WTU rallies for new contract

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Anonymous wrote:All teacher's unions have enormous power now with teachers quitting, retiring, etc. I suspect a deal will get done fairly quickly. One side has all the leverage and it's not even close.


Then why no contract after over 3 years? If they have ‘enormous’ power.

Please, I encourage you to stop spreading misinformation. It only hurts us and ultimately the kids pay the price as they have been. And yes, covid was a part of that and the learning loss. I volunteered to go back in Jan 2021 but even still I understand the hurt parents feel for their babies’ loss.

But we can only move forward and we (teachers) need a better evaluation system, title 1 schools especially need more resources, we need to figure out how we can stop chronic absences and tardies, and yes teachers do need a raise. I know we are paid ‘well’ but I want to continue living in DC, I support better wages for literally almost everyone.


This is the insidious framing that teachers often employ, and it's often nonsense. They suggest that anything that hurts teachers will inevitably hurt students. In reality, the teachers union is looking out for the interests of teachers (as it should - this is not a criticism, that is the function of the union). If it also helps the kids, great. But that's serendipitous, not the purpose of the union's position. But you can't have a conversation with a teacher without being told "what's good for teachers is good for students." That's a myth.



Oh? So keeping great teachers doesn’t help students?
Attracting people to DCPS doesn’t help?

Because if you did not know the WTU includes SLPs, OTs, social workers, etc.

What is good for teachers is indeed related to students besides maybe pay. And the purpose of the union is connected to students because WE (teachers) connect it to them.

For example class size doesn’t impact students?
Caseload size?
If the teacher is absent having a sub in place?
Planning time so students can engage in well thought out lessons?
Actually being paid for after school time so students can enjoy more clubs?


you lost this argument when you kept schools closed for 1.5 yrs. We told you then that the consequences would be a massive loss of parent support for the union in the future. well, here we are.


NP here. You sound insane. Give it a rest already.
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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the uncertainty generated by the WTU can just go to a charter. It won't be a great charter if they decide at the beginning of the school year, but they can go.

Who cares, anyway. WTU doesn't need you or your kids.


WTU, come get your people. This is exactly what not to do if prepping for a strike. Y’all are chaotic.


But WTU doesn't want parent support. They keep saying over and over that it doesn't matter if people leave DCPS. And I guess it doesn't matter if they don't get their preferred person elected mayor. In a way, there's truth to this. Who cares if parents support the union? The only thing that happens is some small percentage of people leave or go private or go to charters. Parents have no power, aside from the elections and voting with their feet. The union doesn't need support.

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the uncertainty generated by the WTU can just go to a charter. It won't be a great charter if they decide at the beginning of the school year, but they can go.

Who cares, anyway. WTU doesn't need you or your kids.


WTU, come get your people. This is exactly what not to do if prepping for a strike. Y’all are chaotic.


But WTU doesn't want parent support. They keep saying over and over that it doesn't matter if people leave DCPS. And I guess it doesn't matter if they don't get their preferred person elected mayor. In a way, there's truth to this. Who cares if parents support the union? The only thing that happens is some small percentage of people leave or go private or go to charters. Parents have no power, aside from the elections and voting with their feet. The union doesn't need support.



Yea I agree with this. Life would be a lot easier with some support from people on this board, but let’s be real. Most of you just yell into a void all day, and have no practical influence on whether or not we have a contract. Maybe one day we can all get along!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the uncertainty generated by the WTU can just go to a charter. It won't be a great charter if they decide at the beginning of the school year, but they can go.

Who cares, anyway. WTU doesn't need you or your kids.


WTU, come get your people. This is exactly what not to do if prepping for a strike. Y’all are chaotic.


But WTU doesn't want parent support. They keep saying over and over that it doesn't matter if people leave DCPS. And I guess it doesn't matter if they don't get their preferred person elected mayor. In a way, there's truth to this. Who cares if parents support the union? The only thing that happens is some small percentage of people leave or go private or go to charters. Parents have no power, aside from the elections and voting with their feet. The union doesn't need support.



Yea I agree with this. Life would be a lot easier with some support from people on this board, but let’s be real. Most of you just yell into a void all day, and have no practical influence on whether or not we have a contract. Maybe one day we can all get along!


The only influence is that you have to negotiate with Bowser versus R. White. So that's probably meaningful.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the uncertainty generated by the WTU can just go to a charter. It won't be a great charter if they decide at the beginning of the school year, but they can go.

