WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT

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Anonymous wrote:No one should get extra time. It is just a scam for the wealthy to push their kids above the others.

In real life you don't get extra time.

at work, I give extra time all the time.

Good luck telling the DC Circuit that you need extra time for your brief because your associate has a 509 and is used to getting extra time.

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Anonymous wrote:No one should get extra time. It is just a scam for the wealthy to push their kids above the others.

In real life you don't get extra time.

at work, I give extra time all the time.

Where do you work? I don't know many professions where you just get extra time. I would be curious

I’m a lawyer and we get extensions all the time. And there are almost no “quick you only have 3 hours but certainly not 4.5 hours!” drills.

If so many kids need more time, just extend the amount of time the rest takes. It should still be curved to the same distribution.

You must practice a very different type of law than I do. I've never asked for an extension for a brief in my life, and I have lots of "we need this is 3 hours" drills.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one should get extra time. It is just a scam for the wealthy to push their kids above the others.

In real life you don't get extra time.

at work, I give extra time all the time.

Good luck telling the DC Circuit that you need extra time for your brief because your associate has a 509 and is used to getting extra time.

*504

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one should get extra time. It is just a scam for the wealthy to push their kids above the others.

In real life you don't get extra time.

at work, I give extra time all the time.

Agree!

You know what I don't do at work? Take timed tests. I do my job. Yes, I have deadlines but I am qualified for my job and they are not artificial situations like the SAT and ACT.

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Anonymous wrote:No one should get extra time. It is just a scam for the wealthy to push their kids above the others.

In real life you don't get extra time.

at work, I give extra time all the time.

Where do you work? I don't know many professions where you just get extra time. I would be curious

I work for a big contracting firm doing IT project management... time, scope, cost...

time is often extended...

I would rather wait for the best engineer to give me his design then have somebody who I know has the same credentials but is not as good give me his. Of course the best engineers are a little ADHD, maybe Aspie and often OCD.

Often I have to say "good enough" and deal with them being not so happy because it is not perfect.. we don't waterfall we are agile so ...

I don't' care... I want the best design.

But there is value to being good AND fast. A test measures both -- not only whether you've acquired the knowledge, but whether you can work a problem/draft an answer quickly. However, if some are being given more time, and no one knows that, then a significant portion of the value of the value of the test is negated. I guess I wouldn't mind the extra time if it were noted on the results. That allows the schools (and employers) to make a decision re: whether it matters to them. Some might not care. For others, it could be a deal killer.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution is to not give extra time period to any student.

Have students with challenges, write an essay how they are challenged and have schools conduct in-person interviews/assessments to verify the challenges and then they can take that into account when factoring in test scores.

But this processes should happen after the test is taken in normal conditions.

Do we lower the hoop in the nba to accommodate people who are vertically challenged?

This has to be the most stupid suggestion I've ever seen regarding the issue. You have no clue about children with learning disabilities. You aren't intelligent enough to realize how ridiculous your comparison of short nba players to students with learning disabilities is.

Parent of child with ADHD, dyslexia nd dysgraphia here. Totally agree. If any of these folks had a child with a LD (or three), they might get it. My child, with her extra time 27th percentile score is no threat to your Ivy wannabe. Yes, there are kids who abuse it. So maybe the screening should be tougher. My kid has had documented accommodations since 4th grade (which was actually way too late). if a kid has no history of accommodations, maybe they shouldn't get extra time. For example, my other child has "stealth dyslexia" diagnosed junior year in HS. I totally agree that child does not need (and she did not seek) accommodations. She got a 34 on the ACT without them. Is she capable fo a 36 with accommodations? Sure, but she has gotten along without accommodations thus far, so I feel it would be unfair to request them now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one should get extra time. It is just a scam for the wealthy to push their kids above the others.

In real life you don't get extra time.

at work, I give extra time all the time.

Agree!

You know what I don't do at work? Take timed tests. I do my job. Yes, I have deadlines but I am qualified for my job and they are not artificial situations like the SAT and ACT.

So, you don't believe that people who can do a greater quantity of excellent work in a given period of time are not worth more as employees? I can tell that a lot of you work for the government or non-profits.

