APS: Wow, the SB meeting was a DOOZY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This busing argument is a red herring. No one is asking for it. RG explicitly stated he wasn't advocating for busing. He was simply trying to promote any VOLUNTARY means of increasing diversity, like APS providing transportation to those who CHOOSE to attend a less diverse school and who would increase the diversity there.

Exactly. Also, of you live in Fairfax, shut up. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you voluntarily & legally promote diversity? I thought quotas were illegal. Didn't HB get in trouble many years ago for having some kind of system like that?

Magnet schools--but this seldom works really well. You lose the community feel-

Yep- Thomas Jefferson- no community feel there...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you voluntarily & legally promote diversity? I thought quotas were illegal. Didn't HB get in trouble many years ago for having some kind of system like that?

Magnet schools--but this seldom works really well. You lose the community feel-

Is that what all you weirdos want magnet schools?

So if there are diverse kids in the building thats all that matters lol

Because I can tell you the magnet and non-magnet kids are not going to be mixing together

I guess in the end it makes sense because as stated earlier the only people who are really worried are white folks from southern arlington and magnets let you get a lower priced house with a better school win win

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hello? anybody home in there? So, all the kids were poor.? That is not what we are talking about. We are talking about mixing up the socioeconomic segregation.

The affluent kids in the neighborhood left for private schools.

Bye

I was a teacher--not a parent. And, yes, this was for racial integration. However, the results are the same.

Please give me an example of where bussing works.

ATS
Drew
Key

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you voluntarily & legally promote diversity? I thought quotas were illegal. Didn't HB get in trouble many years ago for having some kind of system like that?

Magnet schools--but this seldom works really well. You lose the community feel-

Is that what all you weirdos want magnet schools?

So if there are diverse kids in the building thats all that matters lol

Because I can tell you the magnet and non-magnet kids are not going to be mixing together

I guess in the end it makes sense because as stated earlier the only people who are really worried are white folks from southern arlington and magnets let you get a lower priced house with a better school win win

Don't worry sweetie, when your kids school isn't 90% white, you can have a lower priced house too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hello? anybody home in there? So, all the kids were poor.? That is not what we are talking about. We are talking about mixing up the socioeconomic segregation.

The affluent kids in the neighborhood left for private schools.

Bye

I was a teacher--not a parent. And, yes, this was for racial integration. However, the results are the same.

Please give me an example of where bussing works.

ATS
Drew
Key

Choice, choice, choice

People can also choose not to be bussed and go to their neighborhood school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you voluntarily & legally promote diversity? I thought quotas were illegal. Didn't HB get in trouble many years ago for having some kind of system like that?

Magnet schools--but this seldom works really well. You lose the community feel-

Is that what all you weirdos want magnet schools?

So if there are diverse kids in the building thats all that matters lol

Because I can tell you the magnet and non-magnet kids are not going to be mixing together

I guess in the end it makes sense because as stated earlier the only people who are really worried are white folks from southern arlington and magnets let you get a lower priced house with a better school win win

No, and that's not what anyone is asking for. Do you even live here? We already have "option" programs where kids aren't tracked into separate programs--they are all part of the program if they're at that school. The ideal situation is that kids attend their own diverse neighborhood schools. I don't think you'll find many who don't consider that the ideal. But we since don't yet have these idyllic diverse neighborhoods in all areas of the county, option schools and transfers allow families who prioritize diversity, or a program, or a pedagogy, to prioritize what matters most to them now instead of waiting for some magical time in the future when our civic associations will all be totally cool with major changes to zoning that would allow for "natural" economic/cultural/racial/ethnic diversity to take hold. Our kids only get one childhood, one educational experience. What kind of environment is best? Is it hypersegregation? I don't think it is, not for any of our kids, regardless of where their families fall on the income spectrum.

People have been calling for a working group to talk about this issue for over two years now. Has it happened? NO. They can create a Working Group to study the field lights at one MS, a three year study in NIMBY masturbation that accomplished nothing, but not one single working group or task force or community round-table to even talk about this issue.

I've heard both Goldstein and Kanninen at work sessions or meetings talking about removing logistical barriers for transfers, or allowing preschool students to remain at out-of-boundary neighborhood schools with transportation provided, assuming space is available and as a choice, or codifying that every option school should have a certain number of preschool students who are guaranteed admittance for Kindergarten (they wouldn't be forced to enroll), but this policy doesn't address these ideas at all. I think they proposed putting something into policy because the current board is not only not doing things to decrease economic disparities, but as boundary changes and policy changes are occurring, they are are flirting with undoing past attempts at desegregation, citing "proximity" as the overriding concern. And making comments disparaging affirmative action as social engineering. Isn't that a microagression?

While racial quotas are not legal, there is nothing illegal about using socioeconomic diversity to guide enrollment/transfer policy. Over 100 jurisdictions across the country are doing so already. APS should be among them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you voluntarily & legally promote diversity? I thought quotas were illegal. Didn't HB get in trouble many years ago for having some kind of system like that?

Magnet schools--but this seldom works really well. You lose the community feel-

Is that what all you weirdos want magnet schools?

