APS: who is the best CB candidate on schools issues?

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Anonymous wrote:I just can't get over the fact that the missing middle "solution" doesn't actually solve the problem that it sets out to address. These new places aren't going to be "affordable housing" for teachers or others who work here. They're going to be extremely expensive upper middle class housing that's basically a cash grab for developers, meanwhile there's no provisions being made for space in schools or other effects. wtf Arlington?

It wasn't about solving the "affordable housing" issue.

???

That's actually another issue I have with this whole thing. When I first saw the term "missing middle" my thought was *not* housing, it was income, or at least housing that middle-income people could afford. Yes as soon as I looked into it I realized it wasn't an initiative to help teachers live here, but I really do think the name of the initiative is misleading and makes it sound a lot more altruistic than it is.

- NP

I saw it as the "missing middle" of housing. We have SFHs. We have apartment buildings. We already have some THs but could use more units in the middle.

And you were correct, I was not. However, I still think the board could have and should have made clear that this initiative probably isn't going to make housing costs more affordable, since it's not entirely unreasonable to think that "missing middle housing" implies making housing affordable for middle income people who are priced out of the area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just can't get over the fact that the missing middle "solution" doesn't actually solve the problem that it sets out to address. These new places aren't going to be "affordable housing" for teachers or others who work here. They're going to be extremely expensive upper middle class housing that's basically a cash grab for developers, meanwhile there's no provisions being made for space in schools or other effects. wtf Arlington?

It wasn't about solving the "affordable housing" issue.

???

That's actually another issue I have with this whole thing. When I first saw the term "missing middle" my thought was *not* housing, it was income, or at least housing that middle-income people could afford. Yes as soon as I looked into it I realized it wasn't an initiative to help teachers live here, but I really do think the name of the initiative is misleading and makes it sound a lot more altruistic than it is.

- NP

I saw it as the "missing middle" of housing. We have SFHs. We have apartment buildings. We already have some THs but could use more units in the middle.

And you were correct, I was not. However, I still think the board could have and should have made clear that this initiative probably isn't going to make housing costs more affordable, since it's not entirely unreasonable to think that "missing middle housing" implies making housing affordable for middle income people who are priced out of the area.

I can see how some people would misinterpret it but I don't think it implies that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

I voted for him in the past, but he lost my vote forever when he aligned himself with the crazy Open Schools crowd. Big fat NOPE.

Bleh. So who are you voting for?

de Ferranti is the least bad option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just can't get over the fact that the missing middle "solution" doesn't actually solve the problem that it sets out to address. These new places aren't going to be "affordable housing" for teachers or others who work here. They're going to be extremely expensive upper middle class housing that's basically a cash grab for developers, meanwhile there's no provisions being made for space in schools or other effects. wtf Arlington?

It wasn't about solving the "affordable housing" issue.

???

That's actually another issue I have with this whole thing. When I first saw the term "missing middle" my thought was *not* housing, it was income, or at least housing that middle-income people could afford. Yes as soon as I looked into it I realized it wasn't an initiative to help teachers live here, but I really do think the name of the initiative is misleading and makes it sound a lot more altruistic than it is.

- NP

I saw it as the "missing middle" of housing. We have SFHs. We have apartment buildings. We already have some THs but could use more units in the middle.

And you were correct, I was not. However, I still think the board could have and should have made clear that this initiative probably isn't going to make housing costs more affordable, since it's not entirely unreasonable to think that "missing middle housing" implies making housing affordable for middle income people who are priced out of the area.

I can see how some people would misinterpret it but I don't think it implies that.

I think the discussion also gets bogged down in how one defines middle income, because a couple with two fine-but-not-management-level government jobs could be earning a solid $250K+, which doesn't sound middle income but around here is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

That will do nothing to stop the missing middle candidate. It’s a throwaway. It’s better to vote someone who may actually, possibly, please have a chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

That will do nothing to stop the missing middle candidate. It’s a throwaway. It’s better to vote someone who may actually, possibly, please have a chance.

Is there really a chance the results of this election could stop missing middle?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just can't get over the fact that the missing middle "solution" doesn't actually solve the problem that it sets out to address. These new places aren't going to be "affordable housing" for teachers or others who work here. They're going to be extremely expensive upper middle class housing that's basically a cash grab for developers, meanwhile there's no provisions being made for space in schools or other effects. wtf Arlington?

It wasn't about solving the "affordable housing" issue.

???

