Afraid of backlash against Muslims

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My wife is half Syrian, half Iraqi. I am also a woman and we have a son. Last night she said "I've felt so much hatred against me for so long, either because I'm married to a woman or because I'm Middle Eastern. It makes me so angry." And I felt so, so sad. Didn't know what to say, except that it made me angry, too.

Thanks for sharing that.

What did she say about all the recent ISIS carnage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here, of course I denounce the attacks in Paris. I denounce all violence. And no I do not know the Muslim teachings they are using. That is not what I was taught when I went to Sunday School at a mosque in Boston when I was a kid.

I see what you did there.

You were asked a question about whether you disapproved of the radical Islamic violence, so of course you knew you had to say "yes."

But then you deliberately negated the impact of that disapproval by saying "I denounce all violence," attempting to make a moral equivalence between radical Islamic terrorism and I guess anything else you want. Meaning that you don't really think radical Islamic violence is any more significant than any other kind of violence. You denounce it the same way as you do "all" violence.

And then you imply you haven't been to a mosque since decades ago. So you're claiming ignorance of "modern" or "recent" Islamic jihadist doctrine. IOW you're an apologist for the Islamic terrorists, as almost every other Islamic person seems to be, who chooses to speak about it.

You just can't come straight out and denounce the recent radical Islamic violence and the ideology behind it, can you?

That's why Trump has traction.

Because of people like yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As an Iranian American Muslim living in the US for the past 35 years, this is the first time I'm personally feeling hate against all Muslims in general. I definitely didn't feel like this after 9/11. I think it has to do with the fact that 2 potential Presidential candidates are spewing hate against Muslims and the fact that one of them may be president next year. This is terrifying to me. Somehow the way that they are verbalizing this type of hate on national TV day in day out will give it credibility and give the impression that it's OK to be a racist...because hey our leaders are doing it.

What are you doing to calm the fears? Are you denouncing not only the terrorist acts of radical Muslims but also the Muslim teachings they use to motivate and rally their members?

How do you calm irrational fears? How can someone be responsible for another person's fears when those fears are disproportionate to any threat?

Instead I wonder why aren't we as a culture raising braver citizens? We are such cowards.

You can not calm the the fear toward radical Muslims. However, you can calm the unwarranted irrational fear toward non-radical Muslims. The key is to create a clear philosophical separation between the two. Currently the fear stems from the notion that radical Muslims and non-radical Muslims share a singular belief. The only thing separating the two is one group is willing to act out their belief and the other is not. It needs to be made clear that their beliefs are separate as well.

Well clearly that's what liberal Americans fervently want to believe. The problem is that there isn't really a clear distinction that you wish to believe there is. You'll almost never hear a "peaceful" Muslim person offer a clear cut, unequivocal denunciation of radical Islamic acts of violence. There will ALWAYS be rationalizations, excuses, and justifications for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you all feel paranoid but nothing has happened to you personally. But yet, we are not allowed to feel paranoid that something might happen to us here in the US by ISIS? Hate, bigotry and racism goes both ways but it is only a small minority.

Actually, the claim of "peaceful" Muslims that they're terrified of possible discrimination, and that should be the focal point of concern of Americans, rather than the actual murderous acts of radical Islamic terrorists, is all part of a rather broad propaganda campaign in which the "peaceful" Islamic folks indirectly support the violent radical Islamic groups.

They want people to feel guilty for being scared of the dangers of radical Islamic terrorists, that'll shame them into backing off from tougher security measures. Makes America a softer target.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you all feel paranoid but nothing has happened to you personally. But yet, we are not allowed to feel paranoid that something might happen to us here in the US by ISIS? Hate, bigotry and racism goes both ways but it is only a small minority.

Not the OP but of course you're allowed to feel paranoid about what ISIS might do. I'm paranoid about what ISIS might do. But we can worry about terrorists and not let our fears cause us to demonize millions of other people who have nothing to do with the terrorists.

On another note, ISIS wants the West to reject the refugees, which will alienate them from the West and drive them into the arms of ISIS. Giving into fear by refusing entry to 10,000 refugees is only letting the terrorists win. That's what the terrorists want in the long run.

LOL wat?

Are you actually claiming that simply because the U.S. might reject 10,000 Syrian peaceful refugees who only want to come to the U.S. in peace and start new peaceful lives here, they will be prone to turn into murderous radical Islamic thugs?

Check your logic circuit please, it seems to be missing.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you all feel paranoid but nothing has happened to you personally. But yet, we are not allowed to feel paranoid that something might happen to us here in the US by ISIS? Hate, bigotry and racism goes both ways but it is only a small minority.

Actually, the claim of "peaceful" Muslims that they're terrified of possible discrimination, and that should be the focal point of concern of Americans, rather than the actual murderous acts of radical Islamic terrorists, is all part of a rather broad propaganda campaign in which the "peaceful" Islamic folks indirectly support the violent radical Islamic groups.

