Heroin epidemic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guess what ? This middle aged white guy says ' let them die' . The white folks whose kids are dying of heroin today are the kids of the white people whose parents in the 80s and 90s couldn't be fucking bothered because their deep seated racism had them beating up on politicians and the justice system calling for tougher enforcement , harsher prison sentences , and what not . These junkies deserve the same level of compassion and empathy that was shown to 'other people'.

You wanna know why this country is seating on a ticking time bomb and why race relations are where they are? Look no further than the double standard that some of you are trying to apply here. Tell you what , these junkies ain't no victims and some of us deserve or better yet are entitled to roam the streets freely without stumbling on your kids pills and needles . The same arguments used to describe junkies of the 80s apply to junkies of these years. Failure to recognize that makes you a racist , either you view yourself as such or not is a moot point

For much of this country's history too many whites have looked at every problem under the 'us vs them' prism . This so- called heroin epidemic is the logical result of the hubris, arrogance and calculated indifference that whites have shown for 'others' combined with that superiority complex that has had even if the so-called liberals believing that they and their precious snowflakes are above the Frey . Is it any wonder why these geniuses are in denial about their snowflakes junky statuses even after they've buried them ? Talk about spiritual bankruptcy .

Let them die

Signed 59 year old white man

I can't argue with the hypocrisy that's inherent in many of those appealing to politicians now that it's decimating white populations.

However, at the same time, I don't want to let people die. I want us to divert resources from the Security State and Criminal-Justice Inc. to help these addicts. Reduce the number of jail personnel and give them training as counselors and therapists. An eye-for-eye just leaves the world blind.

It's similar to my student loan debt: I'll happily pay it off if it means we can give every young person very low cost/free education for the next few generations and put a cap on tuition. This is a matter of national and economic security, not some nebulous sense of "fairness." I would hope grandmothers feel the same way about maternity leave for young generations of women. Let's progress.

[Anonymous]

Writing rx's for opiates was the quickest way to make big $$$ for new docs. They were all reassured it wasn't addictive, which they knew was BS, but money talks. Hospitals and dentists got in on the act, too. It ensured repeat customers. Then, about four years ago, The FDA clamped down. The opiates were also rejiggered to make them less easy to inject and snort.
Next stop: heroin and fentanyl (much easier to obtain, more powerful). Opiate addiction has VERY low rehab success rate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.

I don't think the large base of people dying are middle class. You can google many legitimate news articles on this topic for more information.

It's lower middle class people.

Nope.
The upper middle class are much better at keeping it mum and staying away from publicly funded rehab, where journalists get stories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mother of former heroin user here.

I'll probably catch flack for this, but if there is one thing I would have done differently it would have been to re-arrange my work to be home after school every day when my child hit high school.

Another thing I would have done differently would have been to be much more aggressive when my child complained of pain constantly. After the pediatrician formed the opinion it was probably psychological I went after it half-heartedly. It turned out to be a real illness for which pain is a symptom. Untreated pain that doctors didn't believe was a major, although not the only, reason for my child turning to heroin. Getting a diagnosis was an important factor in diagnosis, which of course was all the harder to get because of the heroin.

Truly sorry for you.

Don't feel sorry for me. We managed to dodge the bullet and both my child and I are much stronger for it today. My child is doing very well now--in college with a heavy STEM load and almost all As. DC is super motivated to be a success in life and does a lot of volunteer work, including with the homeless and recovering addicts.

I feel sorry for all the parents who bought into the myths about hitting rock bottom, tough love, and sales pitches of some of the least effective rehabs and the consultants who push them and now have dead children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.

I don't think the large base of people dying are middle class. You can google many legitimate news articles on this topic for more information.

It's lower middle class people.

Nope.
The upper middle class are much better at keeping it mum and staying away from publicly funded rehab, where journalists get stories.

As it turns out, however, many publicly funded rehabs have higher success rates than private ones, even the really fancy ones in Malibu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who is the recovering addict, I want to respond to the mother whose daughter OD' and the article. The parents in the article and many of our parents probably thought that being the cool fun carefree parents who allowed drinking at home, turned a blind eye to things as long as they could say their kids are going to the top schools and getting good grades.

I can't tell you enough how important it is to be on top of your kids. I had idle time, my parents worked to be able to afford private schools, fancy stuff so they can be like others-sounds a lot like many of our communities.

I can't thank you enough for being there for your kids. I always wondered what my father, a big law partner would do after the police would call him, or what my mother would say to her friends to hide the growing signs, It was always damage control instead of how do we get healthy. it wasn't until my od that they realized it was an issue.

There is no one answer but ask most parents of kids who died and they all wish they did more and not worried if their kids thought they were the cool parents.

Don't wait until they are drinking, smoking, using, to get help and educate yourself. Educate them or someone else will.

Many of these parents aren't the cool ones; they are the naive ones. I do agree, however, that once your child is in this situation you really need to educate yourself. Doctors are useless and consultants push whatever mediocre rehab is giving them kickbacks. I know one mother of a heroin addict who put her child through medical detox at least three times before it occurred to her that detox without follow up is pretty useless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who is the recovering addict, I want to respond to the mother whose daughter OD' and the article. The parents in the article and many of our parents probably thought that being the cool fun carefree parents who allowed drinking at home, turned a blind eye to things as long as they could say their kids are going to the top schools and getting good grades.

I can't tell you enough how important it is to be on top of your kids. I had idle time, my parents worked to be able to afford private schools, fancy stuff so they can be like others-sounds a lot like many of our communities.

