Minimum Wage = Living Wage?

[Anonymous]

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I am not against a min wage because I know human nature, and I have a heart.

But not so much of a heart as to think the min. wage should be a living wage?

The min wage should be what it is...minimum.

If you need more to live on, which is very likely, then your time should be spent coming up with a solution as oppsoed to sitting around whining about what someone is not doing for you.

I will freely give out information on how to make more money. I have spent so much time trying to help people in that way. It is a waste because most people don't want the power of information....they want a hand out. Yet, I still try just in case.

So the only excuse is a lack of information. Maybe you never thought to get a second job, maybe you didn't know you could get on elance or odesk and make some pocket change. Perhaps it never occured to you to start offering a service on the side. Maybe you didn't know that just about everyone has a talent that someone is willing to pay for.

That is what people need...knowledge and action behind it. They do not need to sit around and tell me how I should spend the money my business has earned.

If I choose to be generous with wages then that is great, I should. But that is my choice to make. You can make your own choices when you get to my level.

Do you view a living wage as generous? How do you justify, in that big heart of yours, being anything other than generous to the workers that make your business what it is? What do you mean by "get to your level"? Are you better than people who make less money than you? Are you better than the employees who are the backbone of your business? Don't you think its an utter embarrassment that in this great country of ours, one of the richest in the world, we have people working full time jobs unable to feed themselves or keep a roof over their heads? All this while people like yourself count your millions that you earned, yes with hard work on your own part, but also through the hard work, blood, sweat, and tears of a lot of people that work for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am not against a min wage because I know human nature, and I have a heart.

But not so much of a heart as to think the min. wage should be a living wage?

The min wage should be what it is...minimum.

If you need more to live on, which is very likely, then your time should be spent coming up with a solution as oppsoed to sitting around whining about what someone is not doing for you.

I will freely give out information on how to make more money. I have spent so much time trying to help people in that way. It is a waste because most people don't want the power of information....they want a hand out. Yet, I still try just in case.

So the only excuse is a lack of information. Maybe you never thought to get a second job, maybe you didn't know you could get on elance or odesk and make some pocket change. Perhaps it never occured to you to start offering a service on the side. Maybe you didn't know that just about everyone has a talent that someone is willing to pay for.

That is what people need...knowledge and action behind it. They do not need to sit around and tell me how I should spend the money my employees have earned me.

If I choose to be generous with wages then that is great, I should. But that is my choice to make. You can make your own choices when you get to my level.

Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am not against a min wage because I know human nature, and I have a heart.

But not so much of a heart as to think the min. wage should be a living wage?

The min wage should be what it is...minimum.

If you need more to live on, which is very likely, then your time should be spent coming up with a solution as oppsoed to sitting around whining about what someone is not doing for you.

I will freely give out information on how to make more money. I have spent so much time trying to help people in that way. It is a waste because most people don't want the power of information....they want a hand out. Yet, I still try just in case.

So the only excuse is a lack of information. Maybe you never thought to get a second job, maybe you didn't know you could get on elance or odesk and make some pocket change. Perhaps it never occured to you to start offering a service on the side. Maybe you didn't know that just about everyone has a talent that someone is willing to pay for.

That is what people need...knowledge and action behind it. They do not need to sit around and tell me how I should spend the money my employees have earned me.

If I choose to be generous with wages then that is great, I should. But that is my choice to make. You can make your own choices when you get to my level.

Fixed that for you.

Not the PP, but would the employees have a job if businesses are not started? Do you feel all businesses should be non-profit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am not against a min wage because I know human nature, and I have a heart.

But not so much of a heart as to think the min. wage should be a living wage?

The min wage should be what it is...minimum.

If you need more to live on, which is very likely, then your time should be spent coming up with a solution as oppsoed to sitting around whining about what someone is not doing for you.

I will freely give out information on how to make more money. I have spent so much time trying to help people in that way. It is a waste because most people don't want the power of information....they want a hand out. Yet, I still try just in case.

So the only excuse is a lack of information. Maybe you never thought to get a second job, maybe you didn't know you could get on elance or odesk and make some pocket change. Perhaps it never occured to you to start offering a service on the side. Maybe you didn't know that just about everyone has a talent that someone is willing to pay for.

That is what people need...knowledge and action behind it. They do not need to sit around and tell me how I should spend the money my business has earned.

