Trump is awful but I want helicopter money and illegal immigration to stop

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Anonymous wrote:Trump didn't do anything good for his entire term and he still won't do anything good the second time around. Still waiting on my "beautiful healthcare plan".

There were far far fewer migrants with faux asylum claims coming in under Trump. That is a fact.

Please articulate how migrants seeking asylum are affecting your daily life.

I’m a Democrat and I will be voting for Harris/Walz. But you’re actually nuts if you’re serious about this question. I live in NYC and the crisis is everywhere. A direct impact on me is that the city had to cut funding to every city service by 5-10% to fund shelter and services for migrants. I don’t have kids in the public school system, but the influx of high-need, low-income, non-English speaking kids is another direct impact on NYC children whose parents are taxpayers.

I pay a LOT in taxes, and I’m happy to, for a well-run city with good services. I have no choice but to fund this, and obviously once they’ve arrived in NYC, it’s better to have them housed and fed than have depression-esque tent cities everywhere, but they shouldn’t be here at all. The asylum system is a total joke.

Obviously I get that a legislative solution is needed and that the GOP isn’t operating in good faith on this, but Democrats’ messaging (both domestically and externally, to potential migrants) needs to change. There is definitely a perception that the Democrats are the “compassionate” ones on this issue and that a Democratic administration will not take border security seriously. I’d like to see the Remain in Mexico policy put back in place as a starting point. Trump was actually right on that one.

Please remember that employed but undocumented immigrants pay taxes.

This is laughable. They hardly pay any taxes in comparison to people that are legally here. Many of them do not file tax returns and get paid under the table which means they pay zero income taxes. Much of the other taxes they “pay” directly or indirectly are paid using money they did not earn and were given through welfare benefits. The trivial amount of taxes they actual do pay is from mostly low wage jobs does not come close to covering the cost of providing local government services for this group.

And many of them use fake SS cards and have their taxes withheld but do not cash in on the benefits because they can't. And this has been aboon of billions of dollars to the US treasury.

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OP,

Immigration is a global problem. Not political party can fix it, anywhere in the world. I am French, and I am acutely aware of how challenging it is for the European Union to regulate the millions of migrants trying to cross the Mediterranean. Images of drowned toddlers on beaches are traumatizing. Some countries' coastguards have been accused of letting migrant boats capsize and not rush to their aid. Yet no country can withstand that much migration, so Europe needs to control the flow.
It's an awful situation.

What people fail to understand is that migration doesn't get solved at the border. By then it's too late. You will create human suffering whether or not you create an impenetrable wall.

Migration exists because some countries are dirt poor and some are insanely wealthy. Climate change worsens migration significantly. So do criminal organizations: American demands for drugs and weapons push South and Central American countries into drug lord governance and weaken democracies who could rduce violence and keep their populations inside their own borders.

The GOP has traditionally not been receptive to gun control, and the Democrats have traditionally not been receptive to drug control. They are both to blame for much upstream decisions that create criminal opportunities in Latin America, and force desperate people to leave for greener pastures.

Europe has similar problems.

It's useful to vote for idiots who make grand promises but will clearly not do a thing to address the core issues. Harris at least is trying - she traveled to Latin America to strengthen democratic and economic ties in a bid to keep people where they are. It's very uphill work, and the democrats can't solve it unless they also crack down on drug crime, which also means cracking down on lax gun laws. You can't do one with the others! And Republicans will never agree to gun control.

So please vote for something your chosen party can actually make happen, OP. Because migration is not solvable with the parties we have currently.

And yet many countries do not have a migrant problem. Is it possibly because their policies positively discourage migration?

All the desirable (wealthy and tolerant) countries without daunting ocean protections have immigration problems. Are you thinking of Japan? It’s an extremely insular and xenophobic country. I can say that, I’m Japanese.

Doesn't Japan also have a declining population problem?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump didn't do anything good for his entire term and he still won't do anything good the second time around. Still waiting on my "beautiful healthcare plan".

There were far far fewer migrants with faux asylum claims coming in under Trump. That is a fact.

Please articulate how migrants seeking asylum are affecting your daily life.

I’m a Democrat and I will be voting for Harris/Walz. But you’re actually nuts if you’re serious about this question. I live in NYC and the crisis is everywhere. A direct impact on me is that the city had to cut funding to every city service by 5-10% to fund shelter and services for migrants. I don’t have kids in the public school system, but the influx of high-need, low-income, non-English speaking kids is another direct impact on NYC children whose parents are taxpayers.

