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Anonymous wrote:New to Burke this year and my child absolutely loves it. He LOVES middle school. How rare is this? He is free to try new things and to be himself. He like the kids in his class and the school does an incredible job at truly teaching social skills and sex Ed (he has learned so much about healthy relationships consent and boundaries). We turned down a big 3 school for Burke bc our child loved it during the tour and shadow day. Best choice we ever made. He is excited for school, challenged and makes great friends. There are some cliques and bullying/meanness but the faculty was incredibly thoughtful in handling these situations from what I have heard. My wife and I went to pressure cooker private schools and Burke is a gem. I wish I could trade my years at Sidwell for a Burke experience

I also went to Sidwell and I am also so glad my kids got to go to Burke. We have been parents there for many years and are so glad to be part of the community. The school has been great for both our kids.

Fun fact - there are several teachers are Burke who are Sidwell alums.

Most parents with kids at Big 3 and Burke seem to prefer Burke. I met someone with a child who went to Sidwell, transferred to Burke, and graduated from Burke. According to this person, Burke was a huge improvement socially. The child then went to a selective college (college admissions results basically the same as for friends from Sidwell).

Burke and Sidwell do not have similar college admissions results. Take a look at their Instagram accounts—night and day.

It’s better to look at Burke’s college admissions list on its website. Only one c/o 2023 student was admitted to an Ivy (Cornell).

https://www.burkeschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-burke#

Burke may offer a kinder, gentler high school experience than Sidwell, but the college admissions results are not even close.

Berklee College of Music and St. Andrew's are both at or above Cornell's level.

Based on what? Your feelings?

Reality. Berklee College of Music is one of, if not, the best music schools in the world. St. Andrew's in Scotland is also one of the best universities in the world. It's not my fault that you've never heard of them. Neither are easy to get into.

Sure. So if you’re not a future world class musician and want to stay in the US for college, if you attend Burke and are a top student, are you limiting your child’s college choices?

Put that same kid in JRHS, I assume she or he would do better in terms of college admissions. (Again, not talking about athletes or musicians. Not talking about kids with learning challenges who need Burke’s small classes and hand holding to succeed.)

The honest answer is that the real top students will be competitive regardless of high school. For the average and above average, which is what most of our darling gifted children are, public school provides the most advantage for college admissions. JRHS is better for that than Sidwell, NCS, and whatever other private school you think is superior.

Al Gore got into Harvard because he was a Senator's son not because he went to St. Alban's.

2024 college admissions results says you’re wrong. Go to Instagram and compare how JR and SWW are doing, compared to Sidwell when it comes to Ivy+ admissions. And before you start down that road, many of Sidwell’s Ivy admits are not hooked (sports recruits, legacies or URMs). On the other hand, many SWW and JR students are Ivy legacies and URMs.

GMAFB did you break down every student by who their parents are? Dan Quayle's kids were widely known to be idiots but still got into Duke.

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Anonymous wrote:New to Burke this year and my child absolutely loves it. He LOVES middle school. How rare is this? He is free to try new things and to be himself. He like the kids in his class and the school does an incredible job at truly teaching social skills and sex Ed (he has learned so much about healthy relationships consent and boundaries). We turned down a big 3 school for Burke bc our child loved it during the tour and shadow day. Best choice we ever made. He is excited for school, challenged and makes great friends. There are some cliques and bullying/meanness but the faculty was incredibly thoughtful in handling these situations from what I have heard. My wife and I went to pressure cooker private schools and Burke is a gem. I wish I could trade my years at Sidwell for a Burke experience

I also went to Sidwell and I am also so glad my kids got to go to Burke. We have been parents there for many years and are so glad to be part of the community. The school has been great for both our kids.

Fun fact - there are several teachers are Burke who are Sidwell alums.

Most parents with kids at Big 3 and Burke seem to prefer Burke. I met someone with a child who went to Sidwell, transferred to Burke, and graduated from Burke. According to this person, Burke was a huge improvement socially. The child then went to a selective college (college admissions results basically the same as for friends from Sidwell).

Burke and Sidwell do not have similar college admissions results. Take a look at their Instagram accounts—night and day.

It’s better to look at Burke’s college admissions list on its website. Only one c/o 2023 student was admitted to an Ivy (Cornell).

https://www.burkeschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-burke#

Burke may offer a kinder, gentler high school experience than Sidwell, but the college admissions results are not even close.