If I choose to be generous with wages then that is great, I should. But that is my choice to make. You can make your own choices when you get to my level.

Do you view a living wage as generous? How do you justify, in that big heart of yours, being anything other than generous to the workers that make your business what it is? What do you mean by "get to your level"? Are you better than people who make less money than you? Are you better than the employees who are the backbone of your business? Don't you think its an utter embarrassment that in this great country of ours, one of the richest in the world, we have people working full time jobs unable to feed themselves or keep a roof over their heads? All this while people like yourself count your millions that you earned, yes with hard work on your own part, but also through the hard work, blood, sweat, and tears of a lot of people that work for you.

Not the PP but:

Yes, the PP IS better than these people - he started a business and has the ability to hire. Seems to me the people he hires could do the same. They don't. So yes, PP Is better than them. If they work hard, they too can achieve what the PP has. What? You say that the employees have made poor choices and therefore can't achieve what the PP has? Well then, I guess they are paying for their choices.

No I don't feel that it's an utter embarrassment. Know what an utter embarrassment is? People with three baby-daddies. People who father kids with multiple women. A government who would rather pay people to do nothing, just to garner votes. l

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People who know nothing about economics, an the supply and demand of labor prattling on about raising the minimum wage and forcing an arbitrary standard of "living wage". It'll just make goods and services too expensive for the poor to afford. Companies will hire less people and we'll have more unemployment. Only q fool would believe that companies won't lay off people, use more tech and other one time costs to cut down on costs. But then again most of you work for the government and live off the teet of the American tax paying public.

The minimum wage is supposed to be a living wage. It used to be a living wage. How come it used to be a living wage, and economic disaster did not ensue, but now if we had a living wage, economic disaster would ensue?

On what planet was our minimum wage a living wage?

I earned around $3.50/hour minimum wage full time (40-55 hours/week) as a high school kid around 20 years ago. I promise you that minimum wage was not a living wage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who know nothing about economics, an the supply and demand of labor prattling on about raising the minimum wage and forcing an arbitrary standard of "living wage". It'll just make goods and services too expensive for the poor to afford. Companies will hire less people and we'll have more unemployment. Only q fool would believe that companies won't lay off people, use more tech and other one time costs to cut down on costs. But then again most of you work for the government and live off the teet of the American tax paying public.

The minimum wage is supposed to be a living wage. It used to be a living wage. How come it used to be a living wage, and economic disaster did not ensue, but now if we had a living wage, economic disaster would ensue?

On what planet was our minimum wage a living wage?

I earned around $3.50/hour minimum wage full time (40-55 hours/week) as a high school kid around 20 years ago. I promise you that minimum wage was not a living wage.

The PP was clearly attending too many OWS meetings You are correct - minimum wage was never a living wage.

[Anonymous]

This is the problem in the US today: a sense of entitlement that employers and/or the government owe them a living wage.

It is nothing of the sort: you need to achieve financial independence through education, developing skills, working one or more jobs, etc. No business owes an employee a "living wage" - whatever that means. You need to earn it.

If your employer does not pay you enough find one who does. If you can't find one who will pay you more it means that is all you are worth. Attain the skills to earn more.

End of story!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am not against a min wage because I know human nature, and I have a heart.

But not so much of a heart as to think the min. wage should be a living wage?

The min wage should be what it is...minimum.

If you need more to live on, which is very likely, then your time should be spent coming up with a solution as oppsoed to sitting around whining about what someone is not doing for you.

I will freely give out information on how to make more money. I have spent so much time trying to help people in that way. It is a waste because most people don't want the power of information....they want a hand out. Yet, I still try just in case.

So the only excuse is a lack of information. Maybe you never thought to get a second job, maybe you didn't know you could get on elance or odesk and make some pocket change. Perhaps it never occured to you to start offering a service on the side. Maybe you didn't know that just about everyone has a talent that someone is willing to pay for.

That is what people need...knowledge and action behind it. They do not need to sit around and tell me how I should spend the money my business has earned.

If I choose to be generous with wages then that is great, I should. But that is my choice to make. You can make your own choices when you get to my level.