I pay a LOT in taxes, and I’m happy to, for a well-run city with good services. I have no choice but to fund this, and obviously once they’ve arrived in NYC, it’s better to have them housed and fed than have depression-esque tent cities everywhere, but they shouldn’t be here at all. The asylum system is a total joke.

Obviously I get that a legislative solution is needed and that the GOP isn’t operating in good faith on this, but Democrats’ messaging (both domestically and externally, to potential migrants) needs to change. There is definitely a perception that the Democrats are the “compassionate” ones on this issue and that a Democratic administration will not take border security seriously. I’d like to see the Remain in Mexico policy put back in place as a starting point. Trump was actually right on that one.

Please remember that employed but undocumented immigrants pay taxes.

Some do. I’m not talking about sales taxes, I’m talking about income and payroll taxes that are paid by people who earn their income on the books. Which is typically not the case for undocumented immigrants, who for obvious reasons tend to work cash jobs. I wouldn’t say it’s universal, and the newly-arrived migrants are certainly not paying state and city income taxes on the whole.

There are billions of dollars paid into this system by undocumented workers who use fake SSN etc to gain employment who will never draw on these benefits. Documented fact, look it up.

It's also true that people who have never worked a day in the US come here, get legal status and then draw retirement out of the social security system.

Not if they haven’t subsequently worked the requisite years.

Have you never dealt with SSA? The documentation required to get any payment is enormous.

IDK about today, but decades ago, this did happen. They declared disability to collect ss. Maybe the rules are tighter now.

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Anonymous wrote:Vote for Harris and get continuing high inflation, continuing wage deterioration, men in women’s sports, trans in kids schools, uncontrolled borders, continued war support, no support for Israeli, etc.

Keep in mind Iraq is now letting girls as young as 9 get married and Taylor Swift fans almost got bombed in Austria. We live in scary times where you liberals need to get your head out of you assets. Oh yeah and the UK is jailing people over social media posts. This will get much much worse with Harris in the White House.

Stop voting on personality and vote on issues.

Inflation is higher everywhere else in the world.
Wage relative to inflation is stabilizing.
The Algerian boxes is...a woman. Why are you being so mean to her?
Trans kids in schools. Do you think trans kids should be denied an education?
Borders are not uncontrolled and the GOP lost the narrative by undermining the passage of their own bill.
re continued war support, should Russia just be able to invade and take another country?
I have no idea where you get "no support for Israel" - that is just about as fake news as it gets.

We can't control laws in other countries, like Iraq.

And the Taylor Swift threat was broken up by US law enforcement. The same crew the GOP wants to dismantle and defund.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is awful and I think JD was the wrong pick. But I just can’t take Kamala seriously about the border and inflation. And these things do matter.
At least with Trump there is a chance of getting these huge problems fixed because there will be other individuals at the helm making things happen. With Kamala, not a chance.
We are so screwed.

I don't understand how Biden gets tagged with "helicopter money" and inflation. At least half the COVID stimulus money was proposed by Trump in 2020 and passed by that Congress. At best they share the blame equally for injecting too much stimulus into the economy. But I tend to be more charitable and believe that nobody understood how COVID would be a short-term economic disruption - at the time people were really afraid of a full-on depression.

There was a good case for the 2020 money distributions because at the end of April 2020 unemployment spiked at 14.8%. But, after the stimulus, it very rapidly decreased and stood at 6.2% at the end of January 2021, and was on a steep decline. Likewise, there was a significant dip in GDP second quarter 2020 from end 2019 GDP. But, by the end of 2020, GDP was higher than it had been at the end of 2019.

The 2020 stimulus did its job in getting unemployment and GDP back on track. No further stimulus was necessary and could only be inflationary as Larry Summers warned about Biden's American Rescue Plan.

Except that the vaccine wasn't readily available until April so there was a months gap there that needed to be covered.

The 2020 stimulus was to cover unemployment from closed businesses and the consequent economic slowdown. The economy had recovered by year end 2020. While unemployment was still a bit on the high side at 6.1% at end of the first quarter 2021, it was on a very steep downward trajectory. Further stimulus could only have been inflationary.

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OP,

Immigration is a global problem. Not political party can fix it, anywhere in the world. I am French, and I am acutely aware of how challenging it is for the European Union to regulate the millions of migrants trying to cross the Mediterranean. Images of drowned toddlers on beaches are traumatizing. Some countries' coastguards have been accused of letting migrant boats capsize and not rush to their aid. Yet no country can withstand that much migration, so Europe needs to control the flow.
It's an awful situation.