Berklee College of Music and St. Andrew's are both at or above Cornell's level.

Based on what? Your feelings?

Reality. Berklee College of Music is one of, if not, the best music schools in the world. St. Andrew's in Scotland is also one of the best universities in the world. It's not my fault that you've never heard of them. Neither are easy to get into.

No, the reality is that Juilliard is the best music school. Before Berklee enters the chat, the Curtis Institute, the Manhattan School of Music, and the New England Conservatory of Music would probably be next.

St. Andrews is a fine university, but it’s not even the best in the UK.

Btw, why are you comparing a music school and a Scottish university to Cornell? You are really reaching here, and it still doesn’t help Burke’s middling to mediocre college matriculations. Listen, Burke is not the school to choose for your competitive, academically gifted child. That’s not Burke’s lane, and that’s perfectly fine.

It's Julliard and Berklee at the top.

Those better UK universities, Oxford and Cambridge, are much better than Cornell. I think it's fair to say that St. Andrew's, the LSE and Edinburgh are equal to Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth and Penn.

Music school and an overseas university may not be everyone's cup of tea but for those for which it is they are both very prestigious and difficult to get into which is the criteria you all seem to be judging things on.

You’re still reaching, and it’s doing Burke no favors.

The ultimate measure of academic prestige, in this country, is Ivy admissions. Burke does very poorly in that regard. Based on the past 4 years (2020 to 2023), only 3 Burke students have attended an Ivy League university (Brown, Columbia, and Cornell). Three students total in four years?!? C’mon!

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Anonymous wrote:New to Burke this year and my child absolutely loves it. He LOVES middle school. How rare is this? He is free to try new things and to be himself. He like the kids in his class and the school does an incredible job at truly teaching social skills and sex Ed (he has learned so much about healthy relationships consent and boundaries). We turned down a big 3 school for Burke bc our child loved it during the tour and shadow day. Best choice we ever made. He is excited for school, challenged and makes great friends. There are some cliques and bullying/meanness but the faculty was incredibly thoughtful in handling these situations from what I have heard. My wife and I went to pressure cooker private schools and Burke is a gem. I wish I could trade my years at Sidwell for a Burke experience

I also went to Sidwell and I am also so glad my kids got to go to Burke. We have been parents there for many years and are so glad to be part of the community. The school has been great for both our kids.

Fun fact - there are several teachers are Burke who are Sidwell alums.

Most parents with kids at Big 3 and Burke seem to prefer Burke. I met someone with a child who went to Sidwell, transferred to Burke, and graduated from Burke. According to this person, Burke was a huge improvement socially. The child then went to a selective college (college admissions results basically the same as for friends from Sidwell).

Burke and Sidwell do not have similar college admissions results. Take a look at their Instagram accounts—night and day.

It’s better to look at Burke’s college admissions list on its website. Only one c/o 2023 student was admitted to an Ivy (Cornell).

https://www.burkeschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-burke#

Burke may offer a kinder, gentler high school experience than Sidwell, but the college admissions results are not even close.

Berklee College of Music and St. Andrew's are both at or above Cornell's level.

Based on what? Your feelings?

Reality. Berklee College of Music is one of, if not, the best music schools in the world. St. Andrew's in Scotland is also one of the best universities in the world. It's not my fault that you've never heard of them. Neither are easy to get into.

Sure. So if you’re not a future world class musician and want to stay in the US for college, if you attend Burke and are a top student, are you limiting your child’s college choices?

Put that same kid in JRHS, I assume she or he would do better in terms of college admissions. (Again, not talking about athletes or musicians. Not talking about kids with learning challenges who need Burke’s small classes and hand holding to succeed.)

The honest answer is that the real top students will be competitive regardless of high school. For the average and above average, which is what most of our darling gifted children are, public school provides the most advantage for college admissions. JRHS is better for that than Sidwell, NCS, and whatever other private school you think is superior.

Al Gore got into Harvard because he was a Senator's son not because he went to St. Alban's.

2024 college admissions results says you’re wrong. Go to Instagram and compare how JR and SWW are doing, compared to Sidwell when it comes to Ivy+ admissions. And before you start down that road, many of Sidwell’s Ivy admits are not hooked (sports recruits, legacies or URMs). On the other hand, many SWW and JR students are Ivy legacies and URMs.

