and wanting to see if I could support things in some way at home. We’ve had good teachers, bad teachers, and middling teachers and I still considered it a partnership. Talking to friends right now, some are pissed at teachers right now. I also no longer think of teachers right now as being on the same team with respect to my my kids needs and we’ll-being. I hope things settle down. This animosity is good for no-one.

+1. It isn’t. But I used to believe parents teachers and parents both used to want to educate healthy happy kids. Now, their interests have diverged. From a parent perspective, I’ve come to realize teachers never viewed me as a real partner in supporting my kids education. And I have been shocked that teachers don’t want to be considered essential employees. It s hard to see it ever being them same again . It’s hard to imagine ever working with an FCPS teacher to solve an issue— especially now that I see how many teachers think that parents who are struggling with DL are lazy, bad parents, not parenting, awful people, hurting their kids— on teach said a@@holes. And now that I see teachers washing their hands of the idea they need to work to make DL a success and are saying they’ll punch in and meet meet contract hours, and all the problems with poor.y thought out DL rest on parents. I guess I had thought both parents and teachers would push back if DL scheduling wasn’t working. Now I realize it’s just parents.

You can’t return from that. Only go forward. We’ll see what school looks like in 3-54 years, but their is no chance that among affluent involved parents it looks like in did a year ago. I know I will be pushing and voting for vouchers, charter schools, school choice and the ability to take the money FCPS spends on my kid and look for a private or charter school that is more in line with my idea of collaboration between families and the schools, working with teachers for them to meet kids where they are at and me to support schools work at homes. And using developmentally appropriate strategies— ie not 6-7 hours of DL in early ES.

I also agree with everyone who points out that the recession is going to kill the 2021-22 budget. And I agree with all the people who say that we should be terminating pensions. Obviously pay out what we owe up to now. But, quit accruing additional liabilities. It would free up a ton of money when we most need it. And I don’t understand why non-essential employees would be getting pensions to being with.

We should also eliminate tenure and make firing dead weight easier. And we all know some teachers are dead weight.

Remember that half of the teachers chose hybrid. Also remember that elementary school kids (the subject of this thread) will be phasing in to the building in the second quarter.

So I feel the same ire and grief but I'm also aware that it's not rational.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The saddest thing about all this is the breaking of the parent-teacher bond for some. I honestly never thought about my kids teachers too much except to be grateful and wanting to see if I could support things in some way at home. We’ve had good teachers, bad teachers, and middling teachers and I still considered it a partnership. Talking to friends right now, some are pissed at teachers right now. I also no longer think of teachers right now as being on the same team with respect to my my kids needs and we’ll-being. I hope things settle down. This animosity is good for no-one.

+1. It isn’t. But I used to believe parents teachers and parents both used to want to educate healthy happy kids. Now, their interests have diverged. From a parent perspective, I’ve come to realize teachers never viewed me as a real partner in supporting my kids education. And I have been shocked that teachers don’t want to be considered essential employees. It s hard to see it ever being them same again . It’s hard to imagine ever working with an FCPS teacher to solve an issue— especially now that I see how many teachers think that parents who are struggling with DL are lazy, bad parents, not parenting, awful people, hurting their kids— on teach said a@@holes. And now that I see teachers washing their hands of the idea they need to work to make DL a success and are saying they’ll punch in and meet meet contract hours, and all the problems with poor.y thought out DL rest on parents. I guess I had thought both parents and teachers would push back if DL scheduling wasn’t working. Now I realize it’s just parents.

You can’t return from that. Only go forward. We’ll see what school looks like in 3-54 years, but their is no chance that among affluent involved parents it looks like in did a year ago. I know I will be pushing and voting for vouchers, charter schools, school choice and the ability to take the money FCPS spends on my kid and look for a private or charter school that is more in line with my idea of collaboration between families and the schools, working with teachers for them to meet kids where they are at and me to support schools work at homes. And using developmentally appropriate strategies— ie not 6-7 hours of DL in early ES.

