Any parents out there who paid $200K+ for college, kid did great, and now can't find job?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My wife graduated in 2010 with a degree in English from University of Virginia with ZERO experience and never had a job in her life. She took off one semester in her senior year and attended as many technology conferences as she could even though she knew nothing about technologies other than powering on/off her Apple macbook. Many of the conferences let her in free of charge, I guess because of her good look, and she made her "networking" there. At one of those conferences, she met my mother, who was an SES in the federal government at the time, over lunch and they quickly became friends. My now wife told my mother that she was looking for a job so my mother picked up the phone and called one of the government contractors that reported to her and asked them if they were willing to hire someone with an English major for technical writing documentation. They of course said yes and paid her a salary of 80K per year. When my mother left the government for the private sector, she took my now wife with her and promoted her to Technical Project Manager (TPM) and her salary went from 90K to 150K. I met my wife at my mother's Christmas party and the rest is history. My wife is now a SVP at a F500 company through one of my mother's friends. It is about connections. YMMV.

The point here is that technology companies need English majors too, not just Engineering and CS. OP's kid needs to go to technology conferences and meet people and it will definitely help. He/she only needs one person to say yes and go from there. Most of the time, it is the English major people that do well in technology companies. Someone needs to manage those tech people.

Not really kosher for a Fed to pressure a contractor to hire someone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - major was English -- a beautiful major. The world needs more English majors.... especially from schools well known for their English & humanities departments. That should translate into many jobs in media, publishing, etc. And yes, with what we paid, no guarantees, but I would expect better assistance from the career center. The kid has worked so hard looking for a job and is not willing to be underemployed.

I appreciate the tecchies, but not everyone is made to do that work. The world needs some fuzzies, too. More than ever actually.

BTW - middle class burb family that has worked hard for it.

Maybe that’s the problem? What does underemployed mean for the holder of an English degree?

Working at a restaurant like my nephew did after graduating from a top 25 school with a communications degree.

My neice was a barista after graduating with an English degree from a good school. She eventually went into publishing (from an internship I think). Hope your kid has good social media skills, since they are being widely sought for communicators right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - major was English -- a beautiful major. The world needs more English majors.... especially from schools well known for their English & humanities departments. That should translate into many jobs in media, publishing, etc. And yes, with what we paid, no guarantees, but I would expect better assistance from the career center. The kid has worked so hard looking for a job and is not willing to be underemployed.

I appreciate the tecchies, but not everyone is made to do that work. The world needs some fuzzies, too. More than ever actually.

BTW - middle class burb family that has worked hard for it.

This is the problem. You need to clarify to them that Everyone starts from the bottom. In fact should have done unpaid internships while in school to prove himself. Your kid needs humility. The school is great and will open doors later and it’s cute you are proud of them but no one comes in as leadership. Your kid needs to pay his dues. Suze orman has good advice on this if you have a low starting salary everywhere then you take a job, work your butt off for a year, then negotiate for a big increase.

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Anonymous wrote:My wife graduated in 2010 with a degree in English from University of Virginia with ZERO experience and never had a job in her life. She took off one semester in her senior year and attended as many technology conferences as she could even though she knew nothing about technologies other than powering on/off her Apple macbook. Many of the conferences let her in free of charge, I guess because of her good look, and she made her "networking" there. At one of those conferences, she met my mother, who was an SES in the federal government at the time, over lunch and they quickly became friends. My now wife told my mother that she was looking for a job so my mother picked up the phone and called one of the government contractors that reported to her and asked them if they were willing to hire someone with an English major for technical writing documentation. They of course said yes and paid her a salary of 80K per year. When my mother left the government for the private sector, she took my now wife with her and promoted her to Technical Project Manager (TPM) and her salary went from 90K to 150K. I met my wife at my mother's Christmas party and the rest is history. My wife is now a SVP at a F500 company through one of my mother's friends. It is about connections. YMMV.