So if there are diverse kids in the building thats all that matters lol

Because I can tell you the magnet and non-magnet kids are not going to be mixing together

I guess in the end it makes sense because as stated earlier the only people who are really worried are white folks from southern arlington and magnets let you get a lower priced house with a better school win win

No, and that's not what anyone is asking for. Do you even live here? We already have "option" programs where kids aren't tracked into separate programs--they are all part of the program if they're at that school. The ideal situation is that kids attend their own diverse neighborhood schools. I don't think you'll find many who don't consider that the ideal. But we since don't yet have these idyllic diverse neighborhoods in all areas of the county, option schools and transfers allow families who prioritize diversity, or a program, or a pedagogy, to prioritize what matters most to them now instead of waiting for some magical time in the future when our civic associations will all be totally cool with major changes to zoning that would allow for "natural" economic/cultural/racial/ethnic diversity to take hold. Our kids only get one childhood, one educational experience. What kind of environment is best? Is it hypersegregation? I don't think it is, not for any of our kids, regardless of where their families fall on the income spectrum.

People have been calling for a working group to talk about this issue for over two years now. Has it happened? NO. They can create a Working Group to study the field lights at one MS, a three year study in NIMBY masturbation that accomplished nothing, but not one single working group or task force or community round-table to even talk about this issue.

I've heard both Goldstein and Kanninen at work sessions or meetings talking about removing logistical barriers for transfers, or allowing preschool students to remain at out-of-boundary neighborhood schools with transportation provided, assuming space is available and as a choice, or codifying that every option school should have a certain number of preschool students who are guaranteed admittance for Kindergarten (they wouldn't be forced to enroll), but this policy doesn't address these ideas at all. I think they proposed putting something into policy because the current board is not only not doing things to decrease economic disparities, but as boundary changes and policy changes are occurring, they are are flirting with undoing past attempts at desegregation, citing "proximity" as the overriding concern. And making comments disparaging affirmative action as social engineering. Isn't that a microagression?

While racial quotas are not legal, there is nothing illegal about using socioeconomic diversity to guide enrollment/transfer policy. Over 100 jurisdictions across the country are doing so already. APS should be among them.

Cmon you are too smart for this. If you allow more transfers it's just going to make the issue worse because the people motivated to make the transfers are the higher SES folks who will be fleeing marginal schools en masse

On the other hand to get what you actually want more SES diversity at all the schools isn't realistic. Once you start adding more lower SES into high SES schools a decent chunk of high SES is going to pool out via private, moving, or transferring elsewhere.

So really the most practical option is total choice like what they do in DC. I don't get why some of yall bashed it so much. Its the most realistic solution to trying to get some form of equity in education.

[Anonymous]

So really the most practical option is total choice like what they do in DC. I don't get why some of yall bashed it so much. Its the most realistic solution to trying to get some form of equity in education.

Does the county have to pay for transportation in those cases? $$$$ for transportation and not education.

[Anonymous]

Quit threatening to move and just do it already. You won't be missed. You think there isn't a line of people looking for a good commute, yard, and a descent school? Yorktown isn't all that. If people will buy for Wilson, they'll buy for Yorktown.
So move, you're a dime a dozen. Plenty of umc white people want in and commuting from further out gets worse every year.
So move. Bye.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quit threatening to move and just do it already. You won't be missed. You think there isn't a line of people looking for a good commute, yard, and a descent school? Yorktown isn't all that. If people will buy for Wilson, they'll buy for Yorktown.
So move, you're a dime a dozen. Plenty of umc white people want in and commuting from further out gets worse every year.
So move. Bye.

People buying for Wilson are usually going private.

But, yes, location and walkability trump schools close-in. People ha e the $ to go private if they choose. Half my neighborhood in 22201 goes private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quit threatening to move and just do it already. You won't be missed. You think there isn't a line of people looking for a good commute, yard, and a descent school? Yorktown isn't all that. If people will buy for Wilson, they'll buy for Yorktown.
So move, you're a dime a dozen. Plenty of umc white people want in and commuting from further out gets worse every year.
So move. Bye.

Plenty of descent schools in APS right now, unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quit threatening to move and just do it already. You won't be missed. You think there isn't a line of people looking for a good commute, yard, and a descent school? Yorktown isn't all that. If people will buy for Wilson, they'll buy for Yorktown.
So move, you're a dime a dozen. Plenty of umc white people want in and commuting from further out gets worse every year.
So move. Bye.

Plenty of descent schools in APS right now, unfortunately.

Ha. I didn't catch that. Not sure I agree, but that might be a Freudian typo.

[Anonymous]

I don't know where this idea came that people in S Arlington and just living here gaming the system purposely only buying a "inexpensive" house and still getting good schools.

I mean don't get my wrong, I really like S. Arlington and am happy to be living here BUT I did not have money for N. Arlington or any place that close in place with "good schools" But you are right, obviously so I am not rich enough my kids should just take what they can get and I should shut up about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While racial quotas are not legal, there is nothing illegal about using socioeconomic diversity to guide enrollment/transfer policy. Over 100 jurisdictions across the country are doing so already. APS should be among them.

So, does that mean it is legal to set quotas based on income? How does that work? Allotting slots based on neighborhood school density seems to make the most sense to me, but part of that could be that I don't understand how you would identify a certain % go to low income families and then offer up slots to the rest of the county when they just changed the policy to try to make the selection process more equitable.