GMAFB did you break down every student by who their parents are? Dan Quayle's kids were widely known to be idiots but still got into Duke.

1. We’re not talking about Duke. This discussion centers Ivy admissions;

2. There are no Presidents or VPs children currently attending Sidwell; and

3. Once again, there are more unhooked Sidwell Ivy admits posted than all of the JR Ivy admits posted combined (spoiler: there are only 2).

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Anonymous wrote:New to Burke this year and my child absolutely loves it. He LOVES middle school. How rare is this? He is free to try new things and to be himself. He like the kids in his class and the school does an incredible job at truly teaching social skills and sex Ed (he has learned so much about healthy relationships consent and boundaries). We turned down a big 3 school for Burke bc our child loved it during the tour and shadow day. Best choice we ever made. He is excited for school, challenged and makes great friends. There are some cliques and bullying/meanness but the faculty was incredibly thoughtful in handling these situations from what I have heard. My wife and I went to pressure cooker private schools and Burke is a gem. I wish I could trade my years at Sidwell for a Burke experience

I also went to Sidwell and I am also so glad my kids got to go to Burke. We have been parents there for many years and are so glad to be part of the community. The school has been great for both our kids.

Fun fact - there are several teachers are Burke who are Sidwell alums.

Most parents with kids at Big 3 and Burke seem to prefer Burke. I met someone with a child who went to Sidwell, transferred to Burke, and graduated from Burke. According to this person, Burke was a huge improvement socially. The child then went to a selective college (college admissions results basically the same as for friends from Sidwell).

Burke and Sidwell do not have similar college admissions results. Take a look at their Instagram accounts—night and day.

It’s better to look at Burke’s college admissions list on its website. Only one c/o 2023 student was admitted to an Ivy (Cornell).

https://www.burkeschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-burke#

Burke may offer a kinder, gentler high school experience than Sidwell, but the college admissions results are not even close.

Berklee College of Music and St. Andrew's are both at or above Cornell's level.

Based on what? Your feelings?

Reality. Berklee College of Music is one of, if not, the best music schools in the world. St. Andrew's in Scotland is also one of the best universities in the world. It's not my fault that you've never heard of them. Neither are easy to get into.

No, the reality is that Juilliard is the best music school. Before Berklee enters the chat, the Curtis Institute, the Manhattan School of Music, and the New England Conservatory of Music would probably be next.

St. Andrews is a fine university, but it’s not even the best in the UK.

Btw, why are you comparing a music school and a Scottish university to Cornell? You are really reaching here, and it still doesn’t help Burke’s middling to mediocre college matriculations. Listen, Burke is not the school to choose for your competitive, academically gifted child. That’s not Burke’s lane, and that’s perfectly fine.

It's Julliard and Berklee at the top.

Those better UK universities, Oxford and Cambridge, are much better than Cornell. I think it's fair to say that St. Andrew's, the LSE and Edinburgh are equal to Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth and Penn.

Music school and an overseas university may not be everyone's cup of tea but for those for which it is they are both very prestigious and difficult to get into which is the criteria you all seem to be judging things on.

You’re still reaching, and it’s doing Burke no favors.

The ultimate measure of academic prestige, in this country, is Ivy admissions. Burke does very poorly in that regard. Based on the past 4 years (2020 to 2023), only 3 Burke students have attended an Ivy League university (Brown, Columbia, and Cornell). Three students total in four years?!? C’mon!

Then it'll shock you that the non Harvard/Yale ivies are neither more prestigious nor harder to get into than Sarah Lawrence or her sisters.

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Anonymous wrote:New to Burke this year and my child absolutely loves it. He LOVES middle school. How rare is this? He is free to try new things and to be himself. He like the kids in his class and the school does an incredible job at truly teaching social skills and sex Ed (he has learned so much about healthy relationships consent and boundaries). We turned down a big 3 school for Burke bc our child loved it during the tour and shadow day. Best choice we ever made. He is excited for school, challenged and makes great friends. There are some cliques and bullying/meanness but the faculty was incredibly thoughtful in handling these situations from what I have heard. My wife and I went to pressure cooker private schools and Burke is a gem. I wish I could trade my years at Sidwell for a Burke experience

I also went to Sidwell and I am also so glad my kids got to go to Burke. We have been parents there for many years and are so glad to be part of the community. The school has been great for both our kids.