Who cares, anyway. WTU doesn't need you or your kids.


WTU, come get your people. This is exactly what not to do if prepping for a strike. Y’all are chaotic.


But WTU doesn't want parent support. They keep saying over and over that it doesn't matter if people leave DCPS. And I guess it doesn't matter if they don't get their preferred person elected mayor. In a way, there's truth to this. Who cares if parents support the union? The only thing that happens is some small percentage of people leave or go private or go to charters. Parents have no power, aside from the elections and voting with their feet. The union doesn't need support.



Yea I agree with this. Life would be a lot easier with some support from people on this board, but let’s be real. Most of you just yell into a void all day, and have no practical influence on whether or not we have a contract. Maybe one day we can all get along!


The only influence is that you have to negotiate with Bowser versus R. White. So that's probably meaningful.


True, but nothing that was discussed on here changed that election.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:IMO, DCUM represents a very small percentage of DC parents. The majority of parents I talk too have have no idea what it is and don't care. Taking surveys at a supermarket is probably more representative. Still the WTU needs to do a better job of communicating what it wants.

I get a ton of mail for the DC primaries. Is the WTU sending out mailers, updates on Twitter, Facebook, etc. to gain support? Maybe I just missed it.


I’m a teacher. The colleagues I’ve spoken to want smaller class sizes, a raise (do you know other DC employees are receiving a 12% increase over the next four years), I would love cola but maybe that’s a dream, substitutes, real planning periods that aren’t taken up by covering classes or LEAP meetings that aren’t meaningful, true sped resources, and a fair evaluation tool. I teach high school, I image ECE teachers need paraprofessionals and probably other things I’m not aware of.

Let me point out here that the rank and file teachers have no idea what’s being negotiated because we don’t have a seat at the table and the negotiations are supposedly confidential. I get really tired of being accused of things that the vast majority of DCPS teachers have nothing to do with. The finger pointing and outrage aimed at educators on this board is disgusting.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the uncertainty generated by the WTU can just go to a charter. It won't be a great charter if they decide at the beginning of the school year, but they can go.

Who cares, anyway. WTU doesn't need you or your kids.


WTU, come get your people. This is exactly what not to do if prepping for a strike. Y’all are chaotic.


But WTU doesn't want parent support. They keep saying over and over that it doesn't matter if people leave DCPS. And I guess it doesn't matter if they don't get their preferred person elected mayor. In a way, there's truth to this. Who cares if parents support the union? The only thing that happens is some small percentage of people leave or go private or go to charters. Parents have no power, aside from the elections and voting with their feet. The union doesn't need support.



Yea I agree with this. Life would be a lot easier with some support from people on this board, but let’s be real. Most of you just yell into a void all day, and have no practical influence on whether or not we have a contract. Maybe one day we can all get along!


The only influence is that you have to negotiate with Bowser versus R. White. So that's probably meaningful.


True, but nothing that was discussed on here changed that election.


You don't think that support for the union (or lack thereof) had any bearing on the election? Huh. It's possible, but certainly there were enough people loudly proclaiming they wouldn't vote for R. White due to his support from the union. I certainly know many in real life.
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Anonymous wrote:IMO, DCUM represents a very small percentage of DC parents. The majority of parents I talk too have have no idea what it is and don't care. Taking surveys at a supermarket is probably more representative. Still the WTU needs to do a better job of communicating what it wants.

I get a ton of mail for the DC primaries. Is the WTU sending out mailers, updates on Twitter, Facebook, etc. to gain support? Maybe I just missed it.


I’m a teacher. The colleagues I’ve spoken to want smaller class sizes, a raise (do you know other DC employees are receiving a 12% increase over the next four years), I would love cola but maybe that’s a dream, substitutes, real planning periods that aren’t taken up by covering classes or LEAP meetings that aren’t meaningful, true sped resources, and a fair evaluation tool. I teach high school, I image ECE teachers need paraprofessionals and probably other things I’m not aware of.

Let me point out here that the rank and file teachers have no idea what’s being negotiated because we don’t have a seat at the table and the negotiations are supposedly confidential. I get really tired of being accused of things that the vast majority of DCPS teachers have nothing to do with. The finger pointing and outrage aimed at educators on this board is disgusting.


Why do you trust your union leadership, if you don't know if they are advocating for the things you'd like?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All teacher's unions have enormous power now with teachers quitting, retiring, etc. I suspect a deal will get done fairly quickly. One side has all the leverage and it's not even close.