What people fail to understand is that migration doesn't get solved at the border. By then it's too late. You will create human suffering whether or not you create an impenetrable wall.

Migration exists because some countries are dirt poor and some are insanely wealthy. Climate change worsens migration significantly. So do criminal organizations: American demands for drugs and weapons push South and Central American countries into drug lord governance and weaken democracies who could rduce violence and keep their populations inside their own borders.

The GOP has traditionally not been receptive to gun control, and the Democrats have traditionally not been receptive to drug control. They are both to blame for much upstream decisions that create criminal opportunities in Latin America, and force desperate people to leave for greener pastures.

Europe has similar problems.

It's useful to vote for idiots who make grand promises but will clearly not do a thing to address the core issues. Harris at least is trying - she traveled to Latin America to strengthen democratic and economic ties in a bid to keep people where they are. It's very uphill work, and the democrats can't solve it unless they also crack down on drug crime, which also means cracking down on lax gun laws. You can't do one with the others! And Republicans will never agree to gun control.

So please vote for something your chosen party can actually make happen, OP. Because migration is not solvable with the parties we have currently.

And yet many countries do not have a migrant problem. Is it possibly because their policies positively discourage migration?

Which countries don’t have a migrant problem?

Just about any country in Asia, most countries in Africa and South and Central America, Canada, and Australia. latter two now thinking they may have over welcomed migrants, almost all of whom are legal.

Illegal migration is basically a European, UK, and US problem.

And why do you suppose people seek asylum in liberal democracies? Why do you suppose economic migrants seeks desperately to gain a toehold in these countries?

Hint: Rule of law.

So absolutely if you vote for Trump, he will destroy the United States and rid us of immigrants. But if they don’t want to live here, you won’t want to either.

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OP,

Immigration is a global problem. Not political party can fix it, anywhere in the world. I am French, and I am acutely aware of how challenging it is for the European Union to regulate the millions of migrants trying to cross the Mediterranean. Images of drowned toddlers on beaches are traumatizing. Some countries' coastguards have been accused of letting migrant boats capsize and not rush to their aid. Yet no country can withstand that much migration, so Europe needs to control the flow.
It's an awful situation.

What people fail to understand is that migration doesn't get solved at the border. By then it's too late. You will create human suffering whether or not you create an impenetrable wall.

Migration exists because some countries are dirt poor and some are insanely wealthy. Climate change worsens migration significantly. So do criminal organizations: American demands for drugs and weapons push South and Central American countries into drug lord governance and weaken democracies who could rduce violence and keep their populations inside their own borders.

The GOP has traditionally not been receptive to gun control, and the Democrats have traditionally not been receptive to drug control. They are both to blame for much upstream decisions that create criminal opportunities in Latin America, and force desperate people to leave for greener pastures.

Europe has similar problems.

It's useful to vote for idiots who make grand promises but will clearly not do a thing to address the core issues. Harris at least is trying - she traveled to Latin America to strengthen democratic and economic ties in a bid to keep people where they are. It's very uphill work, and the democrats can't solve it unless they also crack down on drug crime, which also means cracking down on lax gun laws. You can't do one with the others! And Republicans will never agree to gun control.

So please vote for something your chosen party can actually make happen, OP. Because migration is not solvable with the parties we have currently.

And yet many countries do not have a migrant problem. Is it possibly because their policies positively discourage migration?

All the desirable (wealthy and tolerant) countries without daunting ocean protections have immigration problems. Are you thinking of Japan? It’s an extremely insular and xenophobic country. I can say that, I’m Japanese.

Doesn't Japan also have a declining population problem?

dp, yes, as does South Korea (I'm Korean American with family still there), and Korea is relying on immigrants to deal with the labor shortage.

Agree, other countries that are not as homogeneous and are wealthy have immigration issues (UK and France).

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is awful and I think JD was the wrong pick. But I just can’t take Kamala seriously about the border and inflation. And these things do matter.
At least with Trump there is a chance of getting these huge problems fixed because there will be other individuals at the helm making things happen. With Kamala, not a chance.
We are so screwed.

Trump is a bullshitting windbag who delivers nothing but chaos, excuses and lies (while making sure to steal anything of value he can get.) The kind of people who align themselves with him (your "individuals at the helm”) are inevitably inept, bullshitting clowns.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how anyone can look at Trump and say he's the better choice because there's an immigration problem that Republicans refuse to address (other than constant squawking about it).