Fun fact - there are several teachers are Burke who are Sidwell alums.

Most parents with kids at Big 3 and Burke seem to prefer Burke. I met someone with a child who went to Sidwell, transferred to Burke, and graduated from Burke. According to this person, Burke was a huge improvement socially. The child then went to a selective college (college admissions results basically the same as for friends from Sidwell).

Burke and Sidwell do not have similar college admissions results. Take a look at their Instagram accounts—night and day.

It’s better to look at Burke’s college admissions list on its website. Only one c/o 2023 student was admitted to an Ivy (Cornell).

https://www.burkeschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-burke#

Burke may offer a kinder, gentler high school experience than Sidwell, but the college admissions results are not even close.

Berklee College of Music and St. Andrew's are both at or above Cornell's level.

Based on what? Your feelings?

Reality. Berklee College of Music is one of, if not, the best music schools in the world. St. Andrew's in Scotland is also one of the best universities in the world. It's not my fault that you've never heard of them. Neither are easy to get into.

No, the reality is that Juilliard is the best music school. Before Berklee enters the chat, the Curtis Institute, the Manhattan School of Music, and the New England Conservatory of Music would probably be next.

St. Andrews is a fine university, but it’s not even the best in the UK.

Btw, why are you comparing a music school and a Scottish university to Cornell? You are really reaching here, and it still doesn’t help Burke’s middling to mediocre college matriculations. Listen, Burke is not the school to choose for your competitive, academically gifted child. That’s not Burke’s lane, and that’s perfectly fine.

It's Julliard and Berklee at the top.

Those better UK universities, Oxford and Cambridge, are much better than Cornell. I think it's fair to say that St. Andrew's, the LSE and Edinburgh are equal to Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth and Penn.

Music school and an overseas university may not be everyone's cup of tea but for those for which it is they are both very prestigious and difficult to get into which is the criteria you all seem to be judging things on.

You’re still reaching, and it’s doing Burke no favors.

The ultimate measure of academic prestige, in this country, is Ivy admissions. Burke does very poorly in that regard. Based on the past 4 years (2020 to 2023), only 3 Burke students have attended an Ivy League university (Brown, Columbia, and Cornell). Three students total in four years?!? C’mon!

So are you dooming your bright child to a low ceiling for college admissions by going to Burke? I sort of think so.

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Anonymous wrote:New to Burke this year and my child absolutely loves it. He LOVES middle school. How rare is this? He is free to try new things and to be himself. He like the kids in his class and the school does an incredible job at truly teaching social skills and sex Ed (he has learned so much about healthy relationships consent and boundaries). We turned down a big 3 school for Burke bc our child loved it during the tour and shadow day. Best choice we ever made. He is excited for school, challenged and makes great friends. There are some cliques and bullying/meanness but the faculty was incredibly thoughtful in handling these situations from what I have heard. My wife and I went to pressure cooker private schools and Burke is a gem. I wish I could trade my years at Sidwell for a Burke experience

I also went to Sidwell and I am also so glad my kids got to go to Burke. We have been parents there for many years and are so glad to be part of the community. The school has been great for both our kids.

Fun fact - there are several teachers are Burke who are Sidwell alums.

Most parents with kids at Big 3 and Burke seem to prefer Burke. I met someone with a child who went to Sidwell, transferred to Burke, and graduated from Burke. According to this person, Burke was a huge improvement socially. The child then went to a selective college (college admissions results basically the same as for friends from Sidwell).

Burke and Sidwell do not have similar college admissions results. Take a look at their Instagram accounts—night and day.

It’s better to look at Burke’s college admissions list on its website. Only one c/o 2023 student was admitted to an Ivy (Cornell).

https://www.burkeschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-burke#

Burke may offer a kinder, gentler high school experience than Sidwell, but the college admissions results are not even close.

Berklee College of Music and St. Andrew's are both at or above Cornell's level.

Based on what? Your feelings?

Reality. Berklee College of Music is one of, if not, the best music schools in the world. St. Andrew's in Scotland is also one of the best universities in the world. It's not my fault that you've never heard of them. Neither are easy to get into.