The point here is that technology companies need English majors too, not just Engineering and CS. OP's kid needs to go to technology conferences and meet people and it will definitely help. He/she only needs one person to say yes and go from there. Most of the time, it is the English major people that do well in technology companies. Someone needs to manage those tech people.

OP—

This is the post you should share with your child.

—DP

You mean to tell her that she can get a job through nepotism? What if nepotism does not work out?

Reading comprehension fail. OP's wife and mom were strangers when they met. OP's wife got her job through networking!

Sorry not OP, PP. But you know what I meant.

What did you mean?

Networking is how people get jobs throughout their careers. It’s how everyone I know has moved up.

I was just correcting the PP/OP mix-up. I also got my first few jobs through networking. Then I had enough solid experience to get jobs without it, but it never stops being a good idea.

[Anonymous]

OP you sound entitled. Not sure what your kid is like.

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Anonymous wrote:Huh. No. We paid $55k (total, not per year) for my daughter's degree and she's had no issue finding well paying, full time employment. But we also thought about job prospects and that kind of thing BEFORE, y'know, signing the check and her picking a major. People who don't do the tiniest bit of legwork upfront on majors, job outlook, etc. and then act all "surprised Pikachu" face when they find out that, surprise surprise, their/their kid's expensive English degree doesn't just automatically result in offers for $70k jobs get no sympathy from me.

OP here. So grateful for all of the helpful suggestions and wisdom offered in this thread. In response to the poster I'm quoting here...There is another wrinkle to my kid's story. The kid is TUTORING online & in-person and making $60/$70 per hour and $70-$80K/year as a "temporary" gig. Kid is highly rated and really good at it. So this English major earns the money without having a boss and a commute...BUT...

TUTORING isn't a "real" job/career asset in the traditional sense that will be an investment for the long term, is it? That's the problem. It's not like building a career as a professor or an employee working for an institution. The kid makes as much or more than some full-time teachers or professors, reporters, CBS production assistants, etc! It's unexpected and a bit confusing. But kid gets tired of the prospecting/rainmaking of tutoring, sees it as temporary, and is having a challenging time getting a regular job with an institution for half the pay. Doesn't make sense does it?! It's a stumper. But isn't getting a real job best for the long term? What am I missing here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

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There’s lots of money in the education field. Too much in fact. There’s curriculum, administration, explosion in educational software content. He could get certifications and run his own tutoring business.

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Bottom line: social skills is what gets you jobs.

social skills alone doesn't get you the interview, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - major was English -- a beautiful major. The world needs more English majors.... especially from schools well known for their English & humanities departments. That should translate into many jobs in media, publishing, etc. And yes, with what we paid, no guarantees, but I would expect better assistance from the career center. The kid has worked so hard looking for a job and is not willing to be underemployed.

I appreciate the tecchies, but not everyone is made to do that work. The world needs some fuzzies, too. More than ever actually.

BTW - middle class burb family that has worked hard for it.

+1 I agree with you. Many in my organization seem to not be able to read or write or speak correctly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Huh. No. We paid $55k (total, not per year) for my daughter's degree and she's had no issue finding well paying, full time employment. But we also thought about job prospects and that kind of thing BEFORE, y'know, signing the check and her picking a major. People who don't do the tiniest bit of legwork upfront on majors, job outlook, etc. and then act all "surprised Pikachu" face when they find out that, surprise surprise, their/their kid's expensive English degree doesn't just automatically result in offers for $70k jobs get no sympathy from me.

OP here. So grateful for all of the helpful suggestions and wisdom offered in this thread. In response to the poster I'm quoting here...There is another wrinkle to my kid's story. The kid is TUTORING online & in-person and making $60/$70 per hour and $70-$80K/year as a "temporary" gig. Kid is highly rated and really good at it. So this English major earns the money without having a boss and a commute...BUT...

