Sound off if you think AAP is BS

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

Why does the Western fringe of the county send the vast majority of the FCPS kids that go to TJ, rather than the areas much closer to the school? Why are the schools in that part of the county so full of AAP students? Because the tech industry, which idea depends heavily on Asian parents who worship all things education is there. Tech settles where it can get workers. And Asian tech workers move where their kids can get the best education. It could settle in MoCo, but doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

As a twenty something professional, before I had kids (and before I discovered DCUM), I knew about Fairfax and their gifted program. It's a draw. One of many, sure, but definitely one.

I've lived in Fairfax for over 20 years and DCUM is the only place where I've ever seen such concentrated antipathy against the AAP programs. Since it's an anonymous forum, it's not clear at all how many posters there actually are who dislike AAP so much or whether they even live in Fairfax.

oh boo f*cking hoo. What about the implicit antipathy toward the Gen Ed kids?

I live in the land of TJ crazy, and know no one who explicitly or implicitly looks down on GE kids. The GE kids I know are lovely kids with nice parents. I think you're projecting.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have 25 - 50% in AAP, the term "gifted" has lost all meaning.

There are NOT 25-50% of fcps kids in AAP centers/level IV.

You need to try to brush up on facts.

No, you need to brush up on your facts. Of the three schools closest to my house: One has 35%, one has 33% and the other has 25%. There are schools with up to 50% kids in AAP. That is a fact.

If you you know that the three schools closest to your home have these specific numbers, several things are true: (1) you live in a very specific area in the Western part of the county that's a TJ feeder zone, (2) you have way too much time on your hands, (3) which you spend on some weird obsession you have with a program that your child doesn't even attend, and (4) you would be a lot happier if you just moved somewhere like Lake Braddock. Or heck-- try a Stuart zoned school. Your kid will look like a rocket scientist by virtue of the fact they speak English. If your kids can't keep up, you should definately teach them that the solution is just to surround themselves with lower performing people.

^^ beyond any issues related to the children, here is another reason why people dislike AAP: the parents.

Because they can string together a coherent thought? Or because you have an inferiority complex?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

As a twenty something professional, before I had kids (and before I discovered DCUM), I knew about Fairfax and their gifted program. It's a draw. One of many, sure, but definitely one.

I've lived in Fairfax for over 20 years and DCUM is the only place where I've ever seen such concentrated antipathy against the AAP programs. Since it's an anonymous forum, it's not clear at all how many posters there actually are who dislike AAP so much or whether they even live in Fairfax.

oh boo f*cking hoo. What about the implicit antipathy toward the Gen Ed kids?

I live in the land of TJ crazy, and know no one who explicitly or implicitly looks down on GE kids. The GE kids I know are lovely kids with nice parents. I think you're projecting.

The implicit antipathy is the mere fact that the children are segregated and taught that one group is more elite than the other group. Do you not see this?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

As a twenty something professional, before I had kids (and before I discovered DCUM), I knew about Fairfax and their gifted program. It's a draw. One of many, sure, but definitely one.

I've lived in Fairfax for over 20 years and DCUM is the only place where I've ever seen such concentrated antipathy against the AAP programs. Since it's an anonymous forum, it's not clear at all how many posters there actually are who dislike AAP so much or whether they even live in Fairfax.

oh boo f*cking hoo. What about the implicit antipathy toward the Gen Ed kids?

I'm not the crybaby here, nor do I know why you'd conclude there is "implicit antipathy" towards the Gen Ed students who comprise a majority of the students in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

Why does the Western fringe of the county send the vast majority of the FCPS kids that go to TJ, rather than the areas much closer to the school? Why are the schools in that part of the county so full of AAP students? Because the tech industry, which idea depends heavily on Asian parents who worship all things education is there. Tech settles where it can get workers. And Asian tech workers move where their kids can get the best education. It could settle in MoCo, but doesn't.

Exactly. Loudoun knows this, which is why it plans to open another STEM school like TJ soon. Arlington and MoCo ignore it, which is why their schools punch below their weight.

[Anonymous]

My kids are aap
And i agree....there are mostly no gifted kids in the classes so my children's needs are not always met

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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame it's not just the top 2%. The current % is so disruptive to the whole system.

Top 2% of FCPS is not top 2% nationally. It's why the FCPS CogAT is not nationally normed. For perspective-- about 2% of each FCPS class is admitted to TJ.

Who cares nationally? Locally, it's causing a huge disruption and it's time to revisit the goal of AAP and also the approach. Something got lost along the way.