No, the reality is that Juilliard is the best music school. Before Berklee enters the chat, the Curtis Institute, the Manhattan School of Music, and the New England Conservatory of Music would probably be next.

St. Andrews is a fine university, but it’s not even the best in the UK.

Btw, why are you comparing a music school and a Scottish university to Cornell? You are really reaching here, and it still doesn’t help Burke’s middling to mediocre college matriculations. Listen, Burke is not the school to choose for your competitive, academically gifted child. That’s not Burke’s lane, and that’s perfectly fine.

It's Julliard and Berklee at the top.

Those better UK universities, Oxford and Cambridge, are much better than Cornell. I think it's fair to say that St. Andrew's, the LSE and Edinburgh are equal to Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth and Penn.

Music school and an overseas university may not be everyone's cup of tea but for those for which it is they are both very prestigious and difficult to get into which is the criteria you all seem to be judging things on.

You’re still reaching, and it’s doing Burke no favors.

The ultimate measure of academic prestige, in this country, is Ivy admissions. Burke does very poorly in that regard. Based on the past 4 years (2020 to 2023), only 3 Burke students have attended an Ivy League university (Brown, Columbia, and Cornell). Three students total in four years?!? C’mon!

Then it'll shock you that the non Harvard/Yale ivies are neither more prestigious nor harder to get into than Sarah Lawrence or her sisters.

You must attend Burke because your posts are…ill informed.

First, Sarah Lawrence has never been a Seven Sisters college, nor is it prestigious or hard to get into. SL admits 50% of its applicants. Second, all Ivies (with the possible exception of Cornell) have low single digit admissions rates. Every Ivy is more prestigious and harder to get into than SL.

The End.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone equating "quirky" with special needs? That's not how I define it. I'm quirky and was Phi Beta Kappa at HYPSM. To me, quirky is a little alternative and/or marches to the beat of a different drummer-kind of person. And "prestige" is very overrated. I know several incredibly successful adults who did not attend well-regarded universities for financial and/or other family-related reasons. Just because one attends a prestigious institution does not ipso facto equate to long-term professional and personal success or happiness. And, honestly, in my experience, many of my employees who graduated from T20 schools are entitled and pretentious.

Quirky has become a euphemism for neuro-divergent, and in particular, ASD. There's a stigma associated with ASD, so parents often describe their ASD kids as quirky. It's meant to distinguish ASD kids who are socially awkward (and perhaps non-conformist) from kids who can't make eye contact or function in a mainstream school. It's a reaction to the many posters on DCUM who assume all ASD kids need to go to ASD schools without having ever even met an ASD kid. The problem with the terminology is that if someone writes "X school" has quirky kids, some will assume that it's a "special needs" school (i.e., a school specifically designed to serve kids who need significant academic and social support) even though the school might be a "mainstream" school with a mix of NT and ND kids. Bottom line: If people weren't so quick to make assumptions about ND kids without ever meeting them, "quirky" could get its meaning back (which is your interpretation of the word).

Burke parents mean non-conformist, not autistic, when they say quirky. Jeez Louise

Burke parents don’t call the Burke kids quirky. And DCUMs who use that word are attempting to insult.

"Quirky" means that the kid's top concerns are something other than Stanley cups, lacrosse, which island they are going to over break, and who they saw at Chevy over the weekend.

So-called "quirky" kids can actually be pretty mainstream. But they baffle the conformist, striver crowd by not viscerally caring about being "in" all the time.

Pretty great that Burke put on a successful "Mean Girls."

This is the kind of parent I fear if we decide to apply to Burke next year - snobby in their own way. My child isn't quirky at all, but nor is he into lacrosse, going to islands over break, Chevy, etc. Just an ordinary, middle class public school kid

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It seems that those on this forum are obsessed with the ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone equating "quirky" with special needs? That's not how I define it. I'm quirky and was Phi Beta Kappa at HYPSM. To me, quirky is a little alternative and/or marches to the beat of a different drummer-kind of person. And "prestige" is very overrated. I know several incredibly successful adults who did not attend well-regarded universities for financial and/or other family-related reasons. Just because one attends a prestigious institution does not ipso facto equate to long-term professional and personal success or happiness. And, honestly, in my experience, many of my employees who graduated from T20 schools are entitled and pretentious.

