Why is the media not covering ICE resistance in LA?

[Anonymous]

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The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Let's not "both sides" this. The democrats have supported workers rights and unionization....remember Ceasar Chavez and how he was crucified by republicans?

The democratic party you are wistfully referring to no longer exists. Democrats are now the party of the overeducated elites who look down their noses at blue-collar workers, sneer at flyover country, and mock the middle class when they said they were struggling the last few years.

We see who you are, not the idolized version you like to believe you are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Let's not "both sides" this. The democrats have supported workers rights and unionization....remember Ceasar Chavez and how he was crucified by republicans?

It is of course both sides. And the issue for Democrats is that Democratic voters, particularly the UMC voters that post here, love their quasi-slave labor agriculture.

Also, Cesar Chavez’s activism occurred before I was born and I have a kid in college now. If you have to go back to Cesar Chavez to mount such a weak partisan defense, you should know you’ve lost.

“Guys, we are sending masked unidentified Gestapo to kidnap people to HELP them. We are separating them from their families and sending them to foreign gulags FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! You guy just love strawberries so much that you won’t even support illegal abductions!!!”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hope anyone interfering with federal officers ends up arrested and charged with a crime.

+1

I support federal ICE workers.

+2

Me too.

you just keep replying to yourself right

[Anonymous]

Overstaying a lawfully issued visa is a mere technical violation.

No rational person can equate that to someone whose very first step onto American soil is a knowing, intentional, disrespectful violation of our country’s laws.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The chronically online have perpetuated a myth that law enforcement must produce a copy of an arrest warrant to any bystander who witnesses an arrest and that if law enforcement fails to do this, the arrest is illegal and the bystander is empowered to obstruct it. I have seen that myth repeated even on DCUM.

Law enforcement MUST have badges...a lot of these guys don't, or are not displaying them. That is a serious problem and hence why people are not complying, because they think they are being kidnapped.

Can you post a photo where an ICE officer isn't wearing a badge? I have not seen this.

Why are MAGA so blind? There have literally been video after video of this.

[Anonymous]

ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A bunch of boot tasters in the house!

Yum Yummy, right?

The MAGAs love them some deep state authoritarians, and what do you know, the Democrats stand for liberty, as usual.

Half of the “agents” are bounty hunters or criminal J6 pedos, so good luck with all that.

I assume you are the OP.

In any event, your hysterical posts are examples of mental illness on full display.

I'm not the OP but I think all you MAGA have some serious mental health issues and in case no one has told you today you are in a cult. MAGa should be ashamed of themselves if they think what is going on in AMERICA is ok. But we all know your type cares abut no one...until something happens to of your family members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The left has a long history of making miscreants into martyrs to sew division and hate.

you spelled MAGA wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Native born Americans are not up to working in the fields and slaughterhouses, no matter how much you pay. And the more you pay the workers, the higher food prices are, so catch-22. Yes, in Adam Smith's world, the conservative view you express is accurate, but that isn't reality in the USA in 2025.

You are up your own ass with stupidity. Native-born Americans work in construction, on oil rigs, and on fishing boats--labor intensive, dangerous jobs where the pay is still good--but you think we won't harvest crops or slaughter animals for good wages?

Who the hell do you think did all this work before arrogant white people like you opened the floodgates of undocumented immigration so you could avoid paying a fair wage?

Then tell all those red state farm owners to get off the dime and "hire their own" with real wages and benefits. They are not democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

oh look someone has fox talking points for the day. Good job little MAGA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Breaking up concrete in the city to give them blocks to throw at law enforcement.

This is setting up ICE to ignore due process when they ramp up. Right now they are focusing a lot on people with final removal orders, who have no more due process to get.

With all this violence, they will have the excuse to just ignore immigration court process and any claims people want to make about torture or credible fear.

They were already ignoring due process, which is why people are angry. ICE started this.

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Anonymous wrote:Ice should be spending its time and energy in the states that voted for Mass deportations. Red State voters want action in their own States close to their own homes. I don't think they're paying taxes to have their own states ignored.

Red stater here and I agree. I think that we should let NYC and LA deal with the situation they created and then clean house in places like Atlanta, Dallas, New Orleans, Nashville, etc.

Problem is that the migrants don’t stay in the blue states.

