Indiana Mall Shooting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Indiana - about an hour north of this mall. I'm not "pro-gun" and I'm not a fan of Indiana's carry law at all. I don't like the idea of good guy vs bad guy shoot outs in public places.

That said, I'm glad that this particular guy was at that mall at that time. It took him 15 seconds to kill the shooter. The shooter who apparently had been so abused as a child that his older brother fought his mom for custody.

How long would it have taken the police? How many people would have been murdered?

So, I'm typically a no go with regular people (hopefully not crazy people) carrying guns. Unless of course I'm with my kid at a food court and there's an active shooter.

It was a matter for the police to handle. Not some junior rambo small dick incel. He probably accidentally shot at least one or more of the victims while trying to shoot the other guy. The police are covering it up because cops tend to be gun nutters themselves

Would you just stop repeating this lie. You are spewing crap.
Had he shot an innocent bystander, we would have definitely heard about it from eye witnesses.
He was there. The police weren't. No telling how many others this sicko would have killed had the good guy not taken him down.

He not only cornered the shooter, risked his life and took him down, but he was motioning to people in the food court to the exit while he did this.
And, he is only 22 years old. A hero. Despite the lies you want to spew.

+100
WSJ has a great editorial about this. Too bad the PP is so far gone into her nuttery she's not worth conversing with.

Thanks to his quick action, the mass shooting ended within seconds. “I will say his actions were nothing short of heroic,” said Greenwood Police Chief James Ison. “He engaged the gunman from quite a distance with a handgun, was very proficient in that, very tactically sound, and as he moved to close in on the suspect, he was also motioning for people to exit behind him. To our knowledge, he has no police training and no military background.”

Mr. Dicken hasn’t spoken to the media yet, as far as we know, and not much else is public. “He is requesting you give him time to process and grieve,” Mr. Ison told the press. When he’s ready, give him the keys to the city. Going by the story police are telling, Mr. Dicken put himself in grave danger to save the lives of possibly dozens of strangers.

The police chief couldn’t have been clearer about Mr. Dicken’s heroism. “Many more people would have died,” Mr. Ison said, “if not for a responsible armed citizen that took action very quickly.” That’s worth meditating on for states like New York, which are trying to make it all but impossible for responsible gun owners to take their weapons anywhere in public.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elisjsha-dicken-stops-a-mass-shooting-indiana-mall-james-ison-11658261503

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What needs to happen is that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies and the local-state-federal judiciaries need to enforce the laws on the books. Without fail, almost every single shooter is crazy, on a SSRI, seeing a shrink, has had prior brushes with law enforcement AND is known to the FBI.

The problem isn't guns as if that were the case, we'd be having multiple daily mass shootings. The problem is crazy people with guns, who should have LEGALLY never had the firearm to start with.

There is a very dark plan playing out under the surface. If you don't think for a second that many of these shootings are allowed to happen by law enforcement - in particular the Feds - in order to push a gun control agenda.

Who cares? I want guns banned. All of them. I don’t care what kind. If mass shootings are what make that possible, then bring on the mass shootings. Eventually we’ll get fed up enough and take the guns. Until then, the more mass shootings the better.

And I’m not the least bit ashamed of saying that.

Wow.

Just freakin’ wow.

Yeah. Some of the people here are just sick. Very sick.
To them.... the ends justify the means. Sad.

NP. Doesn’t the same go for the gun nuts? Mass shootings and all those lives sacrificed are worth it as long their right to carry with few or no restrictions. They won’t say it quite so boldly, but it’s true.

+1. Every mass shooting is another sacrifice to the God of the Second Amendment. To his devotees, the only way to stop mass shootings is to make sure every man, woman, and child is armed to the teeth at all times.

They are very concerned about what the government will do to them when they are unarmed, because of how *they* treat people who are unarmed. In one breadth, they vote for candidates who make it impossible to get a life saving abortion, while making it incredibly easy for a mentally ill 18 year old with known murder fantasies to amass an arsenal in an afternoon.

Take their guns.

[Anonymous]

The shooter was a terrorist radicalized by 4Chan

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzxba/indiana-mall-gunman-4chan

[Anonymous]

The fact this “hero” felt the need to carry his weapon into a suburban mall is a devastating indictment of our society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact this “hero” felt the need to carry his weapon into a suburban mall is a devastating indictment of our society.

Luckily for many people at that mall, he did.

I hope this encourages more people to train regularly and carry often.

[Anonymous]

There was a story awhile back where a would be hero was mistakenly shot and killed by police. This guy was a hero and I hope he can handle the publicity. I think back to the guy who rescued Jessica McClure and later committed suicide. This guy is a hero and deserves privacy, not to be used as a political pawn on either side. He’s probably traumatized as are the other survivors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The shooter was a terrorist radicalized by 4Chan

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzxba/indiana-mall-gunman-4chan

As predictable as the sun rising in the East tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Indiana - about an hour north of this mall. I'm not "pro-gun" and I'm not a fan of Indiana's carry law at all. I don't like the idea of good guy vs bad guy shoot outs in public places.

