mcps. sounds about right. (GT admissions changes)

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Anonymous wrote:I think its pretty bad when the school system is quoted that it intentionally did not admit the brightest students into the program but chose to only admit the outliers within school districts. It also revealed that the admissions committee knew the home cluster/school of the applicants and the demographics of that school. MCPS is on record in the past saying that Asian Americans were over represented in the programs and guess what once they threw out merit and scores as the deciding factor in favor of geographic location which historically was very clear where the most Asian applicants came from - guess what? MCPS solved its Asian problem and reduced their presence.

This is pretty clear cut racial modeling and no different than what the Republicans pull to suppress minority voters. Shameful MCPS! Shameful!

The school district is Montgomery County Public Schools. That the admissions committee had the information about home middle school is well known. And the majority of Asian-Americans in the downcounty don't live in Bethesda or Potomac.

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The school district is Montgomery County Public Schools. That the admissions committee had the information about home middle school is well known. And the majority of Asian-Americans in the downcounty don't live in Bethesda or Potomac.

No the majority of high performing, high scoring Asian Americans are clustered in the Churchill, Whitman and Wootton districts. Nasty people refer to Wootton as Wonton. Many of the ES schools -you know they ones scoring in the 90s on PARCC while other schools barely hit a 50% passing rate are majority Asian and minority white. Its an academic powerhouse area that attracts successful Asian Americans with high level degrees from top universities.

It pissed MCPS and DCC folks off that successful Asians were taking up spots in an eastern magnet. Rather than increase the spots to serve more students and bring in more AA and Latino students or reduce the number of spots for whites who have benefitted from systemic racism against AAs, MCPS decided to protect the white kids and screw the asian kids. Its pretty disgusting.

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The school district is Montgomery County Public Schools. That the admissions committee had the information about home middle school is well known. And the majority of Asian-Americans in the downcounty don't live in Bethesda or Potomac.

No the majority of high performing, high scoring Asian Americans are clustered in the Churchill, Whitman and Wootton districts. Nasty people refer to Wootton as Wonton. Many of the ES schools -you know they ones scoring in the 90s on PARCC while other schools barely hit a 50% passing rate are majority Asian and minority white. Its an academic powerhouse area that attracts successful Asian Americans with high level degrees from top universities.

It pissed MCPS and DCC folks off that successful Asians were taking up spots in an eastern magnet. Rather than increase the spots to serve more students and bring in more AA and Latino students or reduce the number of spots for whites who have benefitted from systemic racism against AAs, MCPS decided to protect the white kids and screw the asian kids. Its pretty disgusting.

To repeat: the majority of Asian-Americans in the downcounty don't live in Bethesda or Potomac. If you want to allege discrimination against Asian-Americans by MCPS, then you need to include ALL Asian-Americans, including the majority who don't live in Bethesda or Potomac. It's laughable to say that the Asian-Americans who don't live in Bethesda or Potomac somehow don't count as Asian-Americans. Or, you know, that the Asian-Americans who don't live in Bethesda or Potomac do count as Asian-Americans, but not as high-performing, high-scoring Asian-Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:And what is this all about?

SILVER SPRING, Md. — It was a searing summer day before the start of the school year, but Julianni and Giselle Wyche, 10-year-old twins, were in a classroom, engineering mini rockets, writing in journals and learning words like “fluctuate” and “cognizant.”

Do they now have remedial 'gifted' education? Why were these kids even in school?

I am wondering the same thing... is that a MCPS sponsored 'GT" prep program?

Primary Talent Development has been part of the plan for increasing access to programs by providing students with some early opportunities to develop skills needed to enter and succeed in magnet programs. One way they do it is through summer school programs, I think the program they referred to in the article is ELO Step - https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/elo-step.aspx

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Anonymous wrote:I think its pretty bad when the school system is quoted that it intentionally did not admit the brightest students into the program but chose to only admit the outliers within school districts. It also revealed that the admissions committee knew the home cluster/school of the applicants and the demographics of that school. MCPS is on record in the past saying that Asian Americans were over represented in the programs and guess what once they threw out merit and scores as the deciding factor in favor of geographic location which historically was very clear where the most Asian applicants came from - guess what? MCPS solved its Asian problem and reduced their presence.

This is pretty clear cut racial modeling and no different than what the Republicans pull to suppress minority voters. Shameful MCPS! Shameful!

The school district is Montgomery County Public Schools. That the admissions committee had the information about home middle school is well known. And the majority of Asian-Americans in the downcounty don't live in Bethesda or Potomac.

So the "selection committee" (which selects at discretion of themselves) had the HOME MIDDLE SCHOOLS? Well, we all know what SES's go to most of each home MSs. and the "diverse ones" were the experimental cross over programs MoCO did to slow down white flight.

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Anonymous wrote:And what is this all about?