Quirky has become a euphemism for neuro-divergent, and in particular, ASD. There's a stigma associated with ASD, so parents often describe their ASD kids as quirky. It's meant to distinguish ASD kids who are socially awkward (and perhaps non-conformist) from kids who can't make eye contact or function in a mainstream school. It's a reaction to the many posters on DCUM who assume all ASD kids need to go to ASD schools without having ever even met an ASD kid. The problem with the terminology is that if someone writes "X school" has quirky kids, some will assume that it's a "special needs" school (i.e., a school specifically designed to serve kids who need significant academic and social support) even though the school might be a "mainstream" school with a mix of NT and ND kids. Bottom line: If people weren't so quick to make assumptions about ND kids without ever meeting them, "quirky" could get its meaning back (which is your interpretation of the word).

Burke parents mean non-conformist, not autistic, when they say quirky. Jeez Louise

Burke parents don’t call the Burke kids quirky. And DCUMs who use that word are attempting to insult.

"Quirky" means that the kid's top concerns are something other than Stanley cups, lacrosse, which island they are going to over break, and who they saw at Chevy over the weekend.

So-called "quirky" kids can actually be pretty mainstream. But they baffle the conformist, striver crowd by not viscerally caring about being "in" all the time.

Pretty great that Burke put on a successful "Mean Girls."

This is the kind of parent I fear if we decide to apply to Burke next year - snobby in their own way. My child isn't quirky at all, but nor is he into lacrosse, going to islands over break, Chevy, etc. Just an ordinary, middle class public school kid

Sorry to disappoint the PP, but my child reports plenty of Stanleys at Burke, as well as exotic island vacations. It may not be the type of place that brags about it but there is plenty of $ there.

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Anonymous wrote:New to Burke this year and my child absolutely loves it. He LOVES middle school. How rare is this? He is free to try new things and to be himself. He like the kids in his class and the school does an incredible job at truly teaching social skills and sex Ed (he has learned so much about healthy relationships consent and boundaries). We turned down a big 3 school for Burke bc our child loved it during the tour and shadow day. Best choice we ever made. He is excited for school, challenged and makes great friends. There are some cliques and bullying/meanness but the faculty was incredibly thoughtful in handling these situations from what I have heard. My wife and I went to pressure cooker private schools and Burke is a gem. I wish I could trade my years at Sidwell for a Burke experience

I also went to Sidwell and I am also so glad my kids got to go to Burke. We have been parents there for many years and are so glad to be part of the community. The school has been great for both our kids.

Fun fact - there are several teachers are Burke who are Sidwell alums.

Most parents with kids at Big 3 and Burke seem to prefer Burke. I met someone with a child who went to Sidwell, transferred to Burke, and graduated from Burke. According to this person, Burke was a huge improvement socially. The child then went to a selective college (college admissions results basically the same as for friends from Sidwell).

Burke and Sidwell do not have similar college admissions results. Take a look at their Instagram accounts—night and day.

It’s better to look at Burke’s college admissions list on its website. Only one c/o 2023 student was admitted to an Ivy (Cornell).

https://www.burkeschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-burke#

Burke may offer a kinder, gentler high school experience than Sidwell, but the college admissions results are not even close.

Berklee College of Music and St. Andrew's are both at or above Cornell's level.

Based on what? Your feelings?

Reality. Berklee College of Music is one of, if not, the best music schools in the world. St. Andrew's in Scotland is also one of the best universities in the world. It's not my fault that you've never heard of them. Neither are easy to get into.

No, the reality is that Juilliard is the best music school. Before Berklee enters the chat, the Curtis Institute, the Manhattan School of Music, and the New England Conservatory of Music would probably be next.

St. Andrews is a fine university, but it’s not even the best in the UK.

Btw, why are you comparing a music school and a Scottish university to Cornell? You are really reaching here, and it still doesn’t help Burke’s middling to mediocre college matriculations. Listen, Burke is not the school to choose for your competitive, academically gifted child. That’s not Burke’s lane, and that’s perfectly fine.

It's Julliard and Berklee at the top.

Those better UK universities, Oxford and Cambridge, are much better than Cornell. I think it's fair to say that St. Andrew's, the LSE and Edinburgh are equal to Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth and Penn.

Music school and an overseas university may not be everyone's cup of tea but for those for which it is they are both very prestigious and difficult to get into which is the criteria you all seem to be judging things on.