That said, I'm glad that this particular guy was at that mall at that time. It took him 15 seconds to kill the shooter. The shooter who apparently had been so abused as a child that his older brother fought his mom for custody.

How long would it have taken the police? How many people would have been murdered?

So, I'm typically a no go with regular people (hopefully not crazy people) carrying guns. Unless of course I'm with my kid at a food court and there's an active shooter.

It was a matter for the police to handle. Not some junior rambo small dick incel. He probably accidentally shot at least one or more of the victims while trying to shoot the other guy. The police are covering it up because cops tend to be gun nutters themselves

Would you just stop repeating this lie. You are spewing crap.
Had he shot an innocent bystander, we would have definitely heard about it from eye witnesses.
He was there. The police weren't. No telling how many others this sicko would have killed had the good guy not taken him down.

He not only cornered the shooter, risked his life and took him down, but he was motioning to people in the food court to the exit while he did this.
And, he is only 22 years old. A hero. Despite the lies you want to spew.

+100
WSJ has a great editorial about this. Too bad the PP is so far gone into her nuttery she's not worth conversing with.

Thanks to his quick action, the mass shooting ended within seconds. “I will say his actions were nothing short of heroic,” said Greenwood Police Chief James Ison. “He engaged the gunman from quite a distance with a handgun, was very proficient in that, very tactically sound, and as he moved to close in on the suspect, he was also motioning for people to exit behind him. To our knowledge, he has no police training and no military background.”

Mr. Dicken hasn’t spoken to the media yet, as far as we know, and not much else is public. “He is requesting you give him time to process and grieve,” Mr. Ison told the press. When he’s ready, give him the keys to the city. Going by the story police are telling, Mr. Dicken put himself in grave danger to save the lives of possibly dozens of strangers.

The police chief couldn’t have been clearer about Mr. Dicken’s heroism. “Many more people would have died,” Mr. Ison said, “if not for a responsible armed citizen that took action very quickly.” That’s worth meditating on for states like New York, which are trying to make it all but impossible for responsible gun owners to take their weapons anywhere in public.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elisjsha-dicken-stops-a-mass-shooting-indiana-mall-james-ison-11658261503

And if we weren't a country awash in guns with lax gun control laws this never would have happened. Or at the very least it would have been shocking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The shooter was a terrorist radicalized by 4Chan

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzxba/indiana-mall-gunman-4chan

And there are a thousand more just like him. And we do absolutely zero vetting to bother figuring this kind of radicalization out. We don't do any kind of adequately meaningful background checks to see if someone buying a gun has a history of serious mental illness - that proven by Virginia Tech and many other shootings. We don't do any kind of adequately meaningful checks to see if someone buying a gun has a history of violence, domestic disturbance, school fights or other red flags, Highland Park proves this.

And, we also don't do nearly enough to stop the flow of illegal guns. Millions of guns have changed hands in this country without any traceability or accountability and we do absolutely nothing to meaningfully stop that flow, and we deny the police the tools to do anything about it.

[Anonymous]

Further details emerging now about the mall attack…

The Good Samaritan (with a gun) engaged and killed the shooter in 14 seconds of him beginning his attack on innocent people.

GS fired 10 rounds in 3 seconds, with 8 hits, from a distance of 44 yards.

I seriously doubt even the top half-percentile of police officers could shoot as well as this person, since police typically only shoot their guns for qualification and spend very little time otherwise training.

Right person, right place, right time. Thank heavens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Further details emerging now about the mall attack…

The Good Samaritan (with a gun) engaged and killed the shooter in 14 seconds of him beginning his attack on innocent people.

GS fired 10 rounds in 3 seconds, with 8 hits, from a distance of 44 yards.

I seriously doubt even the top half-percentile of police officers could shoot as well as this person, since police typically only shoot their guns for qualification and spend very little time otherwise training.

Right person, right place, right time. Thank heavens.

Too bad so sad about the two people who weren’t saved the good guy with a gun. Well that’s just the price of freedom. Let’s doff our caps in respect of their sacrifice for the 2nd amendment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact this “hero” felt the need to carry his weapon into a suburban mall is a devastating indictment of our society.

Luckily for many people at that mall, he did.

I hope this encourages more people to train regularly and carry often.

But, what if I don’t want to. And what if my kid is autistic and shouldn’t be around a gun, so he shouldn’t train. I guess he will just get shot in your world? Or just has to hope the people around him trained Hard.

What if everyone in the mall started shooting at the guy and then hit other people?

Is this really the answer to you?

Or only people who train regularly and are good marksmen should have a gun? like restrictions or something?

Keep thinking and see what happens if your idea becomes a reality.