APS Board & Duran Proposing to Dissolve Integration Station

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why they couldn't fill the CPP spots in elementary schools. It's like the Hunger Games to get your kids into preschool around here, or at least it was a few years ago when we looked.

It’s an APS schedule which sucks if you work for anywhere but APS

can't they use extended day just like everyone else has to?

it’s the closures

what?

Parent teacher conferences, grade prep days etc. They don’t have extended day on those days.

Well they need to deal with this when their kids are in kinder and up, so why such a big deal for preK?

Because Kinder and up is free and so you’re only having to pay camps/aftercare and not tuition on top of that.

Plus there are fewer backup care/camp options for those under 5 in part due to licensing and ratio issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why they couldn't fill the CPP spots in elementary schools. It's like the Hunger Games to get your kids into preschool around here, or at least it was a few years ago when we looked.

It’s an APS schedule which sucks if you work for anywhere but APS

can't they use extended day just like everyone else has to?

it’s the closures

what?

Parent teacher conferences, grade prep days etc. They don’t have extended day on those days.

Having been in a county where outside companies ran extended day, the nice part is that they were usually open on those days. So, the kids were going to day care on teacher work days which helped.

Another recommendation of the report was to outsource extended day so it might happen for APS too

Not going to derail the thread but that extended day recommendation made no sense to me. How does outsourcing a program that is supposed to be paid by fees and struggles with meeting demand as it is “save money” by giving it to a private entity that has to pay at least the same plus pay rental fees to APS and turn some kind of a profit?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why they couldn't fill the CPP spots in elementary schools. It's like the Hunger Games to get your kids into preschool around here, or at least it was a few years ago when we looked.

It’s an APS schedule which sucks if you work for anywhere but APS

can't they use extended day just like everyone else has to?

it’s the closures

what?

Parent teacher conferences, grade prep days etc. They don’t have extended day on those days.

Having been in a county where outside companies ran extended day, the nice part is that they were usually open on those days. So, the kids were going to day care on teacher work days which helped.

Another recommendation of the report was to outsource extended day so it might happen for APS too

Not going to derail the thread but that extended day recommendation made no sense to me. How does outsourcing a program that is supposed to be paid by fees and struggles with meeting demand as it is “save money” by giving it to a private entity that has to pay at least the same plus pay rental fees to APS and turn some kind of a profit?

The recommendation is based on neighboring school systems. FCPS does it this way and it costs less. I’m skeptical the FCPS would tolerate cutting corners, so they must be more cost effective somehow.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why they couldn't fill the CPP spots in elementary schools. It's like the Hunger Games to get your kids into preschool around here, or at least it was a few years ago when we looked.

It’s an APS schedule which sucks if you work for anywhere but APS

can't they use extended day just like everyone else has to?

it’s the closures

what?

Parent teacher conferences, grade prep days etc. They don’t have extended day on those days.

Having been in a county where outside companies ran extended day, the nice part is that they were usually open on those days. So, the kids were going to day care on teacher work days which helped.

Another recommendation of the report was to outsource extended day so it might happen for APS too

Not going to derail the thread but that extended day recommendation made no sense to me. How does outsourcing a program that is supposed to be paid by fees and struggles with meeting demand as it is “save money” by giving it to a private entity that has to pay at least the same plus pay rental fees to APS and turn some kind of a profit?

The recommendation is based on neighboring school systems. FCPS does it this way and it costs less. I’m skeptical the FCPS would tolerate cutting corners, so they must be more cost effective somehow.

SACC is run by Fairfax County rather than the schools, so obviously that would cost the schools less money. I can’t find anything that says the county outsources it further. It talks about its staff being qualified…

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Anonymous wrote:There are teachers all over social media using their real names, showing their real faces, sharing that inclusion at all costs is making their jobs hell.

This isn't even an argument of inclusion or not, it's about if they need a separate school to do it

It is though. The argument is that if the ratios aren’t exactly perfect, these pre-k students won’t be in the LRE.

Many examples of LRE are actively harming the rest of the student population.

So kids whose parents are choosing to put them in a particular preschool are being harmed by having iep preschoolers included? TCS is not free so presumably if it was a hellscape of disabled 3 year olds terrorizing the rest of the student population they would vote with their feet. So your irrelevant to this discussion point seems to be just that it would be better for everyone to do away with inclusion.

Switching preschools is usually very difficult and tcs is cheaper than many.

It’s not that hard to switch preschools after age 2 because of the ratio changes. Also you clearly don’t know anyone who has complained about this from TCS. But got it you worry that your kid might catch a developmental disorder from being too close to a preschooler with an iep.

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Does APS subsidize TCS?

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Anonymous wrote:There are teachers all over social media using their real names, showing their real faces, sharing that inclusion at all costs is making their jobs hell.

