Stop singing these racist minstrel songs to your children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we are talking about music and serious movements to change society for the better, then I wonder whatever happened to "MeToo"?

What about RECENT songs and artists still getting royalties. That means, they are still making money off! Where is the ongoing outrage over this?

"Slut, you think I won't choke no whore / Til the vocal cords don't work in her throat no more?!" - Eminem

"Bitches ain't sh*t but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the d*ck." - Snoop Dogg

"My little sister's birthday / She'll remember me / For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity." - Bizarre

I know it’s hard, but do try to stay on topic, or feel free to start your own thread on your subject. THIS thread is about racist minstrel songs.

That demonstrates what a narrow-minded person you are since you can't see the connection. It is topical, in fact MORE topical, since these misogynistic songs and lyrics are still being played, sold, PROFITED ON and listened to including children who overhear it. Including young AA girls and women. So that's OK with you?

Snoop Dogg Annual Income Figures:
Forbes September 2017: $16.5 million
Forbes September 2016: $12.5 million
Forbes September 2014: $10 million
Forbes September 2012: $8.5 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we are talking about music and serious movements to change society for the better, then I wonder whatever happened to "MeToo"?

What about RECENT songs and artists still getting royalties. That means, they are still making money off! Where is the ongoing outrage over this?

"Slut, you think I won't choke no whore / Til the vocal cords don't work in her throat no more?!" - Eminem

"Bitches ain't sh*t but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the d*ck." - Snoop Dogg

"My little sister's birthday / She'll remember me / For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity." - Bizarre

I know it’s hard, but do try to stay on topic, or feel free to start your own thread on your subject. THIS thread is about racist minstrel songs.

That demonstrates what a narrow-minded person you are since you can't see the connection. It is topical, in fact MORE topical, since these misogynistic songs and lyrics are still being played, sold, PROFITED ON and listened to including children who overhear it. Including young AA girls and women. So that's OK with you?

Snoop Dogg Annual Income Figures:
Forbes September 2017: $16.5 million
Forbes September 2016: $12.5 million
Forbes September 2014: $10 million
Forbes September 2012: $8.5 million

Eminem Annual Income Figures:
Forbes Sept 2019: $50 million
Forbes 2018: $23 million
Forbes Sep 2016: $11 million
Forbes June 2015: $31 million
Forbes September 2014: $18 million
Forbes September 2012: $15 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If OP is white, boy I'd be ticked off if I were black, for focusing on something so stupid and minute.

If OP is black, again, you're going to turn people away from the important stuff by picking apart something 99% of any color people have no idea is even a thing.

+1,

+ who the hell is singing these songs, anyway? I had to look them all up and only recognized a couple.

I was also wondering who sings these songs regularly. “I’ve Benen Working on the Railroad” and the like aren’t songs I think of, let alone sing frequently.

100% I feel like I;m 40 and barely remember this. Definitely don't sing them to my kids. The generations of folks who remember these as primary entertainment are much much older

[Anonymous]

OP, perhaps you'd like to comment on the following:

The author of the article in your link is Katya Ermolaeva, who proudly claims that AS A CHILD her favorite opera was "The Magic Flute" by Mozart.

From her own bio: "Katya’s pivotal early childhood musical experience was watching “The Magic Flute” on PBS with her mom at age four. "

This opera has long been known to be sexist AND RACIST.

"Described as a Moor, the character of Monostatos in Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart’s opera, The Magic Flute (1791) represents an amalgam of racist stereotypes surrounding Blackness in the late eighteenth century.

Being Black, Monostatos, the overseer of Sarastro’s temple, is not to be trusted and has dark and evil tendencies. He appears in most productions as grotesque, dirty, and buffoon-like, incapable of being truly loved by another. His name alone – Greek for “standing alone” – implies that he is an outsider or an outcast.

He desires the heroine of the opera, Pamina, who Mozart portrays as beautiful, pure, and white, but his pathetic love for her cannot be requited."

(English Translation of Lyrics)

Everyone feels the joys of love,
Bill and coo, flirt, snuggle, and kiss,
And I am supposed to avoid love,
Because a Black is ugly,
Because a Black is ugly.
Have I, then, been given no heart?
I am also fond of girls,
I am also fond of girls,
Always to live without a woman
Would truly be the blaze of hell,
Would truly be the blaze of hell,
So, therefore I want, because I am alive,
to bill and coo, kiss, be tender.
Dear, good moon, forgive me,
A White took possession of me,
A White took possession of me,
White is beautiful! I must kiss her;
Moon, hide yourself from this!
Should it vex you too much,
Oh, then close your eyes!
Oh, then close your eyes!
Oh, then close your eyes!

https://blackcentraleurope.com/sources/1750-1850/the-character-monostatos-in-mozarts-opera-the-magic-flute-1791/

Care to comment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If OP is white, boy I'd be ticked off if I were black, for focusing on something so stupid and minute.