I also agree with everyone who points out that the recession is going to kill the 2021-22 budget. And I agree with all the people who say that we should be terminating pensions. Obviously pay out what we owe up to now. But, quit accruing additional liabilities. It would free up a ton of money when we most need it. And I don’t understand why non-essential employees would be getting pensions to being with.

We should also eliminate tenure and make firing dead weight easier. And we all know some teachers are dead weight.

Remember that half of the teachers chose hybrid. Also remember that elementary school kids (the subject of this thread) will be phasing in to the building in the second quarter.

So I feel the same ire and grief but I'm also aware that it's not rational.

Are you counting on that happening?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The saddest thing about all this is the breaking of the parent-teacher bond for some. I honestly never thought about my kids teachers too much except to be grateful and wanting to see if I could support things in some way at home. We’ve had good teachers, bad teachers, and middling teachers and I still considered it a partnership. Talking to friends right now, some are pissed at teachers right now. I also no longer think of teachers right now as being on the same team with respect to my my kids needs and we’ll-being. I hope things settle down. This animosity is good for no-one.

+1. It isn’t. But I used to believe parents teachers and parents both used to want to educate healthy happy kids. Now, their interests have diverged. From a parent perspective, I’ve come to realize teachers never viewed me as a real partner in supporting my kids education. And I have been shocked that teachers don’t want to be considered essential employees. It s hard to see it ever being them same again . It’s hard to imagine ever working with an FCPS teacher to solve an issue— especially now that I see how many teachers think that parents who are struggling with DL are lazy, bad parents, not parenting, awful people, hurting their kids— on teach said a@@holes. And now that I see teachers washing their hands of the idea they need to work to make DL a success and are saying they’ll punch in and meet meet contract hours, and all the problems with poor.y thought out DL rest on parents. I guess I had thought both parents and teachers would push back if DL scheduling wasn’t working. Now I realize it’s just parents.

You can’t return from that. Only go forward. We’ll see what school looks like in 3-54 years, but their is no chance that among affluent involved parents it looks like in did a year ago. I know I will be pushing and voting for vouchers, charter schools, school choice and the ability to take the money FCPS spends on my kid and look for a private or charter school that is more in line with my idea of collaboration between families and the schools, working with teachers for them to meet kids where they are at and me to support schools work at homes. And using developmentally appropriate strategies— ie not 6-7 hours of DL in early ES.

I also agree with everyone who points out that the recession is going to kill the 2021-22 budget. And I agree with all the people who say that we should be terminating pensions. Obviously pay out what we owe up to now. But, quit accruing additional liabilities. It would free up a ton of money when we most need it. And I don’t understand why non-essential employees would be getting pensions to being with.

We should also eliminate tenure and make firing dead weight easier. And we all know some teachers are dead weight.

Remember that half of the teachers chose hybrid. Also remember that elementary school kids (the subject of this thread) will be phasing in to the building in the second quarter.

So I feel the same ire and grief but I'm also aware that it's not rational.

We have no clue when or if kids will begin to phase in. They won’t consider it until Q2. But heading into flu season, it seems unlikely the COvID number are better than now.

As for hybrid teacher, the DL Nazis make the choice for them and they didn’t speak up. And now teachers on one here trashing parents who think the system is unworkable. Hard to feel good about any teacher. Because, so I really know?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The saddest thing about all this is the breaking of the parent-teacher bond for some. I honestly never thought about my kids teachers too much except to be grateful and wanting to see if I could support things in some way at home. We’ve had good teachers, bad teachers, and middling teachers and I still considered it a partnership. Talking to friends right now, some are pissed at teachers right now. I also no longer think of teachers right now as being on the same team with respect to my my kids needs and we’ll-being. I hope things settle down. This animosity is good for no-one.