Then why no contract after over 3 years? If they have ‘enormous’ power.

Please, I encourage you to stop spreading misinformation. It only hurts us and ultimately the kids pay the price as they have been. And yes, covid was a part of that and the learning loss. I volunteered to go back in Jan 2021 but even still I understand the hurt parents feel for their babies’ loss.

But we can only move forward and we (teachers) need a better evaluation system, title 1 schools especially need more resources, we need to figure out how we can stop chronic absences and tardies, and yes teachers do need a raise. I know we are paid ‘well’ but I want to continue living in DC, I support better wages for literally almost everyone.


This is the insidious framing that teachers often employ, and it's often nonsense. They suggest that anything that hurts teachers will inevitably hurt students. In reality, the teachers union is looking out for the interests of teachers (as it should - this is not a criticism, that is the function of the union). If it also helps the kids, great. But that's serendipitous, not the purpose of the union's position. But you can't have a conversation with a teacher without being told "what's good for teachers is good for students." That's a myth.



Oh? So keeping great teachers doesn’t help students?
Attracting people to DCPS doesn’t help?

Because if you did not know the WTU includes SLPs, OTs, social workers, etc.

What is good for teachers is indeed related to students besides maybe pay. And the purpose of the union is connected to students because WE (teachers) connect it to them.

For example class size doesn’t impact students?
Caseload size?
If the teacher is absent having a sub in place?
Planning time so students can engage in well thought out lessons?
Actually being paid for after school time so students can enjoy more clubs?


you lost this argument when you kept schools closed for 1.5 yrs. We told you then that the consequences would be a massive loss of parent support for the union in the future. well, here we are.


It's the single worst thing that could have happened. Families who had the resources to pivot and educate kids at home or got them into privates for that time learned, hey, turns out I don't NEED schools and teachers as much as I though I did. And families who struggled for a year and a half just to function without in person school lost trust with teachers and schools.

I think the union and individual teachers see the small minority of very vocal parents who will back the union no matter what and fully supported closures and think they have the backing of families. They don't. For us it's a tenuous dance where I like our individual teachers but am still recovering from what 18 months of school closures meant for a our family, and if we start the year with a teacher strike, I really am done -- charter or moving, but no more DCPS.


Lmao what a lie. You need teachers if you’d like to save money. What a deflection. Ok Karen, there are less families like you living in DC.


Fewer, teacher, Fewer.


Less parents like you, lessssssssssss.


Doubling down on incorrect grammar. Give this teacher a raise!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the uncertainty generated by the WTU can just go to a charter. It won't be a great charter if they decide at the beginning of the school year, but they can go.

Who cares, anyway. WTU doesn't need you or your kids.


WTU, come get your people. This is exactly what not to do if prepping for a strike. Y’all are chaotic.


But WTU doesn't want parent support. They keep saying over and over that it doesn't matter if people leave DCPS. And I guess it doesn't matter if they don't get their preferred person elected mayor. In a way, there's truth to this. Who cares if parents support the union? The only thing that happens is some small percentage of people leave or go private or go to charters. Parents have no power, aside from the elections and voting with their feet. The union doesn't need support.



Yea I agree with this. Life would be a lot easier with some support from people on this board, but let’s be real. Most of you just yell into a void all day, and have no practical influence on whether or not we have a contract. Maybe one day we can all get along!


The only influence is that you have to negotiate with Bowser versus R. White. So that's probably meaningful.


True, but nothing that was discussed on here changed that election.


You don't think that support for the union (or lack thereof) had any bearing on the election? Huh. It's possible, but certainly there were enough people loudly proclaiming they wouldn't vote for R. White due to his support from the union. I certainly know many in real life.


I mean that there is nothing we can do presently to convince a certain subset of parents to support us, so we will get what we need with out them. It’s not my preference as I believe coalitions are helpful and beneficial to maintaining good communities, but there is nothing I have seen in my two years on DCUM to think that the majority of people who post here have any interest in this.

We’ll get our contract. Maybe we strike, maybe we won’t have to, I don’t know.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:IMO, DCUM represents a very small percentage of DC parents. The majority of parents I talk too have have no idea what it is and don't care. Taking surveys at a supermarket is probably more representative. Still the WTU needs to do a better job of communicating what it wants.