Hi, let me introduce myself. I 100 percent think Trump is the better option. The Democrats are actively hostile to the idea of solving the problem. They actually want more of the problem. It is a no brainer to support Trump.

Laughable statement given it was the GOP who chose not to support their own bill to, you know, solve the problem. A bill that ALL of the Dems and the Democratic president all agreed to.

They also tanked the child tax credit because they didn't want to give Dems the win. Vance also had the gall to say that Harris was against the child tax credits.

https://apnews.com/article/senate-child-tax-credit-jd-vance-bdd8ebbfd090f2b4195f9f8194b5b5a0

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Anonymous wrote:Trump didn't do anything good for his entire term and he still won't do anything good the second time around. Still waiting on my "beautiful healthcare plan".

There were far far fewer migrants with faux asylum claims coming in under Trump. That is a fact.

Please articulate how migrants seeking asylum are affecting your daily life.

I’m a Democrat and I will be voting for Harris/Walz. But you’re actually nuts if you’re serious about this question. I live in NYC and the crisis is everywhere. A direct impact on me is that the city had to cut funding to every city service by 5-10% to fund shelter and services for migrants. I don’t have kids in the public school system, but the influx of high-need, low-income, non-English speaking kids is another direct impact on NYC children whose parents are taxpayers.

I pay a LOT in taxes, and I’m happy to, for a well-run city with good services. I have no choice but to fund this, and obviously once they’ve arrived in NYC, it’s better to have them housed and fed than have depression-esque tent cities everywhere, but they shouldn’t be here at all. The asylum system is a total joke.

Obviously I get that a legislative solution is needed and that the GOP isn’t operating in good faith on this, but Democrats’ messaging (both domestically and externally, to potential migrants) needs to change. There is definitely a perception that the Democrats are the “compassionate” ones on this issue and that a Democratic administration will not take border security seriously. I’d like to see the Remain in Mexico policy put back in place as a starting point. Trump was actually right on that one.

Please remember that employed but undocumented immigrants pay taxes.

Some do. I’m not talking about sales taxes, I’m talking about income and payroll taxes that are paid by people who earn their income on the books. Which is typically not the case for undocumented immigrants, who for obvious reasons tend to work cash jobs. I wouldn’t say it’s universal, and the newly-arrived migrants are certainly not paying state and city income taxes on the whole.

There are billions of dollars paid into this system by undocumented workers who use fake SSN etc to gain employment who will never draw on these benefits. Documented fact, look it up.

It's also true that people who have never worked a day in the US come here, get legal status and then draw retirement out of the social security system.

Not if they haven’t subsequently worked the requisite years.

Have you never dealt with SSA? The documentation required to get any payment is enormous.

IDK about today, but decades ago, this did happen. They declared disability to collect ss. Maybe the rules are tighter now.

Yes. The rules are very tight now. I’m sure there continues to be some abuse in the disability category. Doctors can be paid off. But SSA is very very thorough.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how anyone can look at Trump and say he's the better choice because there's an immigration problem that Republicans refuse to address (other than constant squawking about it).

This. Trump, via the pathetic republicans, tanked the bipartisan bill!

He does not care about fixing the problem

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OP,

Immigration is a global problem. Not political party can fix it, anywhere in the world. I am French, and I am acutely aware of how challenging it is for the European Union to regulate the millions of migrants trying to cross the Mediterranean. Images of drowned toddlers on beaches are traumatizing. Some countries' coastguards have been accused of letting migrant boats capsize and not rush to their aid. Yet no country can withstand that much migration, so Europe needs to control the flow.
It's an awful situation.

What people fail to understand is that migration doesn't get solved at the border. By then it's too late. You will create human suffering whether or not you create an impenetrable wall.

Migration exists because some countries are dirt poor and some are insanely wealthy. Climate change worsens migration significantly. So do criminal organizations: American demands for drugs and weapons push South and Central American countries into drug lord governance and weaken democracies who could rduce violence and keep their populations inside their own borders.

The GOP has traditionally not been receptive to gun control, and the Democrats have traditionally not been receptive to drug control. They are both to blame for much upstream decisions that create criminal opportunities in Latin America, and force desperate people to leave for greener pastures.

Europe has similar problems.

It's useful to vote for idiots who make grand promises but will clearly not do a thing to address the core issues. Harris at least is trying - she traveled to Latin America to strengthen democratic and economic ties in a bid to keep people where they are. It's very uphill work, and the democrats can't solve it unless they also crack down on drug crime, which also means cracking down on lax gun laws. You can't do one with the others! And Republicans will never agree to gun control.