They want people to feel guilty for being scared of the dangers of radical Islamic terrorists, that'll shame them into backing off from tougher security measures. Makes America a softer target.

Why are you putting "peaceful" in quotes? Do you approve of discrimination against innocent people? You seem to be justifying prejudice. Do you think that when people like you imply that there are no such thing as peaceful Muslims that you might encourage those who would do violence against them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As an Iranian American Muslim living in the US for the past 35 years, this is the first time I'm personally feeling hate against all Muslims in general. I definitely didn't feel like this after 9/11. I think it has to do with the fact that 2 potential Presidential candidates are spewing hate against Muslims and the fact that one of them may be president next year. This is terrifying to me. Somehow the way that they are verbalizing this type of hate on national TV day in day out will give it credibility and give the impression that it's OK to be a racist...because hey our leaders are doing it.

What are you doing to calm the fears? Are you denouncing not only the terrorist acts of radical Muslims but also the Muslim teachings they use to motivate and rally their members?

How do you calm irrational fears? How can someone be responsible for another person's fears when those fears are disproportionate to any threat?

Instead I wonder why aren't we as a culture raising braver citizens? We are such cowards.

You can not calm the the fear toward radical Muslims. However, you can calm the unwarranted irrational fear toward non-radical Muslims. The key is to create a clear philosophical separation between the two. Currently the fear stems from the notion that radical Muslims and non-radical Muslims share a singular belief. The only thing separating the two is one group is willing to act out their belief and the other is not. It needs to be made clear that their beliefs are separate as well.

Well clearly that's what liberal Americans fervently want to believe. The problem is that there isn't really a clear distinction that you wish to believe there is. You'll almost never hear a "peaceful" Muslim person offer a clear cut, unequivocal denunciation of radical Islamic acts of violence. There will ALWAYS be rationalizations, excuses, and justifications for it.

I have to agree. As an ex-Catholic who was sick of the hypocrisy, I can mirror your response. too many excuses, too much "hope" in reforming the church

You can't ever erase the fact that children were ALLOWED to be raped.

all excuses
all bullshit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As an Iranian American Muslim living in the US for the past 35 years, this is the first time I'm personally feeling hate against all Muslims in general. I definitely didn't feel like this after 9/11. I think it has to do with the fact that 2 potential Presidential candidates are spewing hate against Muslims and the fact that one of them may be president next year. This is terrifying to me. Somehow the way that they are verbalizing this type of hate on national TV day in day out will give it credibility and give the impression that it's OK to be a racist...because hey our leaders are doing it.

What are you doing to calm the fears? Are you denouncing not only the terrorist acts of radical Muslims but also the Muslim teachings they use to motivate and rally their members?

How do you calm irrational fears? How can someone be responsible for another person's fears when those fears are disproportionate to any threat?

Instead I wonder why aren't we as a culture raising braver citizens? We are such cowards.

You can not calm the the fear toward radical Muslims. However, you can calm the unwarranted irrational fear toward non-radical Muslims. The key is to create a clear philosophical separation between the two. Currently the fear stems from the notion that radical Muslims and non-radical Muslims share a singular belief. The only thing separating the two is one group is willing to act out their belief and the other is not. It needs to be made clear that their beliefs are separate as well.

Well clearly that's what liberal Americans fervently want to believe. The problem is that there isn't really a clear distinction that you wish to believe there is. You'll almost never hear a "peaceful" Muslim person offer a clear cut, unequivocal denunciation of radical Islamic acts of violence. There will ALWAYS be rationalizations, excuses, and justifications for it.

agreed. it makes me sick.

I have a lot of Muslim friends, but there is a code of silence. you never hear them denouncing the violence outright, just in very guarded terms.
. while I don't consider myself anti-islam, I will never defend the religion for this very reason, and I don't think it deserves to be given equal protection here in the us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here, of course I denounce the attacks in Paris. I denounce all violence. And no I do not know the Muslim teachings they are using. That is not what I was taught when I went to Sunday School at a mosque in Boston when I was a kid.

I see what you did there.

You were asked a question about whether you disapproved of the radical Islamic violence, so of course you knew you had to say "yes."

But then you deliberately negated the impact of that disapproval by saying "I denounce all violence," attempting to make a moral equivalence between radical Islamic terrorism and I guess anything else you want. Meaning that you don't really think radical Islamic violence is any more significant than any other kind of violence. You denounce it the same way as you do "all" violence.

And then you imply you haven't been to a mosque since decades ago. So you're claiming ignorance of "modern" or "recent" Islamic jihadist doctrine. IOW you're an apologist for the Islamic terrorists, as almost every other Islamic person seems to be, who chooses to speak about it.

