Curriculum 2.0 was discriminatory, MCPS should make amends to the students harmed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a troll trying to stir things up, OP what do you think could or should be done?

People can't go back and redo their school age years. One time payment? If so, how much and how do you decide who was eligible, both in terms of who was hurt by the curriculum and how many years of the curriculum did you have to have to be considered hurt? Payment to get some form of additional schooling? Reduced entrance requirements and/or tuition to Montgomery College?

What do you have in mind?

This is pretty clearly a troll.

Troll or not, OP has a point. Not in terms of $$ going to students, but offering supplemental math courses/tutoring sound like a good idea, particularly in the poorer high schools. Maybe even a math class specifically designed to catch students up with the aspects of math that were skipped along the way. And offered on site in MCPS high schools. (Kids who went through 2.0 are primarily still in high school.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a troll trying to stir things up, OP what do you think could or should be done?

People can't go back and redo their school age years. One time payment? If so, how much and how do you decide who was eligible, both in terms of who was hurt by the curriculum and how many years of the curriculum did you have to have to be considered hurt? Payment to get some form of additional schooling? Reduced entrance requirements and/or tuition to Montgomery College?

What do you have in mind?

This is pretty clearly a troll.

Troll or not, OP has a point. Not in terms of $$ going to students, but offering supplemental math courses/tutoring sound like a good idea, particularly in the poorer high schools. Maybe even a math class specifically designed to catch students up with the aspects of math that were skipped along the way. And offered on site in MCPS high schools. (Kids who went through 2.0 are primarily still in high school.)

Aren't we too much carried away by labeling students with race, with family income, or any other ways of grouping?

If people feel students are falling behind on math, then MCPS should offer more math tutoring/courses, to those with lower grades in math, not to those with lower family income.

Isn't that what we should be looking at more directly (and easier to tell)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Aren't we too much carried away by labeling students with race, with family income, or any other ways of grouping?

If people feel students are falling behind on math, then MCPS should offer more math tutoring/courses, to those with lower grades in math, not to those with lower family income.

Isn't that what we should be looking at more directly (and easier to tell)?

No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a troll trying to stir things up, OP what do you think could or should be done?

People can't go back and redo their school age years. One time payment? If so, how much and how do you decide who was eligible, both in terms of who was hurt by the curriculum and how many years of the curriculum did you have to have to be considered hurt? Payment to get some form of additional schooling? Reduced entrance requirements and/or tuition to Montgomery College?

What do you have in mind?


This is pretty clearly a troll.


Troll or not, OP has a point. Not in terms of $$ going to students, but offering supplemental math courses/tutoring sound like a good idea, particularly in the poorer high schools. Maybe even a math class specifically designed to catch students up with the aspects of math that were skipped along the way. And offered on site in MCPS high schools. (Kids who went through 2.0 are primarily still in high school.)


Aren't we too much carried away by labeling students with race, with family income, or any other ways of grouping?

If people feel students are falling behind on math, then MCPS should offer more math tutoring/courses, to those with lower grades in math, not to those with lower family income.

Isn't that what we should be looking at more directly (and easier to tell)?

No for several reasons.

1. URMs were hit harder by 2.0 so classes to address the harm should focus on the group most harmed.
2. URMs have few if any alternative options to address the harm on their own. K-12 is their one shot to get an educational foundation to break the cycle of poverty. If they can't pass in high school, drop out and can't handle community college because they didn't get a basic foundation then many will be in low wage jobs for the rest of their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Aren't we too much carried away by labeling students with race, with family income, or any other ways of grouping?

If people feel students are falling behind on math, then MCPS should offer more math tutoring/courses, to those with lower grades in math, not to those with lower family income.

Isn't that what we should be looking at more directly (and easier to tell)?

No for several reasons.

1. URMs were hit harder by 2.0 so classes to address the harm should focus on the group most harmed.
2. URMs have few if any alternative options to address the harm on their own. K-12 is their one shot to get an educational foundation to break the cycle of poverty. If they can't pass in high school, drop out and can't handle community college because they didn't get a basic foundation then many will be in low wage jobs for the rest of their lives.

If you believe some people are hit harder, then we should deal with that - find out who are hit harder and do something.

If you can find out who are hit harder, then do it. No need to further analyze data from these kids and make connection to a certain racial/social/income/(anything else?) group, and then help that group instead.

If you can't find out who are hit harder, it doesn't make any sense to claim a certain group is hit harder either.

Of course, if the goal is not to help those hit harder, but just to help a certain group then I understand why people want to make that connection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No for several reasons.

