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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

Well, if Disney is OK with it, then it’s just goes against your personal moral compass. Which really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Disney can track how many DAS rides are redeemed in a day. Don’t think they aren’t analyzing that and that it didn’t play a role in this latest change. People hitting ride after ride with no downtime or breaks are going to have a much harder time arguing why they need the DAS.

And that’s fine. All I’m saying is “double dipper” pp was wrong. That’s not what they’re cracking down on. They’re making it harder to get a DAS pass. If you still qualify for one with the new rules, you are still allowed to purchase Genie +.

Yes, and telling the truth and being given DAS under the old system or using it as permitted is not "abuse."

You can split hairs all you like. But apparently the system just got an overhaul. Strange for something that was working so well in your mind.

It’s so amusing that when someone is proven wrong they claim the person who is right is “splitting hairs.”
Keep on keepin’ on, PP.

You must be the "2 passes per day" DAS misinformed person.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

Well, if Disney is OK with it, then it’s just goes against your personal moral compass. Which really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Disney can track how many DAS rides are redeemed in a day. Don’t think they aren’t analyzing that and that it didn’t play a role in this latest change. People hitting ride after ride with no downtime or breaks are going to have a much harder time arguing why they need the DAS.

And that’s fine. All I’m saying is “double dipper” pp was wrong. That’s not what they’re cracking down on. They’re making it harder to get a DAS pass. If you still qualify for one with the new rules, you are still allowed to purchase Genie +.

Yes, and telling the truth and being given DAS under the old system or using it as permitted is not "abuse."

You can split hairs all you like. But apparently the system just got an overhaul. Strange for something that was working so well in your mind.

I'm not in charge of the system, and neither are you. Disney is a business and can change their standards. I am grateful that my child got to experience two wonderful trips under the old system that considered the nature of her disability and made her time in the parks less of a struggle. I would guess that many families or groups using DAS for legitimate medical reasons are not hopping from attraction to attraction from open to close as you envision, because being in the parks is extra hard for disabled people. Also, I'm sure I speak for most parents with kids who have gotten DAS accommodations when I say that I'd gladly wait in two-hour lines in 100-degree heat in exchange for my child not having her disability.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

Well, if Disney is OK with it, then it’s just goes against your personal moral compass. Which really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Disney can track how many DAS rides are redeemed in a day. Don’t think they aren’t analyzing that and that it didn’t play a role in this latest change. People hitting ride after ride with no downtime or breaks are going to have a much harder time arguing why they need the DAS.

And that’s fine. All I’m saying is “double dipper” pp was wrong. That’s not what they’re cracking down on. They’re making it harder to get a DAS pass. If you still qualify for one with the new rules, you are still allowed to purchase Genie +.

Yes, and telling the truth and being given DAS under the old system or using it as permitted is not "abuse."

You can split hairs all you like. But apparently the system just got an overhaul. Strange for something that was working so well in your mind.

I'm not in charge of the system, and neither are you. Disney is a business and can change their standards. I am grateful that my child got to experience two wonderful trips under the old system that considered the nature of her disability and made her time in the parks less of a struggle. I would guess that many families or groups using DAS for legitimate medical reasons are not hopping from attraction to attraction from open to close as you envision, because being in the parks is extra hard for disabled people. Also, I'm sure I speak for most parents with kids who have gotten DAS accommodations when I say that I'd gladly wait in two-hour lines in 100-degree heat in exchange for my child not having her disability.

Then you should applaud the changes. People are awfully defensive of a system they would clearly never lie about and never take advantage of and will still benefit from. Don't you want it to work better?

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

Well, if Disney is OK with it, then it’s just goes against your personal moral compass. Which really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Disney can track how many DAS rides are redeemed in a day. Don’t think they aren’t analyzing that and that it didn’t play a role in this latest change. People hitting ride after ride with no downtime or breaks are going to have a much harder time arguing why they need the DAS.

And that’s fine. All I’m saying is “double dipper” pp was wrong. That’s not what they’re cracking down on. They’re making it harder to get a DAS pass. If you still qualify for one with the new rules, you are still allowed to purchase Genie +.

Yes, and telling the truth and being given DAS under the old system or using it as permitted is not "abuse."

You can split hairs all you like. But apparently the system just got an overhaul. Strange for something that was working so well in your mind.

It’s so amusing that when someone is proven wrong they claim the person who is right is “splitting hairs.”
Keep on keepin’ on, PP.

You must be the "2 passes per day" DAS misinformed person.

And I owned up to my mistake. Something you are completely unwilling to do.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

Well, if Disney is OK with it, then it’s just goes against your personal moral compass. Which really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Disney can track how many DAS rides are redeemed in a day. Don’t think they aren’t analyzing that and that it didn’t play a role in this latest change. People hitting ride after ride with no downtime or breaks are going to have a much harder time arguing why they need the DAS.

