Compensatory Services

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can tell you it is designed to break the backs of the entire FCPS SpEd apparatus, from administration to teachers. If OCR wanted to "help" students by doing this, I think they took the wrong route.

This is my fear. At our IEP meeting I said I think they are going to burn out at the SPED teachers with this and I do not need a meeting. I said if they offer something for X issue (my child's academic issue), please feel free to email and we can communicate that way, but the SPED teachers work enough already.

I’m a teacher. My department chair is a teacher and her husband is a sped teacher in FCPS. When this came out he spent 6 hours alone poring over the IEPs of kids he doesn’t even teach anymore to do all this shit. Been doing elementary sped for 10 years and this has pushed him to thinking it’s time to leave. Sped teachers cannot teach, manage a current caseload, AND go back and redo and provide compensatory services for kids they haven’t taught in 3 years. It’s inhumane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are the options for kids that are now high school seniors? They can’t get services to make up for their partly 9th, 10th and 11th grade years.

You can extend the IEP until age 22 and use that for transitional services, including college or trade school, interview and job training skills, etc.

[Anonymous]

Teachers should not be spending hours poring over old IEPs. Just give people whatever they ask for. Most people won't ask for anything. Its not like fcps gave them a budget and they have to choose where to spend it. Its not worth their time to get into details and back and forth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would really like to see the training sessions for staff. Are they open to the public or posted somewhere?

Calm down. They are highly scripted and have to be approved by the Office of Civll Rights.

Okay, then where can we find this?

The training for staff on how to run the IEP meetings will be key for parents to see. They need to know what metrics the staff are using and what types of services will be covered. How much discretion do the IEP teams really have?

Say there was a child who had an IEP whose parents placed them at a private school for 2020-2022? What amount would be covered based on how high of a need there was? If a child only has an IEP for speech (ie can’t say their Rs), would the private school be fully covered? What about a child who had significant needs (ESY, virtually all of their hours were in Special Education, etc). How will the IEP team treat 2020-21 vs 2021-2022?

All of this needs to be clear to parents. It seems like FCPS would want to make the guidelines clear to their staff but keep parents in the dark. Right?

Would like to see the staff training and materials as well.

There has got to be a teacher somewhere who will screen record and leak it.

That should be available with FOIA request

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are the options for kids that are now high school seniors? They can’t get services to make up for their partly 9th, 10th and 11th grade years.

You can extend the IEP until age 22 and use that for transitional services, including college or trade school, interview and job training skills, etc.

Some of these parents somehow want blood from a stone. They want a time turner . They want the pandemic to never have happened. They want their kid to somehow have not suffered any minute loss even though EVERY HUMAN ON THIS PLANET was impacted in some way by it. They want someone to PAY, they don’t care how, they don’t care who, but somebody owes them something

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the options for kids that are now high school seniors? They can’t get services to make up for their partly 9th, 10th and 11th grade years.

You can extend the IEP until age 22 and use that for transitional services, including college or trade school, interview and job training skills, etc.

Some of these parents somehow want blood from a stone. They want a time turner . They want the pandemic to never have happened. They want their kid to somehow have not suffered any minute loss even though EVERY HUMAN ON THIS PLANET was impacted in some way by it. They want someone to PAY, they don’t care how, they don’t care who, but somebody owes them something

I mean, fcps has signed a legal agreement admitting that they owe people something. No one knows what. It is BS that they dumped all this on teachers. I agree with pp, don't waste your time reading old IePS. Reimburse for tutors or provide extra help or whatever.
Fcps has dumped all this shit on you. Just spend their money.

[Anonymous]

I hope parents use this as an opportunity to unite and demand new schools be built for future educational needs that will be needed to make up for FCPS not following federal law. I hope parents push for a school that focuses on high school age children that will need to utilize transitional services and extending the IEP beyond age 18. I’ve seen some great schools geared towards this population in other states and they’re really wonderful. They have vocational training, social skills classes, independent living classes, dual enrollment, etc. I anticipate that this type of school will be needed more now than ever before since with all these lost hours more children / parents will be opting to extend IEP Services beyond age 18. You can’t get back years lost but you can fight for resources that can be used to help ensure these children transition to adulthood prepared for what’s next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the options for kids that are now high school seniors? They can’t get services to make up for their partly 9th, 10th and 11th grade years.

You can extend the IEP until age 22 and use that for transitional services, including college or trade school, interview and job training skills, etc.

Some of these parents somehow want blood from a stone. They want a time turner . They want the pandemic to never have happened. They want their kid to somehow have not suffered any minute loss even though EVERY HUMAN ON THIS PLANET was impacted in some way by it. They want someone to PAY, they don’t care how, they don’t care who, but somebody owes them something

I mean, fcps has signed a legal agreement admitting that they owe people something. No one knows what. It is BS that they dumped all this on teachers. I agree with pp, don't waste your time reading old IePS. Reimburse for tutors or provide extra help or whatever.
Fcps has dumped all this shit on you. Just spend their money.

It’s not optional. We are required to pick through each and every IEP/ 504, past and present, that is or was on our caseload. We must provide information about services, dates of services, test scores, etc for every single one of these students. It takes roughly 75 minutes per student to do each sheet and that’s for people who know what they’re doing. That 75 minutes doesn’t include meetings with parents or anything else. I’d be happy to just tell FCPS to cut a check to families but that’s not how it works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the options for kids that are now high school seniors? They can’t get services to make up for their partly 9th, 10th and 11th grade years.

You can extend the IEP until age 22 and use that for transitional services, including college or trade school, interview and job training skills, etc.