SILVER SPRING, Md. — It was a searing summer day before the start of the school year, but Julianni and Giselle Wyche, 10-year-old twins, were in a classroom, engineering mini rockets, writing in journals and learning words like “fluctuate” and “cognizant.”

Do they now have remedial 'gifted' education? Why were these kids even in school?

I am wondering the same thing... is that a MCPS sponsored 'GT" prep program?

Primary Talent Development has been part of the plan for increasing access to programs by providing students with some early opportunities to develop skills needed to enter and succeed in magnet programs. One way they do it is through summer school programs, I think the program they referred to in the article is ELO Step - https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/elo-step.aspx

How noble, free full-time educational summer camp only for high-potential non-white and non-asian kids. never mind their SES were high, just racial profiling by MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:How do they take socioeconomic status into account? What does MCPS know of socioeconomic status besides FARMs or not?

They don't. They can't. All they know is

-do you qualify for free or reduced meals
-what home schools are you zoned for

DCUM likes to refer to SES, but it's really just plain ES.

well, your apartment or home address is an obvious proxy for SES or income. I'd bet the correlation to education level is high 90s% to high SES as well.

It's absolutely not a proxy for socioeconomic status under any circumstances. And it's only a proxy for income in areas that are economically segregated (and even then, it's not all that great - what if you live in an MPDU zoned for B-CC, for example?). In less economically segregated parts of the county, it's a lousy proxy for income.

and what part of the world is housing not economically segregated? Maybe like 2%? Downtown Philly is a good example: Rittenhouse $2M walk ups next to Penn student rental housing next to dilapidated walkups next to downtown offices next to homeless shelters.

have you checked out downtown Philly's crime rate, drug use rate, homeless rate, public school test scores/graduation rate? Terrible across the board.

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Anonymous wrote:And what is this all about?

SILVER SPRING, Md. — It was a searing summer day before the start of the school year, but Julianni and Giselle Wyche, 10-year-old twins, were in a classroom, engineering mini rockets, writing in journals and learning words like “fluctuate” and “cognizant.”

Do they now have remedial 'gifted' education? Why were these kids even in school?

I am wondering the same thing... is that a MCPS sponsored 'GT" prep program?

Primary Talent Development has been part of the plan for increasing access to programs by providing students with some early opportunities to develop skills needed to enter and succeed in magnet programs. One way they do it is through summer school programs, I think the program they referred to in the article is ELO Step - https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/elo-step.aspx

How noble, free full-time educational summer camp only for high-potential non-white and non-asian kids. never mind their SES were high, just racial profiling by MCPS.

Perhaps, they should just hand out scholarships to Dr. Li's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think its pretty bad when the school system is quoted that it intentionally did not admit the brightest students into the program but chose to only admit the outliers within school districts. It also revealed that the admissions committee knew the home cluster/school of the applicants and the demographics of that school. MCPS is on record in the past saying that Asian Americans were over represented in the programs and guess what once they threw out merit and scores as the deciding factor in favor of geographic location which historically was very clear where the most Asian applicants came from - guess what? MCPS solved its Asian problem and reduced their presence.

This is pretty clear cut racial modeling. Shameful MCPS! Shameful!

correct.

and then the district doesn't have the balls to disclose these outlier's scores and how they fit in with historic or other admit scores.

I can tell you right now, the outliers at a terrible performing school are more likely to be way below par of what the outliers or even top third of a highly performing school are. There might be some rare exceptions, but an MCPS process wouldn't be able to ID that without a psych test and heavy teacher recs.

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How noble, free full-time educational summer camp only for high-potential non-white and non-asian kids. never mind their SES were high, just racial profiling by MCPS.

Now you're just making stuff up.

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Anonymous wrote:I think its pretty bad when the school system is quoted that it intentionally did not admit the brightest students into the program but chose to only admit the outliers within school districts. It also revealed that the admissions committee knew the home cluster/school of the applicants and the demographics of that school. MCPS is on record in the past saying that Asian Americans were over represented in the programs and guess what once they threw out merit and scores as the deciding factor in favor of geographic location which historically was very clear where the most Asian applicants came from - guess what? MCPS solved its Asian problem and reduced their presence.

This is pretty clear cut racial modeling and no different than what the Republicans pull to suppress minority voters. Shameful MCPS! Shameful!

The school district is Montgomery County Public Schools. That the admissions committee had the information about home middle school is well known. And the majority of Asian-Americans in the downcounty don't live in Bethesda or Potomac.

So the "selection committee" (which selects at discretion of themselves) had the HOME MIDDLE SCHOOLS? Well, we all know what SES's go to most of each home MSs. and the "diverse ones" were the experimental cross over programs MoCO did to slow down white flight.

Yes, they knew the home middle schools of the applicants.