What has happened locally is that fcps AAP program and TJ have attracted a lot of families with high performing kids away from districts like Arlington & MC, which brings in more NMSFs, higher SATs, more prestige, etc, which attracts more educated, high achieving families which raises property valies which raises tax revenue for fcps.

+1. This. It's exactly doesn't Karen Garza has zero interest in getting rid of AAP. And why Fairfax County has a tech corridor.

It's utter hubris to declare that Fairfax County's tech corridor exists because of AAP. It would exist regardless. Plenty of highly-educated, professional parents live in Fairfax County and don't have kids in AAP.

As a twenty something professional, before I had kids (and before I discovered DCUM), I knew about Fairfax and their gifted program. It's a draw. One of many, sure, but definitely one.

I've lived in Fairfax for over 20 years and DCUM is the only place where I've ever seen such concentrated antipathy against the AAP programs. Since it's an anonymous forum, it's not clear at all how many posters there actually are who dislike AAP so much or whether they even live in Fairfax.

oh boo f*cking hoo. What about the implicit antipathy toward the Gen Ed kids?

I'm not the crybaby here, nor do I know why you'd conclude there is "implicit antipathy" towards the Gen Ed students who comprise a majority of the students in FCPS.

Yeah. I'm not sure I get it either. If 86% of kids are GE, how exactly are they facing hostility on all sides?

[Anonymous]

I'm afraid that logic and facts aren't going to work here. The rabid anti-AAP people have "feelings" and they "heard" things and here's numbers 56 percent, y'all!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm afraid that logic and facts aren't going to work here. The rabid anti-AAP people have "feelings" and they "heard" things and here's numbers 56 percent, y'all!!!!!

[Anonymous]

The funny part is, IRL, everyone seems to play together fine. On DCUM, the GE parents complain about how badly GE kids and parents are treated-- while saying really mean spirited nasty things about both. And the AAP parents take the high road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The funny part is, IRL, everyone seems to play together fine. On DCUM, the GE parents complain about how badly GE kids and parents are treated-- while saying really mean spirited nasty things about both. And the AAP parents take the high road.

DCUM is a place for whining. It does not represent reality.

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" Schools have between 25% - 50% gifted students across the board."

Very, very rare (meaning almost no schools are like this)

"Time and time again, those gifted in sports become our brilliant leaders of the future?"

Time and time again? Um, name 50 people in a American history who were "gifted" in sports who later became our "brilliant" leaders? I can't think of a single one. Reagan played football, but wasn't gifted in it. Schwartzenegger? Neither gifted as a bodybuilder nor a leader. Do name 50, please, which should be easily done if has happened time and time again.

You're using gross exaggerations which dilutes your message, which message has been rehashed extensively on this site.

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"But it is probably a saner system because most everyone who gets left behind in the home school is pretty bright too, and an excellent education isn't reserved only for those called gifted."

Eh....reality is that the regular MoCo system has no formal pathways for advanced instruction in ES aside from one chance to get jnto accelerated math for 4th/5th. This is also far from ideal. I think the best would be a combination of the two:
1) tiny centers for the crazy gifted or kids who are accelerated and at schools where there are not enough kids to create a class. MCPS does the former at least.
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2) structured curriculum for those kids who need more challenge but are not off the charts gifted. This is where MCPS fails and FCPS does better with the lower level aap levels.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When you have 25 - 50% in AAP, the term "gifted" has lost all meaning.

There are NOT 25-50% of fcps kids in AAP centers/level IV.

You need to try to brush up on facts.

No, you need to brush up on your facts. Of the three schools closest to my house: One has 35%, one has 33% and the other has 25%. There are schools with up to 50% kids in AAP. That is a fact.

If you you know that the three schools closest to your home have these specific numbers, several things are true: (1) you live in a very specific area in the Western part of the county that's a TJ feeder zone, (2) you have way too much time on your hands, (3) which you spend on some weird obsession you have with a program that your child doesn't even attend, and (4) you would be a lot happier if you just moved somewhere like Lake Braddock. Or heck-- try a Stuart zoned school. Your kid will look like a rocket scientist by virtue of the fact they speak English. If your kids can't keep up, you should definately teach them that the solution is just to surround themselves with lower performing people.

^^ beyond any issues related to the children, here is another reason why people dislike AAP: the parents.

Because they can string together a coherent thought? Or because you have an inferiority complex?

More examples of how AAP parents can be jerks. And racists too, it appears. Thanks for further demonstrating my point.

Why are you even posting on this thread? OP asked for people who think AAP is BS. Go work on your reading comprehension.