You’re still reaching, and it’s doing Burke no favors.

The ultimate measure of academic prestige, in this country, is Ivy admissions. Burke does very poorly in that regard. Based on the past 4 years (2020 to 2023), only 3 Burke students have attended an Ivy League university (Brown, Columbia, and Cornell). Three students total in four years?!? C’mon!

Then it'll shock you that the non Harvard/Yale ivies are neither more prestigious nor harder to get into than Sarah Lawrence or her sisters.

You must attend Burke because your posts are…ill informed.

First, Sarah Lawrence has never been a Seven Sisters college, nor is it prestigious or hard to get into. SL admits 50% of its applicants. Second, all Ivies (with the possible exception of Cornell) have low single digit admissions rates. Every Ivy is more prestigious and harder to get into than SL.

The End.

Then feel free to replace it with Bates, which I didn't rate at all yet has a 14% admissions rate.

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Anonymous wrote:New to Burke this year and my child absolutely loves it. He LOVES middle school. How rare is this? He is free to try new things and to be himself. He like the kids in his class and the school does an incredible job at truly teaching social skills and sex Ed (he has learned so much about healthy relationships consent and boundaries). We turned down a big 3 school for Burke bc our child loved it during the tour and shadow day. Best choice we ever made. He is excited for school, challenged and makes great friends. There are some cliques and bullying/meanness but the faculty was incredibly thoughtful in handling these situations from what I have heard. My wife and I went to pressure cooker private schools and Burke is a gem. I wish I could trade my years at Sidwell for a Burke experience

I also went to Sidwell and I am also so glad my kids got to go to Burke. We have been parents there for many years and are so glad to be part of the community. The school has been great for both our kids.

Fun fact - there are several teachers are Burke who are Sidwell alums.

Most parents with kids at Big 3 and Burke seem to prefer Burke. I met someone with a child who went to Sidwell, transferred to Burke, and graduated from Burke. According to this person, Burke was a huge improvement socially. The child then went to a selective college (college admissions results basically the same as for friends from Sidwell).

Burke and Sidwell do not have similar college admissions results. Take a look at their Instagram accounts—night and day.

It’s better to look at Burke’s college admissions list on its website. Only one c/o 2023 student was admitted to an Ivy (Cornell).

https://www.burkeschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-burke#

Burke may offer a kinder, gentler high school experience than Sidwell, but the college admissions results are not even close.

Berklee College of Music and St. Andrew's are both at or above Cornell's level.

Based on what? Your feelings?

Reality. Berklee College of Music is one of, if not, the best music schools in the world. St. Andrew's in Scotland is also one of the best universities in the world. It's not my fault that you've never heard of them. Neither are easy to get into.

No, the reality is that Juilliard is the best music school. Before Berklee enters the chat, the Curtis Institute, the Manhattan School of Music, and the New England Conservatory of Music would probably be next.

St. Andrews is a fine university, but it’s not even the best in the UK.

Btw, why are you comparing a music school and a Scottish university to Cornell? You are really reaching here, and it still doesn’t help Burke’s middling to mediocre college matriculations. Listen, Burke is not the school to choose for your competitive, academically gifted child. That’s not Burke’s lane, and that’s perfectly fine.

It's Julliard and Berklee at the top.

Those better UK universities, Oxford and Cambridge, are much better than Cornell. I think it's fair to say that St. Andrew's, the LSE and Edinburgh are equal to Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth and Penn.

Music school and an overseas university may not be everyone's cup of tea but for those for which it is they are both very prestigious and difficult to get into which is the criteria you all seem to be judging things on.

You’re still reaching, and it’s doing Burke no favors.

The ultimate measure of academic prestige, in this country, is Ivy admissions. Burke does very poorly in that regard. Based on the past 4 years (2020 to 2023), only 3 Burke students have attended an Ivy League university (Brown, Columbia, and Cornell). Three students total in four years?!? C’mon!

Then it'll shock you that the non Harvard/Yale ivies are neither more prestigious nor harder to get into than Sarah Lawrence or her sisters.

You must attend Burke because your posts are…ill informed.

First, Sarah Lawrence has never been a Seven Sisters college, nor is it prestigious or hard to get into. SL admits 50% of its applicants. Second, all Ivies (with the possible exception of Cornell) have low single digit admissions rates. Every Ivy is more prestigious and harder to get into than SL.