I get a ton of mail for the DC primaries. Is the WTU sending out mailers, updates on Twitter, Facebook, etc. to gain support? Maybe I just missed it.


I’m a teacher. The colleagues I’ve spoken to want smaller class sizes, a raise (do you know other DC employees are receiving a 12% increase over the next four years), I would love cola but maybe that’s a dream, substitutes, real planning periods that aren’t taken up by covering classes or LEAP meetings that aren’t meaningful, true sped resources, and a fair evaluation tool. I teach high school, I image ECE teachers need paraprofessionals and probably other things I’m not aware of.

Let me point out here that the rank and file teachers have no idea what’s being negotiated because we don’t have a seat at the table and the negotiations are supposedly confidential. I get really tired of being accused of things that the vast majority of DCPS teachers have nothing to do with. The finger pointing and outrage aimed at educators on this board is disgusting.


Why do you trust your union leadership, if you don't know if they are advocating for the things you'd like?


DP (also the OP). I don’t love our leadership but I think theyre much more aligned with my interests than Bowser and her team
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the uncertainty generated by the WTU can just go to a charter. It won't be a great charter if they decide at the beginning of the school year, but they can go.

Who cares, anyway. WTU doesn't need you or your kids.


WTU, come get your people. This is exactly what not to do if prepping for a strike. Y’all are chaotic.


But WTU doesn't want parent support. They keep saying over and over that it doesn't matter if people leave DCPS. And I guess it doesn't matter if they don't get their preferred person elected mayor. In a way, there's truth to this. Who cares if parents support the union? The only thing that happens is some small percentage of people leave or go private or go to charters. Parents have no power, aside from the elections and voting with their feet. The union doesn't need support.



Yea I agree with this. Life would be a lot easier with some support from people on this board, but let’s be real. Most of you just yell into a void all day, and have no practical influence on whether or not we have a contract. Maybe one day we can all get along!


The only influence is that you have to negotiate with Bowser versus R. White. So that's probably meaningful.


True, but nothing that was discussed on here changed that election.


You don't think that support for the union (or lack thereof) had any bearing on the election? Huh. It's possible, but certainly there were enough people loudly proclaiming they wouldn't vote for R. White due to his support from the union. I certainly know many in real life.


I mean that there is nothing we can do presently to convince a certain subset of parents to support us, so we will get what we need with out them. It’s not my preference as I believe coalitions are helpful and beneficial to maintaining good communities, but there is nothing I have seen in my two years on DCUM to think that the majority of people who post here have any interest in this.

We’ll get our contract. Maybe we strike, maybe we won’t have to, I don’t know.


I guess it only matters how far you are thinking into the future, and how long you think people's memories are. There will be future elections, and people may be less supportive of union-endorsed candidates. That won't happen in the next couple of years, so I guess the idea is to hope that no one remembers that the union did something that potentially hurt children (striking).
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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the uncertainty generated by the WTU can just go to a charter. It won't be a great charter if they decide at the beginning of the school year, but they can go.

Who cares, anyway. WTU doesn't need you or your kids.


WTU might not, but individual teachers do. If DCPS enrollment numbers fall, if more parents move to charters, go private, or move, then DCPS will employ fewer teachers. Alienating parents and saying "WTU doesn't need you" is a good way to make yourself obsolete because parents do have other options in this city for education, but if you want a union teaching gig in DC, good luck getting one or holding onto it if enrollment declines even 10%.

This is also one or the ways you can tell whose voice counts in WTU and what union officials mean when they talk about teachers. Are they talking about young teachers, new teachers, specials teachers, paras, librarians? Nope, because those are the people most likely to lose their jobs due to low enrollment, especially at schools in Wards 5/6/7/8. Teachers with seniority, near retirement don't really have to worry about this issue. So they can say "we don't need you" to parents. But this is not true for teachers in the district as a whole, who absolutely need students enrolled. And for specials teachers and paras, the investment of families can literally mean the difference between having a job or not -- it is community action that often saves the job or a librarian or art teacher or pays for paras in many classrooms, when DCPS claims it can't afford to keep them on.

None of the actual teachers I know would ever say "we don't need you." They work at Title 1 schools (both my kids are at Title 1 schools) and work hard to build community with parents because it's better for the kids and the school. They are teaching because they care about the kids. They view parents as allies in those efforts.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the uncertainty generated by the WTU can just go to a charter. It won't be a great charter if they decide at the beginning of the school year, but they can go.