If OP is black, again, you're going to turn people away from the important stuff by picking apart something 99% of any color people have no idea is even a thing.

+1,

+ who the hell is singing these songs, anyway? I had to look them all up and only recognized a couple.

I was also wondering who sings these songs regularly. “I’ve Benen Working on the Railroad” and the like aren’t songs I think of, let alone sing frequently.

Same here. Maybe my kids heard them at school but I've always found kids' songs to be sort of annoying so at home we listen to real songs and sing that.

Unless it’s changed since my teen was a toddler, several of these songs are in the Music Together curriculum.

It has changed. Music Together Has removed these songs and has established a song advisory board to review content. I teach Music Together classes.

That is NOT good to hear.

This is how I feel. No toddler is going to become a racist by listening to Oh Susannah! Or I've been working on the railroad. Good grief people! Lyrics have been changed and the music is good!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If OP is white, boy I'd be ticked off if I were black, for focusing on something so stupid and minute.

If OP is black, again, you're going to turn people away from the important stuff by picking apart something 99% of any color people have no idea is even a thing.

+1,

+ who the hell is singing these songs, anyway? I had to look them all up and only recognized a couple.

I was also wondering who sings these songs regularly. “I’ve Benen Working on the Railroad” and the like aren’t songs I think of, let alone sing frequently.

Same here. Maybe my kids heard them at school but I've always found kids' songs to be sort of annoying so at home we listen to real songs and sing that.

Unless it’s changed since my teen was a toddler, several of these songs are in the Music Together curriculum.

It has changed. Music Together Has removed these songs and has established a song advisory board to review content. I teach Music Together classes.

That is NOT good to hear.

This is how I feel. No toddler is going to become a racist by listening to Oh Susannah! Or I've been working on the railroad. Good grief people! Lyrics have been changed and the music is good!

I find it quite hypocritical that the author of this piece is objecting to "Oh Susannah" etc. yet as a CHILD she fell in love with a racist and misogynistic opera. And still admires it today!

[Anonymous]

Crickets from OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we are talking about music and serious movements to change society for the better, then I wonder whatever happened to "MeToo"?

What about RECENT songs and artists still getting royalties. That means, they are still making money off! Where is the ongoing outrage over this?

"Slut, you think I won't choke no whore / Til the vocal cords don't work in her throat no more?!" - Eminem

"Bitches ain't sh*t but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the d*ck." - Snoop Dogg

"My little sister's birthday / She'll remember me / For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity." - Bizarre

Are you claiming rap music should be cancelled?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we are talking about music and serious movements to change society for the better, then I wonder whatever happened to "MeToo"?

What about RECENT songs and artists still getting royalties. That means, they are still making money off! Where is the ongoing outrage over this?

"Slut, you think I won't choke no whore / Til the vocal cords don't work in her throat no more?!" - Eminem

"Bitches ain't sh*t but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the d*ck." - Snoop Dogg

"My little sister's birthday / She'll remember me / For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity." - Bizarre

Are you claiming rap music should be cancelled?

Rap music is horrible to women, but artists can create music they want, and it’s up to consumers to listen or not. Same goes for folksy songs that you may deem racist.

[Anonymous]

She also claims that "young Black males are up to 13 times more likely to die from homicide than non-Hispanic White males" is a data point that bolsters her argument. White people are not doing that killing. Bad arguments will not help the cause and just make people ignore and dismiss you.

[Anonymous]

Even as a child I thought Baa Baa Black Sheep was cray cray.

[Anonymous]

As an adult, I’ve been taking guitar lessons. As we worked our way through multiple method books, I had multiple “nope” moment. Kumbaya, Dixie... they’re still in there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Even as a child I thought Baa Baa Black Sheep was cray cray.

That is not racist though.

[Anonymous]

It startles me to read the comments and realize that when many people have commented about the possible impact of the songs and lyrics on “kids”, they either don’t know or don’t care that some of the young kids listening and singing and in some cases working for a grade in music class will be black. It really does matter - at least to some of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we are talking about music and serious movements to change society for the better, then I wonder whatever happened to "MeToo"?

What about RECENT songs and artists still getting royalties. That means, they are still making money off! Where is the ongoing outrage over this?

"Slut, you think I won't choke no whore / Til the vocal cords don't work in her throat no more?!" - Eminem

"Bitches ain't sh*t but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the d*ck." - Snoop Dogg

"My little sister's birthday / She'll remember me / For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity." - Bizarre

Are you claiming rap music should be cancelled?

Rap music is horrible to women, but artists can create music they want, and it’s up to consumers to listen or not. Same goes for folksy songs that you may deem racist.

Eminem's mysogenistic and violent lyrics can, and should be called out.

We can't let him continue to profit off this vile bigotry