Forbes 2025 ranking is out

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Anonymous wrote:This has to be one of the worst examples of clickbait for a ranking system I’ve seen on this board. The list is laughable, in what alternate universe is Harvard ranked #9? They have UPenn over Harvard? C’mon!

Why is Harvard an untouchable. Penn has programs better than Harvard and the students are more pre-profesh

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They really locked this down. Are you paying for access?

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This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO. In what world is that accurate? (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)

Average quality of student is ignored on this list which is a shame. Student quality determines how fast and deep classes can go, for humanities and stem. CMU is far and above better than cal poly. Caltech should be in the top 10.

Yup!
This list apparently favors large states schools vs smaller private schools on many levels. Which is the opposite of what we look for in schools. I believe in smaller class sizes, the ability to major in whatever you want versus competing in Hunger Games 2.0 (HS was 1.0) to get into your desired undergrad major, and similarly the Hunger Games experience to get into the actual classes you want/need for your desired major.

I don't care about the mega facilities or research happening at most large state U's because most undergrads will never get the opportunity to experience any of it---except for the crappy profs who don't give a shit about teaching but are required to teach one-two courses each semester (they are there for doing research and research only as a prof)

1. What you call Hunger Games, I call life preparation. They have to compete and stand up for themselves. Sometimes it doesnt work out but you keep pressing on. Kids their age not in school have/seeking full time employment. Many are in the military. You can continue with the handholding or let them find their way in adulthood.
2. My kid was introduced to research during his freshman year at UMD. Had paid research internship through a joint UMD/Fed government agency the summer after his freshman year.

Your tirade is completely off the mark.

Agree. That person has issues. I chuckle at parents who say their adult child can't handle a big school. The world is BIG. One SLAC student tour guide -- who had attended a 17-person expensive school in NYC -- said they wouldn't know what to do at a big school. I was done right there. I want my kid to know how to handle the big, bad world.

Majority who attend a smaller university (under 8-10k) are quite capable of "handling the big bad world". But choose to take advantage of a smaller environment that allows them to hone their skills in a more personable environment.

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Anonymous wrote:I took a look and really makes zero sense. It is getting to the point where rankings are worthless. I focus on acceptance rate and rate of employment or grad school after. Also rate of graduation in four years. You have to look at metrics important to your family. Pell grants not helpful to us so not something we would focus on or grad research if you are not at a school with grad school also wouldn’t be a fit for us but might be for others.

Seriously? Acceptance rate? That can be so easily manipulated with marketing to unqualified and naive students. (Hello, U Chicago!)

The actual demand in free market is way more real than random magazine. I would add yield rate and student caliber in that mix as acceptance rate alone doesn't show the whole picture.

Popularity doesn't mean great outcome after graduation. Just ask the popular kids in MS.

In some cases you are correct, but in many cases you are incorrect.

First, you should define "great outcome" with the understanding that a very significant percentage of Americans have no interest whatsoever in living in NYC, Boston, Philly, or DC.

Objective measure of "great outcome" = ROI.

Subjective measure of "great outcome" = "I don't want to live in NYC".

As stated earlier:

ROI
Retention rate
Graduation rate

These are objective measures.

Subjective measures are more like "am I happy", "did I have a warm fuzzy feeling while in college"...

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Anonymous wrote:This has to be one of the worst examples of clickbait for a ranking system I’ve seen on this board. The list is laughable, in what alternate universe is Harvard ranked #9? They have UPenn over Harvard? C’mon!

Why is Harvard an untouchable. Penn has programs better than Harvard and the students are more pre-profesh

Do they use words like pre-profesh at UPenn?

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I like this list simply because it is easy to navigate.

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Anonymous wrote:"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

You are clueless regarding UCSD and UF. USC, as well.