This isn't even an argument of inclusion or not, it's about if they need a separate school to do it

It is though. The argument is that if the ratios aren’t exactly perfect, these pre-k students won’t be in the LRE.

Many examples of LRE are actively harming the rest of the student population.

So kids whose parents are choosing to put them in a particular preschool are being harmed by having iep preschoolers included? TCS is not free so presumably if it was a hellscape of disabled 3 year olds terrorizing the rest of the student population they would vote with their feet. So your irrelevant to this discussion point seems to be just that it would be better for everyone to do away with inclusion.

Switching preschools is usually very difficult and tcs is cheaper than many.

It’s not that hard to switch preschools after age 2 because of the ratio changes. Also you clearly don’t know anyone who has complained about this from TCS. But got it you worry that your kid might catch a developmental disorder from being too close to a preschooler with an iep.

Anything prior to 2 isnt preschool; it’s daycare. (And if your facility runs year round, its daycare no matter the age.) Preschool follows a typical school calendar.

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Anonymous wrote:There are teachers all over social media using their real names, showing their real faces, sharing that inclusion at all costs is making their jobs hell.

This isn't even an argument of inclusion or not, it's about if they need a separate school to do it

It is though. The argument is that if the ratios aren’t exactly perfect, these pre-k students won’t be in the LRE.

Many examples of LRE are actively harming the rest of the student population.

So kids whose parents are choosing to put them in a particular preschool are being harmed by having iep preschoolers included? TCS is not free so presumably if it was a hellscape of disabled 3 year olds terrorizing the rest of the student population they would vote with their feet. So your irrelevant to this discussion point seems to be just that it would be better for everyone to do away with inclusion.

Switching preschools is usually very difficult and tcs is cheaper than many.

It’s not that hard to switch preschools after age 2 because of the ratio changes. Also you clearly don’t know anyone who has complained about this from TCS. But got it you worry that your kid might catch a developmental disorder from being too close to a preschooler with an iep.

Anything prior to 2 isnt preschool; it’s daycare. (And if your facility runs year round, its daycare no matter the age.) Preschool follows a typical school calendar.

Plenty of daycares offer preschool programs and convenient hours for working parents. Summer programs may just be “camps”.

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Anonymous wrote:There are teachers all over social media using their real names, showing their real faces, sharing that inclusion at all costs is making their jobs hell.

This isn't even an argument of inclusion or not, it's about if they need a separate school to do it

It is though. The argument is that if the ratios aren’t exactly perfect, these pre-k students won’t be in the LRE.

Many examples of LRE are actively harming the rest of the student population.

So kids whose parents are choosing to put them in a particular preschool are being harmed by having iep preschoolers included? TCS is not free so presumably if it was a hellscape of disabled 3 year olds terrorizing the rest of the student population they would vote with their feet. So your irrelevant to this discussion point seems to be just that it would be better for everyone to do away with inclusion.

Switching preschools is usually very difficult and tcs is cheaper than many.

It’s not that hard to switch preschools after age 2 because of the ratio changes. Also you clearly don’t know anyone who has complained about this from TCS. But got it you worry that your kid might catch a developmental disorder from being too close to a preschooler with an iep.

Anything prior to 2 isnt preschool; it’s daycare. (And if your facility runs year round, its daycare no matter the age.) Preschool follows a typical school calendar.

Plenty of daycares offer preschool programs and convenient hours for working parents. Summer programs may just be “camps”.

Still daycare.

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Anonymous wrote:There are teachers all over social media using their real names, showing their real faces, sharing that inclusion at all costs is making their jobs hell.

This isn't even an argument of inclusion or not, it's about if they need a separate school to do it

It is though. The argument is that if the ratios aren’t exactly perfect, these pre-k students won’t be in the LRE.

Many examples of LRE are actively harming the rest of the student population.

So kids whose parents are choosing to put them in a particular preschool are being harmed by having iep preschoolers included? TCS is not free so presumably if it was a hellscape of disabled 3 year olds terrorizing the rest of the student population they would vote with their feet. So your irrelevant to this discussion point seems to be just that it would be better for everyone to do away with inclusion.

Switching preschools is usually very difficult and tcs is cheaper than many.

It’s not that hard to switch preschools after age 2 because of the ratio changes. Also you clearly don’t know anyone who has complained about this from TCS. But got it you worry that your kid might catch a developmental disorder from being too close to a preschooler with an iep.

Anything prior to 2 isnt preschool; it’s daycare. (And if your facility runs year round, its daycare no matter the age.) Preschool follows a typical school calendar.

Plenty of daycares offer preschool programs and convenient hours for working parents. Summer programs may just be “camps”.

Still daycare.

Ok. Daycare with an educational component that often exceeds that of “preschool” while also being more convenient for working parents. Feel better now?

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Anonymous wrote:There are teachers all over social media using their real names, showing their real faces, sharing that inclusion at all costs is making their jobs hell.