You just can't come straight out and denounce the recent radical Islamic violence and the ideology behind it, can you?

That's why Trump has traction.

Because of people like yourself.

+10000. I don't think open or any of these nkn-violent Muslims will ever understand this though.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:As an Iranian American Muslim living in the US for the past 35 years, this is the first time I'm personally feeling hate against all Muslims in general. I definitely didn't feel like this after 9/11. I think it has to do with the fact that 2 potential Presidential candidates are spewing hate against Muslims and the fact that one of them may be president next year. This is terrifying to me. Somehow the way that they are verbalizing this type of hate on national TV day in day out will give it credibility and give the impression that it's OK to be a racist...because hey our leaders are doing it.

What are you doing to calm the fears? Are you denouncing not only the terrorist acts of radical Muslims but also the Muslim teachings they use to motivate and rally their members?

How do you calm irrational fears? How can someone be responsible for another person's fears when those fears are disproportionate to any threat?

Instead I wonder why aren't we as a culture raising braver citizens? We are such cowards.

You can not calm the the fear toward radical Muslims. However, you can calm the unwarranted irrational fear toward non-radical Muslims. The key is to create a clear philosophical separation between the two. Currently the fear stems from the notion that radical Muslims and non-radical Muslims share a singular belief. The only thing separating the two is one group is willing to act out their belief and the other is not. It needs to be made clear that their beliefs are separate as well.

Well clearly that's what liberal Americans fervently want to believe. The problem is that there isn't really a clear distinction that you wish to believe there is. You'll almost never hear a "peaceful" Muslim person offer a clear cut, unequivocal denunciation of radical Islamic acts of violence. There will ALWAYS be rationalizations, excuses, and justifications for it.

agreed. it makes me sick.

I have a lot of Muslim friends, but there is a code of silence. you never hear them denouncing the violence outright, just in very guarded terms.
. while I don't consider myself anti-islam, I will never defend the religion for this very reason, and I don't think it deserves to be given equal protection here in the us.

You guys must be having out with the wrong Muslims. I hear clear cut denunciation of radical Islamic acts of violence all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:American citizens are right to hault the Syrian refugees without knowing more about vetting. However, the genie is out of the bottle now. Europeans can freely enter our country, and they were the attackers in Paris.

We've had 300 killed and injured in mass shooter incidents this year in the U.S. Of those, four deaths and three injuries were caused by Muslims. Draw Muhammad and the Chatanooga Navy recruitment center. Statistically, we are most at risk by run-of-the-mill young, white, non-Muslim men. Based on 2015 stats, we each have about a 0.000002% risk of being killed or injured by an Islamic terrorist. Fewer than 20 Americans are killed worldwide by terrorists each year, and that includes in war zones. Is it really worth shutting down an existing refugee program that has a 2 year vetting process because of such an almost-insignificant risk?

Over 300 have been murdered in Baltimore this year already but it's ignored as it's mostly black on black crime and contradicts the SJW narrative.

Of course it's "worth it" to shut down an existing refugee program. We don't have any obligation to Syrian refugees. It's a costly program and adds risk. Perhaps if these Syrian refugees had to make due in their own country they would be forced to fight back against radical Islam.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As an Iranian American Muslim living in the US for the past 35 years, this is the first time I'm personally feeling hate against all Muslims in general. I definitely didn't feel like this after 9/11. I think it has to do with the fact that 2 potential Presidential candidates are spewing hate against Muslims and the fact that one of them may be president next year. This is terrifying to me. Somehow the way that they are verbalizing this type of hate on national TV day in day out will give it credibility and give the impression that it's OK to be a racist...because hey our leaders are doing it.

What are you doing to calm the fears? Are you denouncing not only the terrorist acts of radical Muslims but also the Muslim teachings they use to motivate and rally their members?

How do you calm irrational fears? How can someone be responsible for another person's fears when those fears are disproportionate to any threat?

Instead I wonder why aren't we as a culture raising braver citizens? We are such cowards.

You can not calm the the fear toward radical Muslims. However, you can calm the unwarranted irrational fear toward non-radical Muslims. The key is to create a clear philosophical separation between the two. Currently the fear stems from the notion that radical Muslims and non-radical Muslims share a singular belief. The only thing separating the two is one group is willing to act out their belief and the other is not. It needs to be made clear that their beliefs are separate as well.

Well clearly that's what liberal Americans fervently want to believe. The problem is that there isn't really a clear distinction that you wish to believe there is. You'll almost never hear a "peaceful" Muslim person offer a clear cut, unequivocal denunciation of radical Islamic acts of violence. There will ALWAYS be rationalizations, excuses, and justifications for it.