+1. It isn’t. But I used to believe parents teachers and parents both used to want to educate healthy happy kids. Now, their interests have diverged. From a parent perspective, I’ve come to realize teachers never viewed me as a real partner in supporting my kids education. And I have been shocked that teachers don’t want to be considered essential employees. It s hard to see it ever being them same again . It’s hard to imagine ever working with an FCPS teacher to solve an issue— especially now that I see how many teachers think that parents who are struggling with DL are lazy, bad parents, not parenting, awful people, hurting their kids— on teach said a@@holes. And now that I see teachers washing their hands of the idea they need to work to make DL a success and are saying they’ll punch in and meet meet contract hours, and all the problems with poor.y thought out DL rest on parents. I guess I had thought both parents and teachers would push back if DL scheduling wasn’t working. Now I realize it’s just parents.

You can’t return from that. Only go forward. We’ll see what school looks like in 3-54 years, but their is no chance that among affluent involved parents it looks like in did a year ago. I know I will be pushing and voting for vouchers, charter schools, school choice and the ability to take the money FCPS spends on my kid and look for a private or charter school that is more in line with my idea of collaboration between families and the schools, working with teachers for them to meet kids where they are at and me to support schools work at homes. And using developmentally appropriate strategies— ie not 6-7 hours of DL in early ES.

I also agree with everyone who points out that the recession is going to kill the 2021-22 budget. And I agree with all the people who say that we should be terminating pensions. Obviously pay out what we owe up to now. But, quit accruing additional liabilities. It would free up a ton of money when we most need it. And I don’t understand why non-essential employees would be getting pensions to being with.

We should also eliminate tenure and make firing dead weight easier. And we all know some teachers are dead weight.

Remember that half of the teachers chose hybrid. Also remember that elementary school kids (the subject of this thread) will be phasing in to the building in the second quarter.

So I feel the same ire and grief but I'm also aware that it's not rational.

Why would teachers push back. They were slammed in the spring because parents were pissed off at the schedule set by the school system and blamed them. If I were a teacher, I wouldn’t be saying anything for fear of getting my head blown off. They are literally damned if they do and damned if they don’t. If they pushed back, parents would complain they didn’t want to work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The saddest thing about all this is the breaking of the parent-teacher bond for some. I honestly never thought about my kids teachers too much except to be grateful and wanting to see if I could support things in some way at home. We’ve had good teachers, bad teachers, and middling teachers and I still considered it a partnership. Talking to friends right now, some are pissed at teachers right now. I also no longer think of teachers right now as being on the same team with respect to my my kids needs and we’ll-being. I hope things settle down. This animosity is good for no-one.

+1. It isn’t. But I used to believe parents teachers and parents both used to want to educate healthy happy kids. Now, their interests have diverged. From a parent perspective, I’ve come to realize teachers never viewed me as a real partner in supporting my kids education. And I have been shocked that teachers don’t want to be considered essential employees. It s hard to see it ever being them same again . It’s hard to imagine ever working with an FCPS teacher to solve an issue— especially now that I see how many teachers think that parents who are struggling with DL are lazy, bad parents, not parenting, awful people, hurting their kids— on teach said a@@holes. And now that I see teachers washing their hands of the idea they need to work to make DL a success and are saying they’ll punch in and meet meet contract hours, and all the problems with poor.y thought out DL rest on parents. I guess I had thought both parents and teachers would push back if DL scheduling wasn’t working. Now I realize it’s just parents.

You can’t return from that. Only go forward. We’ll see what school looks like in 3-54 years, but their is no chance that among affluent involved parents it looks like in did a year ago. I know I will be pushing and voting for vouchers, charter schools, school choice and the ability to take the money FCPS spends on my kid and look for a private or charter school that is more in line with my idea of collaboration between families and the schools, working with teachers for them to meet kids where they are at and me to support schools work at homes. And using developmentally appropriate strategies— ie not 6-7 hours of DL in early ES.

I also agree with everyone who points out that the recession is going to kill the 2021-22 budget. And I agree with all the people who say that we should be terminating pensions. Obviously pay out what we owe up to now. But, quit accruing additional liabilities. It would free up a ton of money when we most need it. And I don’t understand why non-essential employees would be getting pensions to being with.

We should also eliminate tenure and make firing dead weight easier. And we all know some teachers are dead weight.

Remember that half of the teachers chose hybrid. Also remember that elementary school kids (the subject of this thread) will be phasing in to the building in the second quarter.

