Succession - Season 4

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Anonymous wrote:The subplot with Cousin Greg and his date was hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing.

What’s even in there? Flat shoes for the subway?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The subplot with Cousin Greg and his date was hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing.

What’s even in there? Flat shoes for the subway?

+1 it was so perfect, the date was pitch perfect in terms of being coded exactly wrong for that specific event but in a way that clueless Cousin Greg would not understand or pick up on (he'd see the Burberry plaid and think "cool she's rich, she'll fit in" and have absolutely no idea how he was getting that wrong). Also love watching Tom seize on the date as an opportunity to make fun of Greg, because Tom has been fully indoctrinated into the Roy habit of using criticism/teasing/cruelty to show closeness and to bond. So for him, it's like a gleeful occurrence for Greg to do two very dumb things on the same day (bring this uncouth woman to the party and then have sex with her in Logan's home) because it's a wonderful opportunity to bond with Greg by just absolutely ruining him.

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Anonymous wrote:I want a spin off that is just Geri, Frank and Karl. The three of them are hilarious.

YES!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The subplot with Cousin Greg and his date was hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing.

Have you seen the spinoff thread about her bag on the Beauty forum?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was a coincidence that the show cuts from Roman cracking jokes at Nan's house to Logan demanding that his minions lighten the mood and make jokes at his expense.

Logan misses Roman and he misses having people around willing to make fun of him, challenge him, and put him down. He misses having people around who share his sense of entitlement and firm belief that they are better than everyone else for no other reason than because they are Roys and this is their company.

Logan likes the chase. He loves winning but only if it's a fight. He's now surrounded by people who will roll over for him and tell him what he wants to hear, and he also knows that he could fire any of them at any time and they'd be out of his life forever. Not so for his kids (except Connor, who is pointless, and Logan knows this).

His kids are basically the only people in his life who don't treat him reverently and who sometimes act like they are his equals. Kerry is kind of playacting at this now but... she was his assistant. And he could drop her in an heartbeat. She's disposable.

I think Logan is actually thrilled that the kids are going to battle with him because it's a dynamic he enjoys and when the do something worthy of battling with Logan Roy by scuttling this deal, he's doubly thrilled because it creates a challenge for him to conquer AND it appeals to his ego that the only people who could actually give him a run for his money are his own children.

But the problem with this dynamic is that it only works when he's at odds with his kids. Every time he tries to bring one or more of them into the fold and become partners, it doesn't work. He gets paranoid/suspicious that they are trying to push him out (which to some degree they always are), plus when they are playing on the same team, they often start to become suck ups too (Shiv, in particular, is the worst about this, but Kendall does it too, and even Roman gets solicitous when he's in his dad's pocket).

I mean, they are toxic and terrible so what do you expect? Healthy family dynamics?

One reason I like this show is that despite hating everyone (except Geri) and the world it represents, I think there are some brutal truths in there about a lot of family dynamics. I'm not from some wealthy billionaire family but I've seen stuff like this play out in my family on a smaller scale, with the challenge of creating functional relationships between a patriarch who is both proud and resentful of being the one who pulled the family into a higher economic level, and kids who have been conditioned to need his praise and approval but have also come to resent the fact that they need it. Sometimes this show hits really close to home for me.

This is a fantastic summary! I agree with some PPs above who have pointed out that the business storylines are all shallow, thrown in for plot reasons, repetitive, hard to understand, and also completely beside the point. This show is the psychological portrait of a family, not a plot-driven show. The plot mostly exists to give the characters something to react to.

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Anonymous wrote:Is everyone who says they understand succession lying? I’m not an MBA and so much of the business jargon goes over my head.

I enjoyed when they were asking their accountant on the phone if they could afford 10 billion, and he was like "it's toppy, but we can do it." I'm going to try to work "toppy" into my everyday conversation.

[Anonymous]

I’m an mba and I understand the conversation and think it’s hilariously accurate. Very causally consultanty, especially in the last espisode. I had to pause it to explain it to my English major husband.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an mba and I understand the conversation and think it’s hilariously accurate. Very causally consultanty, especially in the last espisode. I had to pause it to explain it to my English major husband.

its still boring and repetitive regardless of your background and I'm pretty sure your English major husband got that much

[Anonymous]

I hope Marcia eventually comes back from "Milan, shopping, forever." Maybe she will return along with her son, and they'll be the ones who get everything in the end.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Marcia eventually comes back from "Milan, shopping, forever." Maybe she will return along with her son, and they'll be the ones who get everything in the end.

Nah, I think she left him after the newest mistress.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an mba and I understand the conversation and think it’s hilariously accurate. Very causally consultanty, especially in the last espisode. I had to pause it to explain it to my English major husband.

I’m a history major who had to pause and explain it to my MBA husband.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an mba and I understand the conversation and think it’s hilariously accurate. Very causally consultanty, especially in the last espisode. I had to pause it to explain it to my English major husband.

I’m a history major who had to pause and explain it to my MBA husband.

What was so complicated to understand? Serious question

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m an mba and I understand the conversation and think it’s hilariously accurate. Very causally consultanty, especially in the last espisode. I had to pause it to explain it to my English major husband.

I’m a history major who had to pause and explain it to my MBA husband.

What was so complicated to understand? Serious question

I don’t even remember. I think who’s who in all the peripheral characters and storylines, and how exactly they’re screwing each other over, is confusing to him.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m an mba and I understand the conversation and think it’s hilariously accurate. Very causally consultanty, especially in the last espisode. I had to pause it to explain it to my English major husband.

I’m a history major who had to pause and explain it to my MBA husband.

What was so complicated to understand? Serious question

I don’t even remember. I think who’s who in all the peripheral characters and storylines, and how exactly they’re screwing each other over, is confusing to him.

Ah I wasn’t sure if there was a lot of MBA business stuff. Shows like Industry and this do teach me some business acumen.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m an mba and I understand the conversation and think it’s hilariously accurate. Very causally consultanty, especially in the last espisode. I had to pause it to explain it to my English major husband.

I’m a history major who had to pause and explain it to my MBA husband.

What was so complicated to understand? Serious question

I don't think it was so hard to understand, I think the initial conversation between the siblings just started off weirdly choppy and purposely obnoxious with all the jargon. Probably purposely done like that though to make viewers think they're in way over their heads.