Maybe you should get out and about the county more, perhaps meet a more diverse group of people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think its pretty bad when the school system is quoted that it intentionally did not admit the brightest students into the program but chose to only admit the outliers within school districts. It also revealed that the admissions committee knew the home cluster/school of the applicants and the demographics of that school. MCPS is on record in the past saying that Asian Americans were over represented in the programs and guess what once they threw out merit and scores as the deciding factor in favor of geographic location which historically was very clear where the most Asian applicants came from - guess what? MCPS solved its Asian problem and reduced their presence.

This is pretty clear cut racial modeling and no different than what the Republicans pull to suppress minority voters. Shameful MCPS! Shameful!

The school district is Montgomery County Public Schools. That the admissions committee had the information about home middle school is well known. And the majority of Asian-Americans in the downcounty don't live in Bethesda or Potomac.

So the "selection committee" (which selects at discretion of themselves) had the HOME MIDDLE SCHOOLS? Well, we all know what SES's go to most of each home MSs. and the "diverse ones" were the experimental cross over programs MoCO did to slow down white flight.

Yes, they knew the home middle schools of the applicants.

Maybe you should get out and about the county more, perhaps meet a more diverse group of people?

I'd heard this helped to identify schools with a pre-existing strong-cohort which made magnet admission moot.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And what is this all about?

SILVER SPRING, Md. — It was a searing summer day before the start of the school year, but Julianni and Giselle Wyche, 10-year-old twins, were in a classroom, engineering mini rockets, writing in journals and learning words like “fluctuate” and “cognizant.”

Do they now have remedial 'gifted' education? Why were these kids even in school?

I am wondering the same thing... is that a MCPS sponsored 'GT" prep program?

Primary Talent Development has been part of the plan for increasing access to programs by providing students with some early opportunities to develop skills needed to enter and succeed in magnet programs. One way they do it is through summer school programs, I think the program they referred to in the article is ELO Step - https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/elo-step.aspx

How noble, free full-time educational summer camp only for high-potential non-white and non-asian kids. never mind their SES were high, just racial profiling by MCPS.

Perhaps, they should just hand out scholarships to Dr. Li's.

Maybe we can move to a voucher system and watch how many families prefer to use their $10-20k of property taxes towards parochial or private schools they get accepted to or Dr Li's or tutoring to actually master the material.

MCPS needs some competition and a kick in the pants. It is failing it's top half of students, big-time. Parents are picking up way too much of the slack in order to teach their children core classes AND a breadth of subject matter outside of school. It's like some people's PT or FT job in parts of MoCo, filling in the holes and signing up for supplementing.

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Anonymous wrote:The CES rejection letter emphasizes that needs can be met at the home school with presence of a peer group, but quite a few kids from our home school (10+) went to the CES and more seem to be coming off the waitlist. There honestly doesn't seem to be a peer group left. DC was 99th percentile all around. Some of the kids pulled from the waitlist had lower scores. I realize there are other factors at play but it is frustrating. Our principal has emphasized that high achievers get split into different classrooms to achieve balance in each room.

Coming off the waitlist now? Isn't that too late?

FWIW, PP, I can relate. My child was also 99 percent all around and wasn't even waitlisted. I don't know what 'other factors' are in play here but it sure is not fair.

Didn’t the article mention they de-emphasized the standardized testing and emphasized student’s grades instead. It’s not unfair if other kids had higher grades than your kid.

Grades, like teacher recs, can be subjective, especially in non math subjects.

And standardized testing can be prepped for and capture one date in time, rather than a student's progression as grades do. There are no perfect metrics.

Indeed, so it's not like replacing standardized test scores with grades is any better.

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Anonymous wrote:I think its pretty bad when the school system is quoted that it intentionally did not admit the brightest students into the program but chose to only admit the outliers within school districts. It also revealed that the admissions committee knew the home cluster/school of the applicants and the demographics of that school. MCPS is on record in the past saying that Asian Americans were over represented in the programs and guess what once they threw out merit and scores as the deciding factor in favor of geographic location which historically was very clear where the most Asian applicants came from - guess what? MCPS solved its Asian problem and reduced their presence.

This is pretty clear cut racial modeling and no different than what the Republicans pull to suppress minority voters. Shameful MCPS! Shameful!

The school district is Montgomery County Public Schools. That the admissions committee had the information about home middle school is well known. And the majority of Asian-Americans in the downcounty don't live in Bethesda or Potomac.

So the "selection committee" (which selects at discretion of themselves) had the HOME MIDDLE SCHOOLS? Well, we all know what SES's go to most of each home MSs. and the "diverse ones" were the experimental cross over programs MoCO did to slow down white flight.

Yes, they knew the home middle schools of the applicants.

Maybe you should get out and about the county more, perhaps meet a more diverse group of people?

I'd heard this helped to identify schools with a pre-existing strong-cohort which made magnet admission moot.

Golly, I wonder wonder wonder what type of kids were in the strong performing cohorts..... And why? Why were they so strongly performing in grades and on tests?