They will be deterred from entering if they know they will be arrested here. In CA, they can steal and assault people without consequence, AND will be given free room, board, healthcare and a phone. Why would they bother coming to a red state?

Go home ice. Go back to your red States. The blue states don't need you or want you. You have dozens and dozens of red states that want you so go respond to the voters and go red. This is not difficult to understand.

A rare moment of bipartisan agreement. I've seen no arrests or ICE activity whatsoever in the southeast. It sounds like in California, they need to arrest all the illegals and then also arrest the antigovernment domestic terrorists kidnapping federal workers.

California clearly did not vote for this, need this or want this. Hit up the Southeast. I agree

California is turning red in 2028. No doubt about it.

good one

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Breaking up concrete in the city to give them blocks to throw at law enforcement.

This is setting up ICE to ignore due process when they ramp up. Right now they are focusing a lot on people with final removal orders, who have no more due process to get.

With all this violence, they will have the excuse to just ignore immigration court process and any claims people want to make about torture or credible fear.

They were already ignoring due process, which is why people are angry. ICE started this.

ICE are federal workers.

Do you support federal workers? (I do).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've lived in a very blue area and now I live in a red-ish area. I've realized that we talk about these places as though they are two different sides. They aren't- they are competing economic models that threaten each other.

The red states have a model with lower wages but lower cost of living, and much less of an economic safety net. This works well for most people, most of the time, if their aim is to establish a life of work and productivity. For example, our landscaper started his business at age 12, kept his clients, and now runs a full-service landscaping and contracting business. He's a local guy and makes enough money to support his family on one income, in a nice house with a pool.

This was a stunning discovery for me, because where I'm from in Montgomery County, MD, people don't grow up to be successful landscapers, or housekeepers, or nannies. You cannot earn enough money to support yourself on these types of jobs because you're competing with an underclass of immigrant workers who do the work for much less. These immigrants provide the base-load of labor necessary for us to power the rest of the system. It's basically exploitation, but, since it allows us to be able to say, well we protect our people with a safety net during illness and unemployment, people feel good about it.

But this is unappealing to red staters because you're asking them to give up a system that is working for them. And one in which people all across the spectrum of talent and intellect can have a good life. And that red state system is unappealing to blue states, who want the cheap labor to keep the system of higher wages and safety nets working for citizens. No one wants their system disrupted, and that's why this issue of illegal immigration is so contentious. Red states need immigration rules enforced to protect their way of life while blue states need them ignored for the same reason.

Because they are getting more from the federal government than they are paying in, so the blue states, which get less back from teh government than they pay in, are subsidizing that "lower cost of living" - maybe it is time for the red states to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and pay their own way, rather than freeloading off the federal teat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've lived in a very blue area and now I live in a red-ish area. I've realized that we talk about these places as though they are two different sides. They aren't- they are competing economic models that threaten each other.

The red states have a model with lower wages but lower cost of living, and much less of an economic safety net. This works well for most people, most of the time, if their aim is to establish a life of work and productivity. For example, our landscaper started his business at age 12, kept his clients, and now runs a full-service landscaping and contracting business. He's a local guy and makes enough money to support his family on one income, in a nice house with a pool.

This was a stunning discovery for me, because where I'm from in Montgomery County, MD, people don't grow up to be successful landscapers, or housekeepers, or nannies. You cannot earn enough money to support yourself on these types of jobs because you're competing with an underclass of immigrant workers who do the work for much less. These immigrants provide the base-load of labor necessary for us to power the rest of the system. It's basically exploitation, but, since it allows us to be able to say, well we protect our people with a safety net during illness and unemployment, people feel good about it.

But this is unappealing to red staters because you're asking them to give up a system that is working for them. And one in which people all across the spectrum of talent and intellect can have a good life. And that red state system is unappealing to blue states, who want the cheap labor to keep the system of higher wages and safety nets working for citizens. No one wants their system disrupted, and that's why this issue of illegal immigration is so contentious. Red states need immigration rules enforced to protect their way of life while blue states need them ignored for the same reason.

This is an excellent post that highlights how dependent on exploiting immigrants and people of color the so-called righteous Democrats of the blue states are.

So nobody from the south has ever eaten a strawberry? Every maid in Georgia is white?