TUTORING isn't a "real" job/career asset in the traditional sense that will be an investment for the long term, is it? That's the problem. It's not like building a career as a professor or an employee working for an institution. The kid makes as much or more than some full-time teachers or professors, reporters, CBS production assistants, etc! It's unexpected and a bit confusing. But kid gets tired of the prospecting/rainmaking of tutoring, sees it as temporary, and is having a challenging time getting a regular job with an institution for half the pay. Doesn't make sense does it?! It's a stumper. But isn't getting a real job best for the long term? What am I missing here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Well entry level jobs for writers are notoriously low paying. That is something your child should have anticipated.

+1 Why don't parents teach their kids to look at the starting pay for the degrees they want. I understand a 17/18 yr old doesn't know what to do with their major, but if you're going to spend $200K on something, I would hope you have some idea about what you will be doing for that $200K after college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Define underemployed.
English major here but I graduated before the publishing industry was decimated which helped me. Always worked in tech-related writing, initially for technology trade publications and later in competitive intelligence for the tech industry.
Great field but not easy.
I would not recommend the major today unless the student wants to write or teach. Or pick a second major (e.g. something business-related).

40 years ago I majored in Psychology but minored in Business, because I knew I would face to parlay my degree into a paycheck.

I'm telling my DD to do this. She like psych but not sure she want's to go all the way through for her advanced degrees. Instead, I told her she could minor in business.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My wife graduated in 2010 with a degree in English from University of Virginia with ZERO experience and never had a job in her life. She took off one semester in her senior year and attended as many technology conferences as she could even though she knew nothing about technologies other than powering on/off her Apple macbook. Many of the conferences let her in free of charge, I guess because of her good look, and she made her "networking" there. At one of those conferences, she met my mother, who was an SES in the federal government at the time, over lunch and they quickly became friends. My now wife told my mother that she was looking for a job so my mother picked up the phone and called one of the government contractors that reported to her and asked them if they were willing to hire someone with an English major for technical writing documentation. They of course said yes and paid her a salary of 80K per year. When my mother left the government for the private sector, she took my now wife with her and promoted her to Technical Project Manager (TPM) and her salary went from 90K to 150K. I met my wife at my mother's Christmas party and the rest is history. My wife is now a SVP at a F500 company through one of my mother's friends. It is about connections. YMMV.

The point here is that technology companies need English majors too, not just Engineering and CS. OP's kid needs to go to technology conferences and meet people and it will definitely help. He/she only needs one person to say yes and go from there. Most of the time, it is the English major people that do well in technology companies. Someone needs to manage those tech people.

Not really kosher for a Fed to pressure a contractor to hire someone.

+1 This may not be technically nepotism, but it's still not right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any parents out there who paid $200K+ for college, kid did great, and now can't find job?
Kid graduated from top 20/30 school with honors and career center was completely worthless.

kids/parents who try to buy their way out always blame someone/something else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - major was English -- a beautiful major. The world needs more English majors.... especially from schools well known for their English & humanities departments. That should translate into many jobs in media, publishing, etc. And yes, with what we paid, no guarantees, but I would expect better assistance from the career center. The kid has worked so hard looking for a job and is not willing to be underemployed.

I appreciate the tecchies, but not everyone is made to do that work. The world needs some fuzzies, too. More than ever actually.

BTW - middle class burb family that has worked hard for it.

A beautiful major with limited career opportunities. The career center isn't going to put a fire under your kid to get out and get internships and secure a full-time job. Such an odd thing to place blame here. Maybe your child needs to consider being "underemployed" and then working hard to prove themselves and work their way up.

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Anonymous wrote:Any parents out there who paid $200K+ for college, kid did great, and now can't find job?
Kid graduated from top 20/30 school with honors and career center was completely worthless.

Is this a real post? Or a troll trying to make a point that top 20/30 schools aren't always worth the money?

[Anonymous]

OP, when your kid decided to major in English - what were his goals? What was his/her dream job?

Do not lose sight of that.. and keep trying. In the mean time, take up side gigs. Nothing worse than sitting at home looking at the computer and browsing aimlessly for jobs.

Tutor, teach EOSL , work a cashier, work at Home Depot, your local garden center, but dont stay put and dont forget why you decided to major in English.