Do you view a living wage as generous? How do you justify, in that big heart of yours, being anything other than generous to the workers that make your business what it is? What do you mean by "get to your level"? Are you better than people who make less money than you? Are you better than the employees who are the backbone of your business? Don't you think its an utter embarrassment that in this great country of ours, one of the richest in the world, we have people working full time jobs unable to feed themselves or keep a roof over their heads? All this while people like yourself count your millions that you earned, yes with hard work on your own part, but also through the hard work, blood, sweat, and tears of a lot of people that work for you.

Not the PP but:

Yes, the PP IS better than these people - he started a business and has the ability to hire. Seems to me the people he hires could do the same. They don't. So yes, PP Is better than them. If they work hard, they too can achieve what the PP has. What? You say that the employees have made poor choices and therefore can't achieve what the PP has? Well then, I guess they are paying for their choices.

No I don't feel that it's an utter embarrassment. Know what an utter embarrassment is? People with three baby-daddies. People who father kids with multiple women. A government who would rather pay people to do nothing, just to garner votes. l

Why are those things embarrassing? Because they are moral failings in your opinion? Allowing others to starve while you count the stacks of money you earned on their backs isn't an embarrassing moral failing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am not against a min wage because I know human nature, and I have a heart.

But not so much of a heart as to think the min. wage should be a living wage?

The min wage should be what it is...minimum.

If you need more to live on, which is very likely, then your time should be spent coming up with a solution as oppsoed to sitting around whining about what someone is not doing for you.

I will freely give out information on how to make more money. I have spent so much time trying to help people in that way. It is a waste because most people don't want the power of information....they want a hand out. Yet, I still try just in case.

So the only excuse is a lack of information. Maybe you never thought to get a second job, maybe you didn't know you could get on elance or odesk and make some pocket change. Perhaps it never occured to you to start offering a service on the side. Maybe you didn't know that just about everyone has a talent that someone is willing to pay for.

That is what people need...knowledge and action behind it. They do not need to sit around and tell me how I should spend the money my employees have earned me.

If I choose to be generous with wages then that is great, I should. But that is my choice to make. You can make your own choices when you get to my level.

Fixed that for you.

Not the PP, but would the employees have a job if businesses are not started? Do you feel all businesses should be non-profit?

Does that fact change the fact that a business owner makes their money off of the work of their employees? And yet they feel no responsibility toward them? No one is saying they should make as much as you. But they should be able to eat don't you think? Why would it be so awful for the Walmart mukety mucks to make one less billion so their employees don't need food stamps? Its greed, plain and simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am not against a min wage because I know human nature, and I have a heart.

But not so much of a heart as to think the min. wage should be a living wage?

The min wage should be what it is...minimum.

If you need more to live on, which is very likely, then your time should be spent coming up with a solution as oppsoed to sitting around whining about what someone is not doing for you.

I will freely give out information on how to make more money. I have spent so much time trying to help people in that way. It is a waste because most people don't want the power of information....they want a hand out. Yet, I still try just in case.

So the only excuse is a lack of information. Maybe you never thought to get a second job, maybe you didn't know you could get on elance or odesk and make some pocket change. Perhaps it never occured to you to start offering a service on the side. Maybe you didn't know that just about everyone has a talent that someone is willing to pay for.

That is what people need...knowledge and action behind it. They do not need to sit around and tell me how I should spend the money my employees have earned me.

If I choose to be generous with wages then that is great, I should. But that is my choice to make. You can make your own choices when you get to my level.

Fixed that for you.

Not the PP, but would the employees have a job if businesses are not started? Do you feel all businesses should be non-profit?

Does that fact change the fact that a business owner makes their money off of the work of their employees? And yet they feel no responsibility toward them? No one is saying they should make as much as you. But they should be able to eat don't you think? Why would it be so awful for the Walmart mukety mucks to make one less billion so their employees don't need food stamps? Its greed, plain and simple.

It is greed. And that is their choice to be that way. They are not tricking anyone. You know what your expenses are, and you know what the job pays. So this is where personal responsibility comes in. You use that job as a tool to get a better job, you work that job and find a side job, you work that job and start a side business, or you pass entirely if you feel you can get a better job.

Take some kind of action besides playing the victim.

People go into business, to run a business. It is not a charity. An owners responsibility is to be honest, respectful, and I would even say fair. If you are getting paid $8 hour that is most likely very fair for the job you are doing. If you feel it is not....go back to the circle of taking some action that will actually get you somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the problem in the US today: a sense of entitlement that employers and/or the government owe them a living wage.