1. URMs were hit harder by 2.0 so classes to address the harm should focus on the group most harmed.
2. URMs have few if any alternative options to address the harm on their own. K-12 is their one shot to get an educational foundation to break the cycle of poverty. If they can't pass in high school, drop out and can't handle community college because they didn't get a basic foundation then many will be in low wage jobs for the rest of their lives.

You know, both of these things are true.

1. Black people/Latino people in Montgomery County are less educated and less wealthy than other groups in Montgomery County.
2. There are lots of black people/Latino people in Montgomery County who are affluent and educated.

People are apparently failing to understand that group statistics, while valid for the group, tell you nothing about any given individual.

The average person in the US is a married white woman, aged 52, with a bachelor's degree, who works in the education and health services sector, earns $890 per week, has a 26-minute commute, and is an evangelical Baptist. Does this describe you? Maybe, maybe not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No for several reasons.

1. URMs were hit harder by 2.0 so classes to address the harm should focus on the group most harmed.
2. URMs have few if any alternative options to address the harm on their own. K-12 is their one shot to get an educational foundation to break the cycle of poverty. If they can't pass in high school, drop out and can't handle community college because they didn't get a basic foundation then many will be in low wage jobs for the rest of their lives.

You know, both of these things are true.

1. Black people/Latino people in Montgomery County are less educated and less wealthy than other groups in Montgomery County.
2. There are lots of black people/Latino people in Montgomery County who are affluent and educated.

People are apparently failing to understand that group statistics, while valid for the group, tell you nothing about any given individual.

The average person in the US is a married white woman, aged 52, with a bachelor's degree, who works in the education and health services sector, earns $890 per week, has a 26-minute commute, and is an evangelical Baptist. Does this describe you? Maybe, maybe not.

Apparently that is not me. Only the "married" part fits

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know where Erick Lang and Marty Creel are today?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Public school students are guinea pigs. That’s a fact. Sometimes the experiments work better than others. They have a lot of nerve passing the blame onto everyone but themselves. Teachers deserve an apology especially since they are the ones who said the curriculum sucked from the beginning.

Public schools have a responsibility not to further institutional racism.

By not listening to the teachers or putting in place any quality control, MCPS hurt the most disadvantaged and vulnerable students and continued hurting them for seven years.

MCPS has patchwork curricula, with plenty of homemade curricula still in use. Do you think that Taylor will have the money to purchase curricula for all his "equitable" regional programs? NO - these will be cut-and-paste jobs thrown together on the quick to meet his crazy Fall 2027 timeline. If Josh Starr's homemade Curriculum 2.0 was bad for disadvantaged students, wait til we see the garbage that Taylor will be throwing out there.

Will the BOE dare to demand an evaluation of Taylor's garbage curricula? Probably not. They will just pull out their well-worn rubber stamp and keep going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Public school students are guinea pigs. That’s a fact. Sometimes the experiments work better than others. They have a lot of nerve passing the blame onto everyone but themselves. Teachers deserve an apology especially since they are the ones who said the curriculum sucked from the beginning.

Public schools have a responsibility not to further institutional racism.

By not listening to the teachers or putting in place any quality control, MCPS hurt the most disadvantaged and vulnerable students and continued hurting them for seven years.

MCPS has patchwork curricula, with plenty of homemade curricula still in use. Do you think that Taylor will have the money to purchase curricula for all his "equitable" regional programs? NO - these will be cut-and-paste jobs thrown together on the quick to meet his crazy Fall 2027 timeline. If Josh Starr's homemade Curriculum 2.0 was bad for disadvantaged students, wait til we see the garbage that Taylor will be throwing out there.

Will the BOE dare to demand an evaluation of Taylor's garbage curricula? Probably not. They will just pull out their well-worn rubber stamp and keep going.

DP I think they are being so irresponsible with this whole proposal and roll out.

Can they copy curricula from existing programs? E.g I assume the biomedical program at Einstein will be similar to the existing program at Rockville HS. Some of the CTE programs can be based on the existing Edison/Seneca Valley programs. Doesn't solve the teacher recruitment or training issue.

[Anonymous]

This thread is from 2019.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is from 2019.

Still relevant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know where Erick Lang and Marty Creel are today?

Erick Lang went to work for Discovery Education when he left MCPS. I don't know if he is still there.

[Anonymous]

Let me offer a true solution (for the future): Eliminate any advanced degrees (Master and Doctoral) for Education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me offer a true solution (for the future): Eliminate any advanced degrees (Master and Doctoral) for Education.

Agree