I have to agree. As an ex-Catholic who was sick of the hypocrisy, I can mirror your response. too many excuses, too much "hope" in reforming the church

You can't ever erase the fact that children were ALLOWED to be raped.

all excuses
all bullshit

But those were extreme Catholics who were not following the teachings of the Catholic church.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:As an Iranian American Muslim living in the US for the past 35 years, this is the first time I'm personally feeling hate against all Muslims in general. I definitely didn't feel like this after 9/11. I think it has to do with the fact that 2 potential Presidential candidates are spewing hate against Muslims and the fact that one of them may be president next year. This is terrifying to me. Somehow the way that they are verbalizing this type of hate on national TV day in day out will give it credibility and give the impression that it's OK to be a racist...because hey our leaders are doing it.

What are you doing to calm the fears? Are you denouncing not only the terrorist acts of radical Muslims but also the Muslim teachings they use to motivate and rally their members?

How do you calm irrational fears? How can someone be responsible for another person's fears when those fears are disproportionate to any threat?

Instead I wonder why aren't we as a culture raising braver citizens? We are such cowards.

You can not calm the the fear toward radical Muslims. However, you can calm the unwarranted irrational fear toward non-radical Muslims. The key is to create a clear philosophical separation between the two. Currently the fear stems from the notion that radical Muslims and non-radical Muslims share a singular belief. The only thing separating the two is one group is willing to act out their belief and the other is not. It needs to be made clear that their beliefs are separate as well.

Well clearly that's what liberal Americans fervently want to believe. The problem is that there isn't really a clear distinction that you wish to believe there is. You'll almost never hear a "peaceful" Muslim person offer a clear cut, unequivocal denunciation of radical Islamic acts of violence. There will ALWAYS be rationalizations, excuses, and justifications for it.

agreed. it makes me sick.

I have a lot of Muslim friends, but there is a code of silence. you never hear them denouncing the violence outright, just in very guarded terms.
. while I don't consider myself anti-islam, I will never defend the religion for this very reason, and I don't think it deserves to be given equal protection here in the us.

You guys must be having out with the wrong Muslims. I hear clear cut denunciation of radical Islamic acts of violence all the time.

You mean like what was previously posted in this thread? Do you understand the difference between "equivocal" and "unequivocal"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:20 Americans a year killed in terrorist incidents.

100 American children a year drowning in bath tubs.

Where is the outrage against bath tubs?

If you want to start a separate thread advocating that children stop bathing, please be my guest.

However, it's a complete non sequitur i.e. not logical related to the topic under discussion.

Pure SJW logic.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:As an Iranian American Muslim living in the US for the past 35 years, this is the first time I'm personally feeling hate against all Muslims in general. I definitely didn't feel like this after 9/11. I think it has to do with the fact that 2 potential Presidential candidates are spewing hate against Muslims and the fact that one of them may be president next year. This is terrifying to me. Somehow the way that they are verbalizing this type of hate on national TV day in day out will give it credibility and give the impression that it's OK to be a racist...because hey our leaders are doing it.

What are you doing to calm the fears? Are you denouncing not only the terrorist acts of radical Muslims but also the Muslim teachings they use to motivate and rally their members?

How do you calm irrational fears? How can someone be responsible for another person's fears when those fears are disproportionate to any threat?

Instead I wonder why aren't we as a culture raising braver citizens? We are such cowards.

You can not calm the the fear toward radical Muslims. However, you can calm the unwarranted irrational fear toward non-radical Muslims. The key is to create a clear philosophical separation between the two. Currently the fear stems from the notion that radical Muslims and non-radical Muslims share a singular belief. The only thing separating the two is one group is willing to act out their belief and the other is not. It needs to be made clear that their beliefs are separate as well.

Well clearly that's what liberal Americans fervently want to believe. The problem is that there isn't really a clear distinction that you wish to believe there is. You'll almost never hear a "peaceful" Muslim person offer a clear cut, unequivocal denunciation of radical Islamic acts of violence. There will ALWAYS be rationalizations, excuses, and justifications for it.

agreed. it makes me sick.

I have a lot of Muslim friends, but there is a code of silence. you never hear them denouncing the violence outright, just in very guarded terms.
. while I don't consider myself anti-islam, I will never defend the religion for this very reason, and I don't think it deserves to be given equal protection here in the us.

You guys must be having out with the wrong Muslims. I hear clear cut denunciation of radical Islamic acts of violence all the time.

You mean like what was previously posted in this thread? Do you understand the difference between "equivocal" and "unequivocal"?

This thread was started by a Muslim who was worried about a backlash from people like you. Your reaction was to put her on trial. I repeat, if you do not hear unequivocal denunciations of radical Islamic acts of violence, you need to broaden your horizons. If your normal reaction to Muslims is to hold them guilty until they prove their innocence, then no wonder you don't get the reaction for which you hoped.