UCSD is a bunch of UCLA rejects who can’t cope. Perfectly respectable school, but #3 & 2nd tier in their own testblind for entry overrated public school system. No way they should be above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

UF much better than most would think nowadays. Regionally strong rep & network. Top UF kids are underrated and would be competitive at most any top school. Good # of hardworking bright kids w/hi-stats who just didn’t get into ivies or Duke/Vanderbilt/Emory or decided to stay home due to Bright Futures. But end of day being a public school & having to accept kids from all across the state, hard to put above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

USC, same tier as Georgetown, Emory & WashU. Hard for older folks who remember the old USC to comprehend.

UF's SAT score profile is a 1320-1450. UF's 75th percentile is Emory, Georgetown, and Washu's 25th percentile.

I have familiarity with the University of Florida, the University of Georgia, Emory, WashUStl, Georgetown, and UC-San Diego. The University of Florida is an excellent state school as are U Georgia & UC-San Diego, however U Florida is a bit overrated (and overcrowded).

Forbes makes a point to differentiate it's rankings from US News and to shock readers in order to garner attention.

IMO, FL's education in general will be impacted by Desantis' policies.

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Anonymous wrote:UMD 41...$uck it ND (42), UT (46), NYU (49), Wisconsin (50) and BC (59)!

you can thank Sergey Brin for that. at UMD, the Forbes American Leaders List measurement is almost all Sergey

"Almost all" one person wouldn't move the needle.

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This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO. In what world is that accurate? (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)

Average quality of student is ignored on this list which is a shame. Student quality determines how fast and deep classes can go, for humanities and stem. CMU is far and above better than cal poly. Caltech should be in the top 10.

Yup!
This list apparently favors large states schools vs smaller private schools on many levels. Which is the opposite of what we look for in schools. I believe in smaller class sizes, the ability to major in whatever you want versus competing in Hunger Games 2.0 (HS was 1.0) to get into your desired undergrad major, and similarly the Hunger Games experience to get into the actual classes you want/need for your desired major.

I don't care about the mega facilities or research happening at most large state U's because most undergrads will never get the opportunity to experience any of it---except for the crappy profs who don't give a shit about teaching but are required to teach one-two courses each semester (they are there for doing research and research only as a prof)

+1 You said “most.” Are there any that are worth the out of state premium?

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Anonymous wrote:Waiting for someone to chime in about Northeastern@#73.
Carnegie-Mellon way too low
ND a bit low
Florida above Michigan, UVA & UNC!?
Ball-washing for the UC’s: Cal & Ucla slightly overrated. SD, SB & Irvine overrated
#’s 28-34 oddly feels just right. USC-Michigan-WashU-UNC-Georgetown-Emory-UVA

No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC

Not a surprise at all USC ranked above those schools.
USC makes sense

Trojans, or Cocks?

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Anonymous wrote:Waiting for someone to chime in about Northeastern@#73.
Carnegie-Mellon way too low
ND a bit low
Florida above Michigan, UVA & UNC!?
Ball-washing for the UC’s: Cal & Ucla slightly overrated. SD, SB & Irvine overrated
#’s 28-34 oddly feels just right. USC-Michigan-WashU-UNC-Georgetown-Emory-UVA

No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC

Not a surprise at all USC ranked above those schools.
USC makes sense

Trojans, or Cocks?

I see what you did there.

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Anonymous wrote:Forbes is a far more respected publication than US news which stopped printing in 2010 due to being bad at reporting / commenting on the news.

Good point. US news and world report was rejected by the market for reporting news … talk about false advertising in the publication name. Forbes is a more respected operation

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Anyway USnews out Sep.24th

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University of Florida top 4th of Public Universities
https://news.ufl.edu/2024/08/forbes/

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What's striking about the Forbes list is the average grant aid. Good to see it included in an easy to read format. Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, CalTech, Wellesley, and Amherst are not messing around. They want the best of the best.

And that's where you are seeing some difference with Notre Dame, Georgetown, Swarthmore, Emory, and NYU.

The publics are pathetic with grants. If you have a talented kid, don't even bother.