It is nothing of the sort: you need to achieve financial independence through education, developing skills, working one or more jobs, etc. No business owes an employee a "living wage" - whatever that means. You need to earn it.

If your employer does not pay you enough find one who does. If you can't find one who will pay you more it means that is all you are worth. Attain the skills to earn more.

End of story!

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am not against a min wage because I know human nature, and I have a heart.

But not so much of a heart as to think the min. wage should be a living wage?

The min wage should be what it is...minimum.

If you need more to live on, which is very likely, then your time should be spent coming up with a solution as oppsoed to sitting around whining about what someone is not doing for you.

I will freely give out information on how to make more money. I have spent so much time trying to help people in that way. It is a waste because most people don't want the power of information....they want a hand out. Yet, I still try just in case.

So the only excuse is a lack of information. Maybe you never thought to get a second job, maybe you didn't know you could get on elance or odesk and make some pocket change. Perhaps it never occured to you to start offering a service on the side. Maybe you didn't know that just about everyone has a talent that someone is willing to pay for.

That is what people need...knowledge and action behind it. They do not need to sit around and tell me how I should spend the money my employees have earned me.

If I choose to be generous with wages then that is great, I should. But that is my choice to make. You can make your own choices when you get to my level.

Fixed that for you.

Not the PP, but would the employees have a job if businesses are not started? Do you feel all businesses should be non-profit?

Does that fact change the fact that a business owner makes their money off of the work of their employees? And yet they feel no responsibility toward them? No one is saying they should make as much as you. But they should be able to eat don't you think? Why would it be so awful for the Walmart mukety mucks to make one less billion so their employees don't need food stamps? Its greed, plain and simple.

What are the workers going to do to earn the type of money that the Walmart executives make?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who know nothing about economics, an the supply and demand of labor prattling on about raising the minimum wage and forcing an arbitrary standard of "living wage". It'll just make goods and services too expensive for the poor to afford. Companies will hire less people and we'll have more unemployment. Only q fool would believe that companies won't lay off people, use more tech and other one time costs to cut down on costs. But then again most of you work for the government and live off the teet of the American tax paying public.

The minimum wage is supposed to be a living wage. It used to be a living wage. How come it used to be a living wage, and economic disaster did not ensue, but now if we had a living wage, economic disaster would ensue?

On what planet was our minimum wage a living wage?

I earned around $3.50/hour minimum wage full time (40-55 hours/week) as a high school kid around 20 years ago. I promise you that minimum wage was not a living wage.

20 years ago the federal minimum wage was $4.25 (1991-1996).

But, anyway, here are historical minimum wage rates, adjusted for inflation:

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth484/minwage.html

So, in today's dollars, when the minimum wage began in 1938, it was $4/hour. With regular adjustments for inflation, it reached a high of over $10/hour (in today's dollars) in 1968. Until the early 1980s, a full-time job at minimum wage produced a household income that was above the poverty level for a family of one adult and one child. It's been below the poverty level since then (except for maybe one year in 2009, when the minimum wage was raised to adjust for inflation).

http://www.epi.org/publication/bp357-federal-minimum-wage-increase/

[Anonymous]

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What are the workers going to do to earn the type of money that the Walmart executives make?

Good lord, what are the Walmart executives going to do to earn the type of money that the Walmart executives make? Nobody actually earns $20.7 million a year.

Plus I'm pretty sure that we could find a lot of people in China or Bangladesh who could do the job just as well for a lot less. Outsource the CEOs!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The min wage should be what it is...minimum.

If you need more to live on, which is very likely, then your time should be spent coming up with a solution as oppsoed to sitting around whining about what someone is not doing for you.

I will freely give out information on how to make more money. I have spent so much time trying to help people in that way. It is a waste because most people don't want the power of information....they want a hand out. Yet, I still try just in case.

So the only excuse is a lack of information. Maybe you never thought to get a second job, maybe you didn't know you could get on elance or odesk and make some pocket change. Perhaps it never occured to you to start offering a service on the side. Maybe you didn't know that just about everyone has a talent that someone is willing to pay for.

That is what people need...knowledge and action behind it. They do not need to sit around and tell me how I should spend the money my business has earned.

If I choose to be generous with wages then that is great, I should. But that is my choice to make. You can make your own choices when you get to my level.

Work week is 40 hours. Cannot get a 2nd job
Tried elance, no work there