So please vote for something your chosen party can actually make happen, OP. Because migration is not solvable with the parties we have currently.

And yet many countries do not have a migrant problem. Is it possibly because their policies positively discourage migration?

Which countries don’t have a migrant problem?

Just about any country in Asia, most countries in Africa and South and Central America, Canada, and Australia. latter two now thinking they may have over welcomed migrants, almost all of whom are legal.

Illegal migration is basically a European, UK, and US problem.

And why do you suppose people seek asylum in liberal democracies? Why do you suppose economic migrants seeks desperately to gain a toehold in these countries?

Hint: Rule of law.

So absolutely if you vote for Trump, he will destroy the United States and rid us of immigrants. But if they don’t want to live here, you won’t want to either.

This seems to be an admission that the people claiming to be asylum seekers are actually economic migrants.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with you OP. And, it is my #1 issue. Number 2 for me is cost of living.

Harris will do nothing to improve the border. Her positions in the past and her running mate's positions confirm that for me.
We will continue to see the large numbers of migrants coming from all over the world.
This nation cannot afford another 5-10 million illegal aliens living in the US.

She will do the same thing that she can, that Biden can, until meaningful legislation is passed. Maybe after the election, if Trump loses, the GOP will actually break the shackles and support the bill during the lame duck session.

This is the hope right here

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is awful and I think JD was the wrong pick. But I just can’t take Kamala seriously about the border and inflation. And these things do matter.
At least with Trump there is a chance of getting these huge problems fixed because there will be other individuals at the helm making things happen. With Kamala, not a chance.
We are so screwed.

I don't understand how Biden gets tagged with "helicopter money" and inflation. At least half the COVID stimulus money was proposed by Trump in 2020 and passed by that Congress. At best they share the blame equally for injecting too much stimulus into the economy. But I tend to be more charitable and believe that nobody understood how COVID would be a short-term economic disruption - at the time people were really afraid of a full-on depression.

There was a good case for the 2020 money distributions because at the end of April 2020 unemployment spiked at 14.8%. But, after the stimulus, it very rapidly decreased and stood at 6.2% at the end of January 2021, and was on a steep decline. Likewise, there was a significant dip in GDP second quarter 2020 from end 2019 GDP. But, by the end of 2020, GDP was higher than it had been at the end of 2019.

The 2020 stimulus did its job in getting unemployment and GDP back on track. No further stimulus was necessary and could only be inflationary as Larry Summers warned about Biden's American Rescue Plan.

Except that the vaccine wasn't readily available until April so there was a months gap there that needed to be covered.

The 2020 stimulus was to cover unemployment from closed businesses and the consequent economic slowdown. The economy had recovered by year end 2020. While unemployment was still a bit on the high side at 6.1% at end of the first quarter 2021, it was on a very steep downward trajectory. Further stimulus could only have been inflationary.

1) Trump put no safeguards or limits on the PPP bill, it was totally abused, including by members of congress
2) the economy had not recovered by year end 2020, not even close. Supply chain issues were still in high alert and millions of Americans were still effectively laid off
3) the inflation was caused as the economies rebounded, which happened under Biden. Once again, dems cleaning up GOP messes and getting the blame for the after effects. Just like W to Obama, just like Bush41 to Clinton.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump didn't do anything good for his entire term and he still won't do anything good the second time around. Still waiting on my "beautiful healthcare plan".

There were far far fewer migrants with faux asylum claims coming in under Trump. That is a fact.

COVID will do that.

It is also down currently. Where is your praise for the current lack of situation? Or is that only reserved for the GOP?

During Trump's term, there was one spike in illegal immigration (and that spike is less than what we have experienced under Biden and Harris). He took quick action.... he went to Mexico and was able to implement the stay in Mexico plan. That reduced immigration substantially. The pandemic wasn't until the end of his term. You cannot say "Covid will do that" when immigration was down his whole term.

So family separations and sending three year olds to court to argue their own cases is sound policy to you?

Tell me again about your pro-life values and your concern for children's safety.

We can talk about that when you tell me where the 85,000 unaccompanied minors are that the Biden/Harris administration has lost track of. Are they being trafficked? Sex slaves? Where are they?

No, first you're going to answer my question. Then you're going to look at yourself in the mirror to ask yourself what you've become.

If we're concerned about the sexual abuse of children, maybe we could start with the easy stuff, like not letting children get married. Take it up with your Republican buddies.