And that’s fine. All I’m saying is “double dipper” pp was wrong. That’s not what they’re cracking down on. They’re making it harder to get a DAS pass. If you still qualify for one with the new rules, you are still allowed to purchase Genie +.

Yes, and telling the truth and being given DAS under the old system or using it as permitted is not "abuse."

You can split hairs all you like. But apparently the system just got an overhaul. Strange for something that was working so well in your mind.

It’s so amusing that when someone is proven wrong they claim the person who is right is “splitting hairs.”
Keep on keepin’ on, PP.

You must be the "2 passes per day" DAS misinformed person.

And I owned up to my mistake. Something you are completely unwilling to do.

There was no mistake. People took advantage, double dipping, lying, renting disabled tour guides, etc and now it's much harder
to do all those things. If you don't think Disney knows who was abusing it the most then you're very naive. They have probably figured out that the autistic parents aren't the ones hopping from ride to ride all day making longer waits for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Part of the problem is forcing people to use mobility devices when they don't need them under normal circumstances. I've seen several stories about amputees who are perfectly "mobile" but who have difficulty waiting in long lines, especially in heat, as the day progresses because their prosthesis becomes less comfortable and more painful being denied DAS because they could just get a wheelchair. That seems wrong to me.

They can get a scooter. There is nothing “wrong” about that.

Huh. You don't think someone with a genuine physical disability that causes significant pain deserves some accommodation? By the way, ECVs cost $65 per day to rent, but I guess those slacker amputees should just deal.

If they’re walking around a park all day on a prosthesis, there’s no reason they can’t stand in line with the same prosthesis. Or sit on the chair/cane. Or lean on the ropes like the rest of us. If they can’t walk around the park all day and can’t stand in line at all, they get a scooter or a wheelchair.
Quit playing the victim here. There are options. You just don’t like them.

NP. By that logic, people with zero physical disabilities who have autism can also just stand in line for hours.

I don’t think that’s true. If an autistic kid can’t stand in line for an hour they may act out or scream or get physical or cause a disturbance to others waiting in line. It’s a completely different scenario.

This. My kid has to eat in a lunch bunch because he cannot even handle the noise and commotion of the cafeteria at school. If he gets overstimulated/dysregulated he may throw himself on the ground and kick. That doesn’t happen often thankfully, but it does on occasion.

In order for our family to go to Disney, we had to pick a less crowded time, select a few must do rides, and basically have a straight forward itinerary to avoid crossing all over the park and having downtime built in. We bought Genie + in conjunction to using DAS and were able to minimize crowd/line time, take meal breaks while waiting for our return time, and get in and out of the park in a shorter time.

I know people pay a lot of money to go to Disney and I appreciate not having to risk a) my kid losing it 80 minutes into a 90 minute wait and then having to give up on the ride and b) disturbing other guests if my kid flails and is upset.

Why are you taking a kid who can't cope in crowded places to Disney? Goodness. Choose a different vacation.

So, first we're told our kids are fine and they don't need the DAS, and then when we explain why they do, we're told to pick a different vacation? Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

Well, if Disney is OK with it, then it’s just goes against your personal moral compass. Which really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Disney can track how many DAS rides are redeemed in a day. Don’t think they aren’t analyzing that and that it didn’t play a role in this latest change. People hitting ride after ride with no downtime or breaks are going to have a much harder time arguing why they need the DAS.

And that’s fine. All I’m saying is “double dipper” pp was wrong. That’s not what they’re cracking down on. They’re making it harder to get a DAS pass. If you still qualify for one with the new rules, you are still allowed to purchase Genie +.

Yes, and telling the truth and being given DAS under the old system or using it as permitted is not "abuse."

You can split hairs all you like. But apparently the system just got an overhaul. Strange for something that was working so well in your mind.

It’s so amusing that when someone is proven wrong they claim the person who is right is “splitting hairs.”
Keep on keepin’ on, PP.

You must be the "2 passes per day" DAS misinformed person.

And I owned up to my mistake. Something you are completely unwilling to do.

There was no mistake. People took advantage, double dipping, lying, renting disabled tour guides, etc and now it's much harder
to do all those things. If you don't think Disney knows who was abusing it the most then you're very naive. They have probably figured out that the autistic parents aren't the ones hopping from ride to ride all day making longer waits for everyone.

Jesus lady. Admit you were wrong and move on. Disney allows “double dipping.” All your hand waving and moving the goalposts won’t change that.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

Well, if Disney is OK with it, then it’s just goes against your personal moral compass. Which really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Disney can track how many DAS rides are redeemed in a day. Don’t think they aren’t analyzing that and that it didn’t play a role in this latest change. People hitting ride after ride with no downtime or breaks are going to have a much harder time arguing why they need the DAS.