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This, unfortunately, isn't a recent phenomenon. Just Google Blair Hornstine. More people are just catching on.

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Anonymous wrote:College Board approves 94% of requests??? So there is no real investigation? Who ever said it was difficult to get extra time accommodation is full of hog wash. A 94% approval rate is not an indication that it is difficult to get approval.

College board requires proof of diagnosis for accomodations. Once you have a qualified diagnosis, who is the College Board to say that the kid's diagnosis isn't valid? Getting an evaluation to get a diagnosis is an $$$ multiday process. All of you people implying that parents and kids are faking should count your lucky stars that your kid doesn't have a learning disability or other learning challenges.

So you are saying every person getting extra time truly has a learning disability that requires another hour of time to complete the test?

You have no evidence to doubt that they have a "true learning disability". A qualified medical professional has made the diagnosis according to the criteria of their profession and recommended accommodations as appropriate. In most cases the student has accommodations documented at their school in the form of a 504 or IEP, evidence that the school finds the disability compelling. But go ahead believing that all these kids are "fakers" since that's your worldview.

Many of our kids struggled since birth and by age 2 are in many hours of week therapies. Those who deny the need do not have kids with struggles or struggles themselves.

+1 They like to feel victimized by kids struggling with medical diagnoses. Really, the only way these people are underprivileged is by having a complete lack of empathy.

But no one is taking a thing away from those kids who are struggling. Giving extra time to all the test takers would not benefit the kids that do not need it, they would simply finish up and leave early but it could benefit kids who would like more time to read the answers.

Nope! Kids with extra time have to stay all the way through the extra time even if they finish early. your kid wants extra time? They need to stay regardless of whether they use it. Sorry. Price of admission. I don't want your kid (who does not really need extra time) disturbing my kid (who legitimately does) by getting up and leaving. See? Extra time is a not a fun thing.

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They wont get extra time in real life.

[Anonymous]

I think you give two choices to ALL sat takers.
1. Timed test
2. Same test, no time limit at all

But it’s indicated which one you took
So you get a 1350T, being higher than a 1400U.

In life, some jobs are “timed.” And some are not.
If you have ADD, you can select into a test (and a future job) that aren’t time sensitive! Your work should be outstanding though!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I only sent my kids to private because they have a learning disability. The number make sense to me.

This is an important point. Some parents are clearly gaming the system but the other side of the coin is that UMC and better parents push the schools to test for and/or can afford testing that uncovers specific learning disabilities and then pursue supports like extra time. So you’re going to see some measure of greater diagnosis in wealthier areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DC is vertically challenged and would like to be admitted to a top school via the athlete route. Please tell me where I can an accommodation that would force the basketball team to lower the net. My DC is really really good in shooting and make all the baskets - just need the net to be lowered...

Actually, your analogy is off. The accommodations don't lower the difficulty of the test, they just get extra time to finish the same level of difficulty. Even if the shot clock is suspended every time you have the ball to shoot, I doubt you could cut it as a college basketball player.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, this is why we need the adversity score on the SAT

The Adversity Score, as I understand it, would give a URM millionaire's kid the same Adversity Score as a low income URM's kid simply by virtue of sharing the same zip code. It would give that same URM millionaire's kid a higher Adversity score than an impoverished white kid living in Appalachia simply by virtue of sharing the same zip code.

The millionaire's kid who lives in a grand mountain chalet and has traveled around the world would somehow have the same or higher Adversity score than his/her poorer peers. That doesn't seem right.

The adversity score is race blind. If a white millionaire lives in the same zipcode as a low income URM kid, they too would get the same adversity score. Also, the poor white kid living in Appalachia should also have a high adversity score because he lives in a poor zipcode.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I only sent my kids to private because they have a learning disability. The number make sense to me.

This is an important point. Some parents are clearly gaming the system but the other side of the coin is that UMC and better parents push the schools to test for and/or can afford testing that uncovers specific learning disabilities and then pursue supports like extra time. So you’re going to see some measure of greater diagnosis in wealthier areas.

The article actually points out that wealthy parents will go buy a diagnosis if the private school does not help. And donations matter to private schools. What do you think a private school would do for a $$ donor?