So I feel the same ire and grief but I'm also aware that it's not rational.

We have no clue when or if kids will begin to phase in. They won’t consider it until Q2. But heading into flu season, it seems unlikely the COvID number are better than now.

As for hybrid teacher, the DL Nazis make the choice for them and they didn’t speak up. And now teachers on one here trashing parents who think the system is unworkable. Hard to feel good about any teacher. Because, so I really know?

Parents have been trashing teachers for years, so let’s not get our panties in a twist. If you hate teachers so much, homeschool and don’t deal with them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The saddest thing about all this is the breaking of the parent-teacher bond for some. I honestly never thought about my kids teachers too much except to be grateful and wanting to see if I could support things in some way at home. We’ve had good teachers, bad teachers, and middling teachers and I still considered it a partnership. Talking to friends right now, some are pissed at teachers right now. I also no longer think of teachers right now as being on the same team with respect to my my kids needs and we’ll-being. I hope things settle down. This animosity is good for no-one.

+1. It isn’t. But I used to believe parents teachers and parents both used to want to educate healthy happy kids. Now, their interests have diverged. From a parent perspective, I’ve come to realize teachers never viewed me as a real partner in supporting my kids education. And I have been shocked that teachers don’t want to be considered essential employees. It s hard to see it ever being them same again . It’s hard to imagine ever working with an FCPS teacher to solve an issue— especially now that I see how many teachers think that parents who are struggling with DL are lazy, bad parents, not parenting, awful people, hurting their kids— on teach said a@@holes. And now that I see teachers washing their hands of the idea they need to work to make DL a success and are saying they’ll punch in and meet meet contract hours, and all the problems with poor.y thought out DL rest on parents. I guess I had thought both parents and teachers would push back if DL scheduling wasn’t working. Now I realize it’s just parents.

You can’t return from that. Only go forward. We’ll see what school looks like in 3-54 years, but their is no chance that among affluent involved parents it looks like in did a year ago. I know I will be pushing and voting for vouchers, charter schools, school choice and the ability to take the money FCPS spends on my kid and look for a private or charter school that is more in line with my idea of collaboration between families and the schools, working with teachers for them to meet kids where they are at and me to support schools work at homes. And using developmentally appropriate strategies— ie not 6-7 hours of DL in early ES.

I also agree with everyone who points out that the recession is going to kill the 2021-22 budget. And I agree with all the people who say that we should be terminating pensions. Obviously pay out what we owe up to now. But, quit accruing additional liabilities. It would free up a ton of money when we most need it. And I don’t understand why non-essential employees would be getting pensions to being with.

We should also eliminate tenure and make firing dead weight easier. And we all know some teachers are dead weight.

Remember that half of the teachers chose hybrid. Also remember that elementary school kids (the subject of this thread) will be phasing in to the building in the second quarter.

So I feel the same ire and grief but I'm also aware that it's not rational.

We have no clue when or if kids will begin to phase in. They won’t consider it until Q2. But heading into flu season, it seems unlikely the COvID number are better than now.

As for hybrid teacher, the DL Nazis make the choice for them and they didn’t speak up. And now teachers on one here trashing parents who think the system is unworkable. Hard to feel good about any teacher. Because, so I really know?

I’m a parent, and I think all the people trying to dismantle DL is ridiculous. We wanted hybrid, and we didn’t get it. It is what it is. I’m not going to actively find things to complain about. School hasn’t even started yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The question says it all.

And it says a lot about you, OP.

What does it say about me?

NP here. I personally get the OP's view. Those are the types of filler in school that aren't always necessary (sometimes they may be). But, in a DL situation where the kids are online all day, this type of thing is not necessary. So, if a parent allows the kid(s) to skip, do the teachers care? And if so, why (other than if they have to be there so do you, answer)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

Because we do not believe this is “socialization” perhaps?

“If my kid can’t socialize in person he will ONLY DO MATH.”

Make it make sense.