And that’s fine. All I’m saying is “double dipper” pp was wrong. That’s not what they’re cracking down on. They’re making it harder to get a DAS pass. If you still qualify for one with the new rules, you are still allowed to purchase Genie +.

Yes, and telling the truth and being given DAS under the old system or using it as permitted is not "abuse."

You can split hairs all you like. But apparently the system just got an overhaul. Strange for something that was working so well in your mind.

It’s so amusing that when someone is proven wrong they claim the person who is right is “splitting hairs.”
Keep on keepin’ on, PP.

You must be the "2 passes per day" DAS misinformed person.

And I owned up to my mistake. Something you are completely unwilling to do.

There was no mistake. People took advantage, double dipping, lying, renting disabled tour guides, etc and now it's much harder
to do all those things. If you don't think Disney knows who was abusing it the most then you're very naive. They have probably figured out that the autistic parents aren't the ones hopping from ride to ride all day making longer waits for everyone.

Jesus lady. Admit you were wrong and move on. Disney allows “double dipping.” All your hand waving and moving the goalposts won’t change that.

I said at the beginning they shouldn't allow double dipping, because people take advantage. I'm glad the changes will mean many fewer people will be able to do that going forward. Now run along.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

That is not true. You can have 2 selected in advance. The day of you can book return times for other rides. But only one active return at a time.

Sorry. I did not know that. But if someone is paying for Genie + (and it ain’t cheap) I still don’t think that’s double dipping. I mean you’re paying just like everybody else is. You’re entitled to a free DAS pass. You are paying for the extra. I don’t know how that’s double dipping – I just really don’t see it that way.

Ok. I don't see how it is in the spirit of the system to use it to ride the same rides more often than everyone else and that's what people end up doing. It's nice that they make it better for people who can't wait in the lines but it's a bit naive to think people haven't been milking it to power thru the day. There are all kinds of tip boards on how to maximize the day doing this.

Well, if Disney is OK with it, then it’s just goes against your personal moral compass. Which really doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Disney can track how many DAS rides are redeemed in a day. Don’t think they aren’t analyzing that and that it didn’t play a role in this latest change. People hitting ride after ride with no downtime or breaks are going to have a much harder time arguing why they need the DAS.

And that’s fine. All I’m saying is “double dipper” pp was wrong. That’s not what they’re cracking down on. They’re making it harder to get a DAS pass. If you still qualify for one with the new rules, you are still allowed to purchase Genie +.

Yes, and telling the truth and being given DAS under the old system or using it as permitted is not "abuse."

You can split hairs all you like. But apparently the system just got an overhaul. Strange for something that was working so well in your mind.

It’s so amusing that when someone is proven wrong they claim the person who is right is “splitting hairs.”
Keep on keepin’ on, PP.

You must be the "2 passes per day" DAS misinformed person.

And I owned up to my mistake. Something you are completely unwilling to do.

There was no mistake. People took advantage, double dipping, lying, renting disabled tour guides, etc and now it's much harder
to do all those things. If you don't think Disney knows who was abusing it the most then you're very naive. They have probably figured out that the autistic parents aren't the ones hopping from ride to ride all day making longer waits for everyone.

Jesus lady. Admit you were wrong and move on. Disney allows “double dipping.” All your hand waving and moving the goalposts won’t change that.

I said at the beginning they shouldn't allow double dipping, because people take advantage. I'm glad the changes will mean many fewer people will be able to do that going forward. Now run along.

What happened to you at Disney that made you this way?

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Part of the problem is forcing people to use mobility devices when they don't need them under normal circumstances. I've seen several stories about amputees who are perfectly "mobile" but who have difficulty waiting in long lines, especially in heat, as the day progresses because their prosthesis becomes less comfortable and more painful being denied DAS because they could just get a wheelchair. That seems wrong to me.

They can get a scooter. There is nothing “wrong” about that.

Huh. You don't think someone with a genuine physical disability that causes significant pain deserves some accommodation? By the way, ECVs cost $65 per day to rent, but I guess those slacker amputees should just deal.

If they’re walking around a park all day on a prosthesis, there’s no reason they can’t stand in line with the same prosthesis. Or sit on the chair/cane. Or lean on the ropes like the rest of us. If they can’t walk around the park all day and can’t stand in line at all, they get a scooter or a wheelchair.
Quit playing the victim here. There are options. You just don’t like them.

NP. By that logic, people with zero physical disabilities who have autism can also just stand in line for hours.

I don’t think that’s true. If an autistic kid can’t stand in line for an hour they may act out or scream or get physical or cause a disturbance to others waiting in line. It’s a completely different scenario.

