MIT's findings on standardized tests is worth noting

[Anonymous]

When MIT reinstated standardized testing again last week, they released the following statement. There is a small footnote here on the efficacy of these tests that if worth reading


https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our-sat-act-requirement-for-future-admissions-cycles/

Our research shows this predictive validity holds even when you control for socioeconomic factors that correlate with testing. It also shows that good grades in high school do not themselves necessarily translate to academic success at MIT if you cannot account for testing. Of course, we can never be fully certain how any given applicant will do: we're predicting the development of people, not the movement of planets, and people always surprise you. However, our research does help us establish bands of confidence that hold true in the aggregate, while allowing us, as admissions officers, to exercise individual contextual discretion in each case. The word 'significantly' in this bullet point is accurate both statistically and idiomatically] is signifhcantly improved by considering standardized testing especially in mathematics alongside other factors


This is the truth that elite colleges are deliberately choosing to ignore or obfuscate in their quest for racial diversity. How can these colleges teach our kids to think straight and speak the truth, when they are unwilling or unable to acknowledge it themselves?

[Anonymous]

Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

You can live in this dream world if you like but even the findings by the UC report contradict this

https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/committees/sttf/sttf-report.pdf

Test optional is a disingenuous policy by elite schools to pursue racial diversity away from legal scrutiny based on the fallout from the Harvard case

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

You can live in this dream world if you like but even the findings by the UC report contradict this

https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/committees/sttf/sttf-report.pdf

Test optional is a disingenuous policy by elite schools to pursue racial diversity away from legal scrutiny based on the fallout from the Harvard case

+1 After Prop 209, UC looked for any way to admit in more URM.

But, a lot of the private elite univ use holistic admission as a way to admit in more legacies, who tend to be wealthy and white. Their "diversity" attempts are half hearted and for the sake of PR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

You can live in this dream world if you like but even the findings by the UC report contradict this

https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/committees/sttf/sttf-report.pdf

Test optional is a disingenuous policy by elite schools to pursue racial diversity away from legal scrutiny based on the fallout from the Harvard case

What fallout from the Harvard case? Have they seen a drop in applications? A drop in prestige? Don’t think so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

+1

Schools are bending over backward to expand representation of URMs but they will only lower standards so much. Don’t confuse that with equity which would by definition be race blind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

You can live in this dream world if you like but even the findings by the UC report contradict this

https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/committees/sttf/sttf-report.pdf

Test optional is a disingenuous policy by elite schools to pursue racial diversity away from legal scrutiny based on the fallout from the Harvard case

What fallout from the Harvard case? Have they seen a drop in applications? A drop in prestige? Don’t think so.

Fallout meaning Harvard will likely need to change its policies once the Supreme Ct rules on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

You can live in this dream world if you like but even the findings by the UC report contradict this

https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/committees/sttf/sttf-report.pdf

Test optional is a disingenuous policy by elite schools to pursue racial diversity away from legal scrutiny based on the fallout from the Harvard case

What fallout from the Harvard case? Have they seen a drop in applications? A drop in prestige? Don’t think so.

Fallout meaning Harvard will likely need to change its policies once the Supreme Ct rules on this.

Same PP. By which I mean they will need other means to achieve the same outcomes they want. Test optional makes it harder for plaintiffs to have data in the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

You can live in this dream world if you like but even the findings by the UC report contradict this

https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/committees/sttf/sttf-report.pdf

Test optional is a disingenuous policy by elite schools to pursue racial diversity away from legal scrutiny based on the fallout from the Harvard case

What fallout from the Harvard case? Have they seen a drop in applications? A drop in prestige? Don’t think so.

Fallout meaning Harvard will likely need to change its policies once the Supreme Ct rules on this.

Same PP. By which I mean they will need other means to achieve the same outcomes they want. Test optional makes it harder for plaintiffs to have data in the future.

quality of the school will gradually go down if they prefer to admit random kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

You can live in this dream world if you like but even the findings by the UC report contradict this

https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/committees/sttf/sttf-report.pdf

Test optional is a disingenuous policy by elite schools to pursue racial diversity away from legal scrutiny based on the fallout from the Harvard case

What fallout from the Harvard case? Have they seen a drop in applications? A drop in prestige? Don’t think so.

Fallout meaning Harvard will likely need to change its policies once the Supreme Ct rules on this.

They already changed their policies. Standardized test scores are now optional.

[Anonymous]

Many of you seem to suppose that the mission of MIT and other elite universities is to take the most elite HS students and make them more elite. I’m not sure that is, or should be the case. Kids coming from elite high schools with top grades can get their best education at dozens and dozens of American universities. For those kids, education is much more a function of input, than the system itself. The best use of SAT/ACT is to screen out. Probably 80-90% of kids with 4.0s can do the work at MIT. The test can screen out for the anomaly who is really not prepared. It should not be a race to get 1570 to qualify.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

You can live in this dream world if you like but even the findings by the UC report contradict this

https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/committees/sttf/sttf-report.pdf

Test optional is a disingenuous policy by elite schools to pursue racial diversity away from legal scrutiny based on the fallout from the Harvard case

What fallout from the Harvard case? Have they seen a drop in applications? A drop in prestige? Don’t think so.

Fallout meaning Harvard will likely need to change its policies once the Supreme Ct rules on this.

They already changed their policies. Standardized test scores are now optional.

They already changed behind the scene. They admitted more Asians since the lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Man, the typo and spelling mistake are dreadful. I really hope this wasn’t their final, published statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Their research is specific to MIT. They have no idea how TO is working out at other schools. The colleges aren’t striving for racial equity, that’s the big myth fed to Asians so they get upset at the few Black and Latinos at the school.

They did the same analysis for the entire UC system and found the exact same thing. Colleges are eliminating SAT/ACT requirements for “equity” reasons, not because tests aren’t effective in identifying kids who will do well in college.