DP. It doesn’t. But then it does explain why they were so desperate for two days a week of “socialization” before. Morning meeting was absolutely the best part of distance learning for young kids. Maybe these parents don’t know what morning meeting is? It’s basically show and share. Kids love it. A bright start to an otherwise dismal day!

This is a broad generalization. My 8 year old did not like morning meeting, he always said pass if his name was called. Some like it, some don’t. My DS started bringing a book to his DL session and reading under the table because DL is just not engaging enough for most kids. I am a physician and work outside the home 4 days per week. On the day I was home, my DC couldn’t wait for the 1 hour session to end. For the upcoming year, it won’t be possible to have a parent monitor him most days. I imagine there will be times he forgets to log in on time in the morning or doesn’t log back in on time during a break. I imagine a lot of reading under the table or playing with toys. I’m not going to stress about it, too many other things to stress about at this point. I will do math and reading with him at night and on the weekends, the rest is what it is. Each parent is making the decisions they feel are best for their children. No great options, just lots of not so good ones.

Honestly, everyone needs to remember that none of this is crafted based on what is best for your child. My kid loved DL and had a fantastic teacher. He’s weirdly excited to get to do “computer school,” because he’s normally not allowed screen time. This feels like a weird treat for him. That doesn’t mean that every kid loves it. Every parent has crappy choices to make here, and we just have to do the best we can. If you are worried about attendance etc. talk to the principal or pull your kid out of FCPS.

This was my kid too! Rising 5th now. But my first grader HATED it. She is begging me to homeschool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

But you can't have that either way at school right now, so I don't understand why this is worse than nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

But you can't have that either way at school right now, so I don't understand why this is worse than nothing.

Because it is wasting attention/energy cycles on absolute drivel that doesn't actually build community. It serves no useful purpose for the student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what is so frustrating. Teachers are certainly the experts on pedagogy. But those of us who are parents also know children, specifically our own. When you say something that sounds unbelievable - zoom morning meeting is essential to your kids success - it doesn’t pass the sniff test. I agree that morning meeting is valuable community building time in person. But those of us who have group family zoom sessions and watch out kids wander off even though they live their grandparents and cousins know this is just nonsense.

Honestly, then don’t do it. Don’t ask will the teacher care. It doesn’t matter. You’ve decided you don’t value this and won’t make your kid do it. That’s your choice. Why come here for approval then?

Unless it was the OP, this poster isn't asking for approval. They're just pointing out that the teacher's response lacked any degree of credibility.

It doesn’t lack credibility because it doesn’t apply to her one kid. Some kids hate zoom and will walk off. Most kids will do that when it’s their boring family on zoom. A teacher is trained to facilitate conversation and dialogue among the kids on different topics to build community. Will some kids still be bored? Yes. does that mean it doesn’t have value or it won’t be meaningful for some kids, no.

+1 That red object they have to find will be their favorite stuffed animal or souvenir or Pokemon card, which are conversation starters and ways for the kids to bond. The teacher is not saying virtual morning meeting is better than everything that happens at in-person school, but given DL is what we've got for now, there are ways s/he can promote class bonding and getting to know students to the best of their ability. And they can't take time to do that during math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

But you can't have that either way at school right now, so I don't understand why this is worse than nothing.

My kid cried and ran away from DL. DL is worse than nothing for him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

News Flash: You weren't going to get that with hybrid either. What you would have gotten is six hours of kids in desks, lunch at their seats, masks on, recess with no playground, equipment, etc. No small groups, lunch bunches, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that many families who wanted socialization as the main reason for choosing hybrid are now saying the parts of DL that offer that are a waste of time. To a parent those times may seem unimportant but it’s really some of the kids favorite part of the day. Why would you deny them time to talk with their classmates?

For the love of God, in person socialization is what we want. Not this dumb zoom crap! That’s not real!

News Flash: You weren't going to get that with hybrid either. What you would have gotten is six hours of kids in desks, lunch at their seats, masks on, recess with no playground, equipment, etc. No small groups, lunch bunches, etc.

We know that. If you don't want that, then you don't have to choose it (for now).

Kids need social interaction. Whether you agree or not.