This. My kid has to eat in a lunch bunch because he cannot even handle the noise and commotion of the cafeteria at school. If he gets overstimulated/dysregulated he may throw himself on the ground and kick. That doesn’t happen often thankfully, but it does on occasion.

In order for our family to go to Disney, we had to pick a less crowded time, select a few must do rides, and basically have a straight forward itinerary to avoid crossing all over the park and having downtime built in. We bought Genie + in conjunction to using DAS and were able to minimize crowd/line time, take meal breaks while waiting for our return time, and get in and out of the park in a shorter time.

I know people pay a lot of money to go to Disney and I appreciate not having to risk a) my kid losing it 80 minutes into a 90 minute wait and then having to give up on the ride and b) disturbing other guests if my kid flails and is upset.

Why are you taking a kid who can't cope in crowded places to Disney? Goodness. Choose a different vacation.

So, first we're told our kids are fine and they don't need the DAS, and then when we explain why they do, we're told to pick a different vacation? Wow.

No. That's not the conversation at all. PP said their kid can't even handle a lunchroom at school. Disney, with or without DAS, is a million times more stimulating and crowded. You are in mobs of people all day, including for 30 minutes at a time when using a LL with DAS. I can't imagine taking a kid with that sensitivity to Disney. It seems like a totally inappropriate choice of vacation.

I took my 5 yo, who is undiagnosed but has similar sensivities, to Disney and watched her melt down over and over and over. It was awful. Would DAS have helped if she qualified? Possibly but we aren't going back. It's not magical when it's stressing out your kid. We choose different vacations that are a better fit. DAS doesn't get rid of the issues for a kid who can't cope with crowds, noise and stimulation. And I have a kid who is fine in a busy lunchroom.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

Apparently, Disney does not agree with you, at least not under the old system.

https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/das-genie-time-495493/

I will also add that using Genie Plus and DAS is also helpful because it allows the other party members to ride with shorter lines while the person with DAS sits out to rest.

Well luckily the party is now limited to a max of 4 people and only immediate family. Letting the DAS person sit and rest while everyone else jumps the queue? GTFO.

I don't think you understand. The DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of their party to use the Lightning Lane. The rest of the party can't go if the DAS holder isn't with them. By buying Genie +, the non-disabled members of the party can use the Lightning Lanes that they paid for when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Then it's not "allowing everyone to ride" is it? Or are you saying the DAS guest scans and then sits down? What a crock.

Can you read? I am saying that when using DAS, the DAS holder has to scan in before the rest of the party and go on the ride with them. If the DAS holder needs rest time, if you have purchased Genie +, other members of the party can use Lightning Lane when the DAS holder isn't with them.

Do you understand what double dipping is? Because that's not it. We're not even talking about the same thing. If you are limited to one ride per day/ride using Genie + it is double dipping to use DAS and Genie + to ride the same ride twice in a day. Fact is people are abusing the system. There are way too many people so Disney has cracked down. Are you going to argue that nobody was abusing this?

You only get 2 DAS passes per day. So you really are only “double dipping”twice. Which doesn’t seem at all like a big big deal to me. But once again I have no dog in this fight. We’ve never had to use the DAS.

No that’s not true. You get 2 pre-scheduled DAS slots. The you can schedule additional DAS slots as the day goes on.

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Disney has stressed that this program is supposed to be for developmentally disabled children. If you look at any of the Disney forums populated by Disney adults a lot of people were using this for irritable bowel (Disney is now allowing them to leave the line and return to their spot) and Grandma's heart condition (why are you dragging 90 year old grandma to Orlando with a party of 12 in the heat?) and they are livid about these changes. Your ASD children are still qualified.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

No, I mean an F5 level freakout. It's not fun for her or anyone else around her. Now that she's had the opportunity to experience some rides, she is much calmer and can advocate for herself. Like I said, we didn't even get a DAS last time. I'm glad she did have the use of one in the past though, because I believe that exposing her to the parks and the rides helped expand her capabilities and tolerances for the sensory issues. The DAS gave her access to the rides, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

No, I mean an F5 level freakout. It's not fun for her or anyone else around her. Now that she's had the opportunity to experience some rides, she is much calmer and can advocate for herself. Like I said, we didn't even get a DAS last time. I'm glad she did have the use of one in the past though, because I believe that exposing her to the parks and the rides helped expand her capabilities and tolerances for the sensory issues. The DAS gave her access to the rides, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

How was it any different than Genie+? I have a kid on the spectrum, and while we did have one melt-down at the park, I don’t see how DAS would have prevented it. With Genie we could still have a short line and have some structure to the day, albeit having to fill the time in. But TBH the pace of Genie+ was perfect - get to the park, do some low-stimulation stuff until our LL, rinse, repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

Many, many rides will let you bypass the pre-show (like Haunted Mansion, etc.) Just ask a cast member.