Some of these parents somehow want blood from a stone. They want a time turner . They want the pandemic to never have happened. They want their kid to somehow have not suffered any minute loss even though EVERY HUMAN ON THIS PLANET was impacted in some way by it. They want someone to PAY, they don’t care how, they don’t care who, but somebody owes them something

I mean, fcps has signed a legal agreement admitting that they owe people something. No one knows what. It is BS that they dumped all this on teachers. I agree with pp, don't waste your time reading old IePS. Reimburse for tutors or provide extra help or whatever.
Fcps has dumped all this shit on you. Just spend their money.

It’s not optional. We are required to pick through each and every IEP/ 504, past and present, that is or was on our caseload. We must provide information about services, dates of services, test scores, etc for every single one of these students. It takes roughly 75 minutes per student to do each sheet and that’s for people who know what they’re doing. That 75 minutes doesn’t include meetings with parents or anything else. I’d be happy to just tell FCPS to cut a check to families but that’s not how it works.

Yeah why do they think this is voluntary or that sped teachers / case managers can just NOT do it? This isn’t something that’s optional or that sped tesvhers are doing because they want to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope parents use this as an opportunity to unite and demand new schools be built for future educational needs that will be needed to make up for FCPS not following federal law. I hope parents push for a school that focuses on high school age children that will need to utilize transitional services and extending the IEP beyond age 18. I’ve seen some great schools geared towards this population in other states and they’re really wonderful. They have vocational training, social skills classes, independent living classes, dual enrollment, etc. I anticipate that this type of school will be needed more now than ever before since with all these lost hours more children / parents will be opting to extend IEP Services beyond age 18. You can’t get back years lost but you can fight for resources that can be used to help ensure these children transition to adulthood prepared for what’s next.

Already exists. FCPS has the Interagency Alternative Schools program. It's a shame counselors don't recommend it and parents seem hesitant to enroll because of the stigma of alternative environments.
https://interagency.fcps.edu/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the options for kids that are now high school seniors? They can’t get services to make up for their partly 9th, 10th and 11th grade years.

You can extend the IEP until age 22 and use that for transitional services, including college or trade school, interview and job training skills, etc.

Some of these parents somehow want blood from a stone. They want a time turner . They want the pandemic to never have happened. They want their kid to somehow have not suffered any minute loss even though EVERY HUMAN ON THIS PLANET was impacted in some way by it. They want someone to PAY, they don’t care how, they don’t care who, but somebody owes them something

I mean, fcps has signed a legal agreement admitting that they owe people something. No one knows what. It is BS that they dumped all this on teachers. I agree with pp, don't waste your time reading old IePS. Reimburse for tutors or provide extra help or whatever.
Fcps has dumped all this shit on you. Just spend their money.

It’s not optional. We are required to pick through each and every IEP/ 504, past and present, that is or was on our caseload. We must provide information about services, dates of services, test scores, etc for every single one of these students. It takes roughly 75 minutes per student to do each sheet and that’s for people who know what they’re doing. That 75 minutes doesn’t include meetings with parents or anything else. I’d be happy to just tell FCPS to cut a check to families but that’s not how it works.

…and I’m sure there are plenty of non-teaching professionals with fancy titles at Gatehouse that could be reassigned to do this 75min per student paper push for these former students. Ridiculous that current case managers are being tasked with adding this to their full plates.

[Anonymous]

I wish the Federal Government would pay for all the services that they insist that the Public Schools provide so that the schools were actually in a position to do their jobs properly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone explain:

1) Why did FCPS sign this voluntary agreement?

2) Why was FCPS singled out for an OCR investigation? What happened in FCPS to special education students from 2020-2022 was not terribly unique.

I do not understand the dynamic and politics of the settlement at all.

They picked a few large school districts in the US for this investigation. School districts all over the US did WAAAAAAY less than FCPS did but because we're big and always in the news, we got singled out. FCPS was following the guidance they were given by VDOE but someone decided that wasn't good enough.

where is this data? it is hard to do less than nothing.

Yeah, okay...the teachers did nothing. My kids were online every, single day with their teachers learning the curriculum. My child who receives special education services was pulled into small groups online just like she would have been had she been in person. She got her accommodations and she got instruction. You people who keep saying the teachers did nothing are flat out lying. I simply do not believe you. I understand that some related services such as speech and OT got the shaft, particularly since it's hard to provide those services virtually. But do not lie and say your kid literally got no instruction for a year.

I think they are referring to receiving no ‘special Ed’ services for a whole year. No pullouts, no 1 on 1s, no small groups. This did happen to my DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would really like to see the training sessions for staff. Are they open to the public or posted somewhere?

Calm down. They are highly scripted and have to be approved by the Office of Civll Rights.

Okay, then where can we find this?

The training for staff on how to run the IEP meetings will be key for parents to see. They need to know what metrics the staff are using and what types of services will be covered. How much discretion do the IEP teams really have?

Say there was a child who had an IEP whose parents placed them at a private school for 2020-2022? What amount would be covered based on how high of a need there was? If a child only has an IEP for speech (ie can’t say their Rs), would the private school be fully covered? What about a child who had significant needs (ESY, virtually all of their hours were in Special Education, etc). How will the IEP team treat 2020-21 vs 2021-2022?

All of this needs to be clear to parents. It seems like FCPS would want to make the guidelines clear to their staff but keep parents in the dark. Right?

Would like to see the staff training and materials as well.

There has got to be a teacher somewhere who will screen record and leak it.

That should be available with FOIA request

Yup, here are the materials that were obtained with a FOIA request. Looks like FCPS did not fully respond to the request, so probably there are still more training materials to come.

https://specialeducationaction.com/foia-release-fa...ed-by-office-for-civil-rights/