Who cares, anyway. WTU doesn't need you or your kids.


WTU, come get your people. This is exactly what not to do if prepping for a strike. Y’all are chaotic.


But WTU doesn't want parent support. They keep saying over and over that it doesn't matter if people leave DCPS. And I guess it doesn't matter if they don't get their preferred person elected mayor. In a way, there's truth to this. Who cares if parents support the union? The only thing that happens is some small percentage of people leave or go private or go to charters. Parents have no power, aside from the elections and voting with their feet. The union doesn't need support.



Yea I agree with this. Life would be a lot easier with some support from people on this board, but let’s be real. Most of you just yell into a void all day, and have no practical influence on whether or not we have a contract. Maybe one day we can all get along!


The only influence is that you have to negotiate with Bowser versus R. White. So that's probably meaningful.


True, but nothing that was discussed on here changed that election.


You don't think that support for the union (or lack thereof) had any bearing on the election? Huh. It's possible, but certainly there were enough people loudly proclaiming they wouldn't vote for R. White due to his support from the union. I certainly know many in real life.


I mean that there is nothing we can do presently to convince a certain subset of parents to support us, so we will get what we need with out them. It’s not my preference as I believe coalitions are helpful and beneficial to maintaining good communities, but there is nothing I have seen in my two years on DCUM to think that the majority of people who post here have any interest in this.

We’ll get our contract. Maybe we strike, maybe we won’t have to, I don’t know.


I guess it only matters how far you are thinking into the future, and how long you think people's memories are. There will be future elections, and people may be less supportive of union-endorsed candidates. That won't happen in the next couple of years, so I guess the idea is to hope that no one remembers that the union did something that potentially hurt children (striking).


I think you are right and it’s an interesting discussion (though probably best served for the dc politics forum). This last election showed a pretty strong swing toward progressive values, which would seem to heavily favor the union. Palmer almost upset Mendo, and Bowser didn’t even get 50% of the vote, with the margin between her and r white trayons vote count. I think you could just as easily argue that the beliefs and values of the people that dominate this thread are becoming obsolete
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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't like the uncertainty generated by the WTU can just go to a charter. It won't be a great charter if they decide at the beginning of the school year, but they can go.

Who cares, anyway. WTU doesn't need you or your kids.


WTU, come get your people. This is exactly what not to do if prepping for a strike. Y’all are chaotic.


But WTU doesn't want parent support. They keep saying over and over that it doesn't matter if people leave DCPS. And I guess it doesn't matter if they don't get their preferred person elected mayor. In a way, there's truth to this. Who cares if parents support the union? The only thing that happens is some small percentage of people leave or go private or go to charters. Parents have no power, aside from the elections and voting with their feet. The union doesn't need support.



Yea I agree with this. Life would be a lot easier with some support from people on this board, but let’s be real. Most of you just yell into a void all day, and have no practical influence on whether or not we have a contract. Maybe one day we can all get along!


The only influence is that you have to negotiate with Bowser versus R. White. So that's probably meaningful.


True, but nothing that was discussed on here changed that election.


You don't think that support for the union (or lack thereof) had any bearing on the election? Huh. It's possible, but certainly there were enough people loudly proclaiming they wouldn't vote for R. White due to his support from the union. I certainly know many in real life.


I mean that there is nothing we can do presently to convince a certain subset of parents to support us, so we will get what we need with out them. It’s not my preference as I believe coalitions are helpful and beneficial to maintaining good communities, but there is nothing I have seen in my two years on DCUM to think that the majority of people who post here have any interest in this.

We’ll get our contract. Maybe we strike, maybe we won’t have to, I don’t know.


I guess it only matters how far you are thinking into the future, and how long you think people's memories are. There will be future elections, and people may be less supportive of union-endorsed candidates. That won't happen in the next couple of years, so I guess the idea is to hope that no one remembers that the union did something that potentially hurt children (striking).


I think you are right and it’s an interesting discussion (though probably best served for the dc politics forum). This last election showed a pretty strong swing toward progressive values, which would seem to heavily favor the union. Palmer almost upset Mendo, and Bowser didn’t even get 50% of the vote, with the margin between her and r white trayons vote count. I think you could just as easily argue that the beliefs and values of the people that dominate this thread are becoming obsolete


I wouldn't bank on a swing to far-left progressivism in DC, nor would I view decisive losses as a sign of winning. But ok.
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