This isn't even an argument of inclusion or not, it's about if they need a separate school to do it

It is though. The argument is that if the ratios aren’t exactly perfect, these pre-k students won’t be in the LRE.

Many examples of LRE are actively harming the rest of the student population.

So kids whose parents are choosing to put them in a particular preschool are being harmed by having iep preschoolers included? TCS is not free so presumably if it was a hellscape of disabled 3 year olds terrorizing the rest of the student population they would vote with their feet. So your irrelevant to this discussion point seems to be just that it would be better for everyone to do away with inclusion.

Switching preschools is usually very difficult and tcs is cheaper than many.

It’s not that hard to switch preschools after age 2 because of the ratio changes. Also you clearly don’t know anyone who has complained about this from TCS. But got it you worry that your kid might catch a developmental disorder from being too close to a preschooler with an iep.

Anything prior to 2 isnt preschool; it’s daycare. (And if your facility runs year round, its daycare no matter the age.) Preschool follows a typical school calendar.

Plenty of daycares offer preschool programs and convenient hours for working parents. Summer programs may just be “camps”.

Still daycare.

Ok. Daycare with an educational component that often exceeds that of “preschool” while also being more convenient for working parents. Feel better now?

Delulu. Half-day preschools are much better than 8-6 daycare.

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Anonymous wrote:There are teachers all over social media using their real names, showing their real faces, sharing that inclusion at all costs is making their jobs hell.

This isn't even an argument of inclusion or not, it's about if they need a separate school to do it

It is though. The argument is that if the ratios aren’t exactly perfect, these pre-k students won’t be in the LRE.

Many examples of LRE are actively harming the rest of the student population.

So kids whose parents are choosing to put them in a particular preschool are being harmed by having iep preschoolers included? TCS is not free so presumably if it was a hellscape of disabled 3 year olds terrorizing the rest of the student population they would vote with their feet. So your irrelevant to this discussion point seems to be just that it would be better for everyone to do away with inclusion.

Switching preschools is usually very difficult and tcs is cheaper than many.

It’s not that hard to switch preschools after age 2 because of the ratio changes. Also you clearly don’t know anyone who has complained about this from TCS. But got it you worry that your kid might catch a developmental disorder from being too close to a preschooler with an iep.

Anything prior to 2 isnt preschool; it’s daycare. (And if your facility runs year round, its daycare no matter the age.) Preschool follows a typical school calendar.

Plenty of daycares offer preschool programs and convenient hours for working parents. Summer programs may just be “camps”.

Still daycare.

Ok. Daycare with an educational component that often exceeds that of “preschool” while also being more convenient for working parents. Feel better now?

Delulu. Half-day preschools are much better than 8-6 daycare.

Omg. Citations please, or let it go. I understand you are probably trying to justify being a SAHP, but there are many high quality F/T programs. At least as effective as the PT programs with “lunch bunch” and “aftercare.”

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I'm a little lost. Does this boil down to wanting to save IS because it's full time childcare?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a little lost. Does this boil down to wanting to save IS because it's full time childcare?

For kids with significant disabilities.

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Anonymous wrote:There are teachers all over social media using their real names, showing their real faces, sharing that inclusion at all costs is making their jobs hell.

This isn't even an argument of inclusion or not, it's about if they need a separate school to do it

It is though. The argument is that if the ratios aren’t exactly perfect, these pre-k students won’t be in the LRE.

Many examples of LRE are actively harming the rest of the student population.

So kids whose parents are choosing to put them in a particular preschool are being harmed by having iep preschoolers included? TCS is not free so presumably if it was a hellscape of disabled 3 year olds terrorizing the rest of the student population they would vote with their feet. So your irrelevant to this discussion point seems to be just that it would be better for everyone to do away with inclusion.

Switching preschools is usually very difficult and tcs is cheaper than many.

It’s not that hard to switch preschools after age 2 because of the ratio changes. Also you clearly don’t know anyone who has complained about this from TCS. But got it you worry that your kid might catch a developmental disorder from being too close to a preschooler with an iep.

Anything prior to 2 isnt preschool; it’s daycare. (And if your facility runs year round, its daycare no matter the age.) Preschool follows a typical school calendar.

Plenty of daycares offer preschool programs and convenient hours for working parents. Summer programs may just be “camps”.

Still daycare.

Ok. Daycare with an educational component that often exceeds that of “preschool” while also being more convenient for working parents. Feel better now?

Delulu. Half-day preschools are much better than 8-6 daycare.

Omg. Citations please, or let it go. I understand you are probably trying to justify being a SAHP, but there are many high quality F/T programs. At least as effective as the PT programs with “lunch bunch” and “aftercare.”

No shame in having a 3 yo in full-time care if you have to, but it *is* a really long day for them.