That's actually another issue I have with this whole thing. When I first saw the term "missing middle" my thought was *not* housing, it was income, or at least housing that middle-income people could afford. Yes as soon as I looked into it I realized it wasn't an initiative to help teachers live here, but I really do think the name of the initiative is misleading and makes it sound a lot more altruistic than it is.

- NP

I saw it as the "missing middle" of housing. We have SFHs. We have apartment buildings. We already have some THs but could use more units in the middle.

And you were correct, I was not. However, I still think the board could have and should have made clear that this initiative probably isn't going to make housing costs more affordable, since it's not entirely unreasonable to think that "missing middle housing" implies making housing affordable for middle income people who are priced out of the area.

I can see how some people would misinterpret it but I don't think it implies that.

I think the discussion also gets bogged down in how one defines middle income, because a couple with two fine-but-not-management-level government jobs could be earning a solid $250K+, which doesn't sound middle income but around here is.

It's not middle income, it's middle housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

That will do nothing to stop the missing middle candidate. It’s a throwaway. It’s better to vote someone who may actually, possibly, please have a chance.

+1

"Protest votes" are irrational and don't accomplish anything except possibly ending up with an even worst candidate.

As I say with every election, grow up and vote like an adult. Pick the least bad option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

That will do nothing to stop the missing middle candidate. It’s a throwaway. It’s better to vote someone who may actually, possibly, please have a chance.

+1

"Protest votes" are irrational and don't accomplish anything except possibly ending up with an even worst candidate.

As I say with every election, grow up and vote like an adult. Pick the least bad option.

In my mind the least bad option is the one who opposed missing middle. I say that as a Democrat who supports smart growth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

That will do nothing to stop the missing middle candidate. It’s a throwaway. It’s better to vote someone who may actually, possibly, please have a chance.

+1

"Protest votes" are irrational and don't accomplish anything except possibly ending up with an even worst candidate.

As I say with every election, grow up and vote like an adult. Pick the least bad option.

In my mind the least bad option is the one who opposed missing middle. I say that as a Democrat who supports smart growth.

You are opposed to all missing middle? Or just the extreme missing middle proposals?

The downside is candidates are full package. They will vote on every issue, not just missing middle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

That will do nothing to stop the missing middle candidate. It’s a throwaway. It’s better to vote someone who may actually, possibly, please have a chance.

+1

"Protest votes" are irrational and don't accomplish anything except possibly ending up with an even worst candidate.

As I say with every election, grow up and vote like an adult. Pick the least bad option.

Ha thanks for being so condescending! Protest votes and abstentions have a long history of being used as an integral part of the electoral process. There is a lot of academic and activist literature on this. I think they are sometimes used poorly but not always.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

That will do nothing to stop the missing middle candidate. It’s a throwaway. It’s better to vote someone who may actually, possibly, please have a chance.

+1000 This! Please!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

That will do nothing to stop the missing middle candidate. It’s a throwaway. It’s better to vote someone who may actually, possibly, please have a chance.

+1

"Protest votes" are irrational and don't accomplish anything except possibly ending up with an even worst candidate.

As I say with every election, grow up and vote like an adult. Pick the least bad option.

Well, for me, the least bad option is Audrey Clement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

That will do nothing to stop the missing middle candidate. It’s a throwaway. It’s better to vote someone who may actually, possibly, please have a chance.

+1

"Protest votes" are irrational and don't accomplish anything except possibly ending up with an even worst candidate.

As I say with every election, grow up and vote like an adult. Pick the least bad option.

In my mind the least bad option is the one who opposed missing middle. I say that as a Democrat who supports smart growth.

You are opposed to all missing middle? Or just the extreme missing middle proposals?

The downside is candidates are full package. They will vote on every issue, not just missing middle.

DP but agree with the PP you're asking. Yes, they'll vote on every issue; but it's 1 of 5 votes. It's not like it's going to change the entire trajectory of the CB agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I might write in Vistdaht (after I learn how to spell his name). I feel like that's enough of a protest vote without supporting somebody who disturbs me. He seemed to be the best I've seen as far as a board member caring about schools.

That will do nothing to stop the missing middle candidate. It’s a throwaway. It’s better to vote someone who may actually, possibly, please have a chance.

+1

"Protest votes" are irrational and don't accomplish anything except possibly ending up with an even worst candidate.

As I say with every election, grow up and vote like an adult. Pick the least bad option.

Ha thanks for being so condescending! Protest votes and abstentions have a long history of being used as an integral part of the electoral process. There is a lot of academic and activist literature on this. I think they are sometimes used poorly but not always.

Just because people do it used don't mean it's rational or effective.