The End.

Then feel free to replace it with Bates, which I didn't rate at all yet has a 14% admissions rate.

Bates? 🙄
Being an effective Burke Booster is clearly above your pay grade. Please stop.

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Anonymous wrote:New to Burke this year and my child absolutely loves it. He LOVES middle school. How rare is this? He is free to try new things and to be himself. He like the kids in his class and the school does an incredible job at truly teaching social skills and sex Ed (he has learned so much about healthy relationships consent and boundaries). We turned down a big 3 school for Burke bc our child loved it during the tour and shadow day. Best choice we ever made. He is excited for school, challenged and makes great friends. There are some cliques and bullying/meanness but the faculty was incredibly thoughtful in handling these situations from what I have heard. My wife and I went to pressure cooker private schools and Burke is a gem. I wish I could trade my years at Sidwell for a Burke experience

I also went to Sidwell and I am also so glad my kids got to go to Burke. We have been parents there for many years and are so glad to be part of the community. The school has been great for both our kids.

Fun fact - there are several teachers are Burke who are Sidwell alums.

Most parents with kids at Big 3 and Burke seem to prefer Burke. I met someone with a child who went to Sidwell, transferred to Burke, and graduated from Burke. According to this person, Burke was a huge improvement socially. The child then went to a selective college (college admissions results basically the same as for friends from Sidwell).

Burke and Sidwell do not have similar college admissions results. Take a look at their Instagram accounts—night and day.

It’s better to look at Burke’s college admissions list on its website. Only one c/o 2023 student was admitted to an Ivy (Cornell).

https://www.burkeschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-counseling-at-burke#

Burke may offer a kinder, gentler high school experience than Sidwell, but the college admissions results are not even close.

Berklee College of Music and St. Andrew's are both at or above Cornell's level.

Based on what? Your feelings?

Reality. Berklee College of Music is one of, if not, the best music schools in the world. St. Andrew's in Scotland is also one of the best universities in the world. It's not my fault that you've never heard of them. Neither are easy to get into.

No, the reality is that Juilliard is the best music school. Before Berklee enters the chat, the Curtis Institute, the Manhattan School of Music, and the New England Conservatory of Music would probably be next.

St. Andrews is a fine university, but it’s not even the best in the UK.

Btw, why are you comparing a music school and a Scottish university to Cornell? You are really reaching here, and it still doesn’t help Burke’s middling to mediocre college matriculations. Listen, Burke is not the school to choose for your competitive, academically gifted child. That’s not Burke’s lane, and that’s perfectly fine.

It's Julliard and Berklee at the top.

Those better UK universities, Oxford and Cambridge, are much better than Cornell. I think it's fair to say that St. Andrew's, the LSE and Edinburgh are equal to Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth and Penn.

Music school and an overseas university may not be everyone's cup of tea but for those for which it is they are both very prestigious and difficult to get into which is the criteria you all seem to be judging things on.

You’re still reaching, and it’s doing Burke no favors.

The ultimate measure of academic prestige, in this country, is Ivy admissions. Burke does very poorly in that regard. Based on the past 4 years (2020 to 2023), only 3 Burke students have attended an Ivy League university (Brown, Columbia, and Cornell). Three students total in four years?!? C’mon!

Then it'll shock you that the non Harvard/Yale ivies are neither more prestigious nor harder to get into than Sarah Lawrence or her sisters.

You must attend Burke because your posts are…ill informed.

First, Sarah Lawrence has never been a Seven Sisters college, nor is it prestigious or hard to get into. SL admits 50% of its applicants. Second, all Ivies (with the possible exception of Cornell) have low single digit admissions rates. Every Ivy is more prestigious and harder to get into than SL.

The End.

Then feel free to replace it with Bates, which I didn't rate at all yet has a 14% admissions rate.

Bates? 🙄
Being an effective Burke Booster is clearly above your pay grade. Please stop.

14% is 14%. I never thought it was special but times change.

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Anyway, so Burke parents with bright kids without learning challenges- you are ok settling for your child’s college future?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyway, so Burke parents with bright kids without learning challenges- you are ok settling for your child’s college future?

If it means keeping our kids away from you, then yes.