I can't thank you enough for being there for your kids. I always wondered what my father, a big law partner would do after the police would call him, or what my mother would say to her friends to hide the growing signs, It was always damage control instead of how do we get healthy. it wasn't until my od that they realized it was an issue.

There is no one answer but ask most parents of kids who died and they all wish they did more and not worried if their kids thought they were the cool parents.

Don't wait until they are drinking, smoking, using, to get help and educate yourself. Educate them or someone else will.

And don't worry if your kids aren't popular. In fact, worry if they are. Every addict I know was part of the popular group. They all hung out at houses where the parents stocked beer and took away the car keys on weekend get togethers so the kids wouldn't drive (kids started carrying a second set of keys). The beer got boring and they turned to bigger highs, starting with fruit salad from the parents medicine cabinet. The parents used to love to sit around and literally "brag" about bailing kids out of juvie and how "mad" they were. The problem is, your kids won't be popular in HS if you don't serve beer and turn a blind eye to pot, but there's a lot of other stuff going on behind closed doors. Keep them close!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Writing rx's for opiates was the quickest way to make big $$$ for new docs. They were all reassured it wasn't addictive, which they knew was BS, but money talks. Hospitals and dentists got in on the act, too. It ensured repeat customers. Then, about four years ago, The FDA clamped down. The opiates were also rejiggered to make them less easy to inject and snort.
Next stop: heroin and fentanyl (much easier to obtain, more powerful). Opiate addiction has VERY low rehab success rate.

That's BS. The big sin was in believing the drug company, but they had no reason to suspect they were lying. And pain relief that didn't need to be taken so frequently and was supposed to be less addictive, basically more effective meds? That's been the dream for years.

[Anonymous]

There also was a movement towards thinking pain relief was compassionate and worrying less about addiction. It started with cancer patients.

My grandmother died of cancer in the early 70s. At first they wanted to withhold any narcotics for fear she'd become an addict. But she clearly would never recover, was in great pain, and was dying. And she was pretty much already addicted from the stingy amounts they did give her. My uncle who was a doctor intervened and got her on regular daily doses of narcotics.

Withholding pain killers for cancer patients was pretty common back then, but it increasingly became viewed as cruel towards the dying and narcotics became much more freely prescribed for cancer patients. Then it spread towards greater use in other painful conditions on the theory that pain was not healing and people would recover more quickly if they didn't have to deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess what ? This middle aged white guy says ' let them die' . The white folks whose kids are dying of heroin today are the kids of the white people whose parents in the 80s and 90s couldn't be fucking bothered because their deep seated racism had them beating up on politicians and the justice system calling for tougher enforcement , harsher prison sentences , and what not . These junkies deserve the same level of compassion and empathy that was shown to 'other people'.

You wanna know why this country is seating on a ticking time bomb and why race relations are where they are? Look no further than the double standard that some of you are trying to apply here. Tell you what , these junkies ain't no victims and some of us deserve or better yet are entitled to roam the streets freely without stumbling on your kids pills and needles . The same arguments used to describe junkies of the 80s apply to junkies of these years. Failure to recognize that makes you a racist , either you view yourself as such or not is a moot point

For much of this country's history too many whites have looked at every problem under the 'us vs them' prism . This so- called heroin epidemic is the logical result of the hubris, arrogance and calculated indifference that whites have shown for 'others' combined with that superiority complex that has had even if the so-called liberals believing that they and their precious snowflakes are above the Frey . Is it any wonder why these geniuses are in denial about their snowflakes junky statuses even after they've buried them ? Talk about spiritual bankruptcy .

Let them die

Signed 59 year old white man

I can't argue with the hypocrisy that's inherent in many of those appealing to politicians now that it's decimating white populations.

However, at the same time, I don't want to let people die. I want us to divert resources from the Security State and Criminal-Justice Inc. to help these addicts. Reduce the number of jail personnel and give them training as counselors and therapists. An eye-for-eye just leaves the world blind.

It's similar to my student loan debt: I'll happily pay it off if it means we can give every young person very low cost/free education for the next few generations and put a cap on tuition. This is a matter of national and economic security, not some nebulous sense of "fairness." I would hope grandmothers feel the same way about maternity leave for young generations of women. Let's progress.

Crappy analogies.

[Anonymous]

My son in law is a heroin addict. 6 relapses I'm 3 years. Binges for a few months goes to rehab and it all starts over.
Scary thing his parents buy it even though they are not addicts at all, don't even drink. Just want him happy
Then they pay for rehab each time. My daughter won't talk to be about it. I feel so helpless

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son in law is a heroin addict. 6 relapses I'm 3 years. Binges for a few months goes to rehab and it all starts over.
Scary thing his parents buy it even though they are not addicts at all, don't even drink. Just want him happy
Then they pay for rehab each time. My daughter won't talk to be about it. I feel so helpless

you didn't raise your daughter to screen men well, did you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's really tough and striking to see how much sympathy and understanding there is for this most recent drug crisis now that the face of addiction is white.

Similar to all the outrage from everyone now that Trump has disrespected white women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son in law is a heroin addict. 6 relapses I'm 3 years. Binges for a few months goes to rehab and it all starts over.
Scary thing his parents buy it even though they are not addicts at all, don't even drink. Just want him happy
Then they pay for rehab each time. My daughter won't talk to be about it. I feel so helpless

you didn't raise your daughter to screen men well, did you?

They are in their 30 he was wonderful up until the last 3 years. Lost his job and started using

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's really tough and striking to see how much sympathy and understanding there is for this most recent drug crisis now that the face of addiction is white.

Similar to all the outrage from everyone now that Trump has disrespected white women.

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