ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 69 pages of red herring

Nothing said here is going to make the quality of individual player development better.

College coaches and recruiters are contacted by interested candidates or they find easily visible cream of the crop.
They know players graduation year and availability date for who they're interested in and want.

Your boot the ball ECNL player isn't getting on Rutgers squad ahead of the international transfer from Portugal with technical skills.
Regardless of ECNL cutoff month.
Nor ahead of the players from MLS Next

As someone already said, if your trapped player isn't shining today against his age group he ain't shining tomorrow by switching to SY.

100% full agreement that you need the be "the guy" on your team to have a D1/pro chance...most of those kids are the best player on every team they play on (while already playing up a lot of the time). The foreign talent is also a huge hurdle that we all know about.

But adults can still talk about the ramifications a potential big change in the league their child is playing in. I think you probably need to take a deep breath and enjoy your Friday my guy. This forum is something you have to click on to enter. My suggestion is maybe don't do that if it bothers you.

This is not an intellectual informed discussion.
Just a bunch of emotional conjecture with rumors and silly theories.

Does it bother you that my stated facts don't align with your dream narrative?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 69 pages of red herring

Nothing said here is going to make the quality of individual player development better.

College coaches and recruiters are contacted by interested candidates or they find easily visible cream of the crop.
They know players graduation year and availability date for who they're interested in and want.

Your boot the ball ECNL player isn't getting on Rutgers squad ahead of the international transfer from Portugal with technical skills.
Regardless of ECNL cutoff month.
Nor ahead of the players from MLS Next

As someone already said, if your trapped player isn't shining today against his age group he ain't shining tomorrow by switching to SY.

100% full agreement that you need the be "the guy" on your team to have a D1/pro chance...most of those kids are the best player on every team they play on (while already playing up a lot of the time). The foreign talent is also a huge hurdle that we all know about.

But adults can still talk about the ramifications a potential big change in the league their child is playing in. I think you probably need to take a deep breath and enjoy your Friday my guy. This forum is something you have to click on to enter. My suggestion is maybe don't do that if it bothers you.

This is not an intellectual informed discussion.
Just a bunch of emotional conjecture with rumors and silly theories.

Does it bother you that my stated facts don't align with your dream narrative?

Since I already told you I agree with your statements on the realities of the situation, I think I already answered your question. Talk about intellectual!

I think you really made an impact by piping up on here...job well done!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 69 pages of red herring

Nothing said here is going to make the quality of individual player development better.

College coaches and recruiters are contacted by interested candidates or they find easily visible cream of the crop.
They know players graduation year and availability date for who they're interested in and want.

Your boot the ball ECNL player isn't getting on Rutgers squad ahead of the international transfer from Portugal with technical skills.
Regardless of ECNL cutoff month.
Nor ahead of the players from MLS Next

As someone already said, if your trapped player isn't shining today against his age group he ain't shining tomorrow by switching to SY.

100% full agreement that you need the be "the guy" on your team to have a D1/pro chance...most of those kids are the best player on every team they play on (while already playing up a lot of the time). The foreign talent is also a huge hurdle that we all know about.

But adults can still talk about the ramifications a potential big change in the league their child is playing in. I think you probably need to take a deep breath and enjoy your Friday my guy. This forum is something you have to click on to enter. My suggestion is maybe don't do that if it bothers you.

This is not an intellectual informed discussion.
Just a bunch of emotional conjecture with rumors and silly theories.

Does it bother you that my stated facts don't align with your dream narrative?

Since I already told you I agree with your statements on the realities of the situation, I think I already answered your question. Talk about intellectual!

I think you really made an impact by piping up on here...job well done!

I think you really made an impact by piping up on here...job well done!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 69 pages of red herring

Nothing said here is going to make the quality of individual player development better.

College coaches and recruiters are contacted by interested candidates or they find easily visible cream of the crop.
They know players graduation year and availability date for who they're interested in and want.

Your boot the ball ECNL player isn't getting on Rutgers squad ahead of the international transfer from Portugal with technical skills.
Regardless of ECNL cutoff month.
Nor ahead of the players from MLS Next

As someone already said, if your trapped player isn't shining today against his age group he ain't shining tomorrow by switching to SY.

100% full agreement that you need the be "the guy" on your team to have a D1/pro chance...most of those kids are the best player on every team they play on (while already playing up a lot of the time). The foreign talent is also a huge hurdle that we all know about.

But adults can still talk about the ramifications a potential big change in the league their child is playing in. I think you probably need to take a deep breath and enjoy your Friday my guy. This forum is something you have to click on to enter. My suggestion is maybe don't do that if it bothers you.

This is not an intellectual informed discussion.
Just a bunch of emotional conjecture with rumors and silly theories.

Does it bother you that my stated facts don't align with your dream narrative?

To be fairs, last ECNL podcast did confirm most of the rumors.

It seems you are getting emotional over RAE (and your moving from the plus side to the minus side) and wanting random kids you don't know to pay for side sessions with coaches and not really with the cutoff move.

ECNL isn't trying to solve world peace with this move.

As an outlet, maybe start a thread on how to address RAE, because ECNL leadership recognize the problem and said that moving a cutoff doesn't address it. They mentioned coaches and programs should take into account later birth months when establishing teams but I don't think they offered any tangible solutions.

[Anonymous]

“Just go away to another thread”

[Anonymous]

The argument has never been that a Q4 kid is going to magically become an international star by switching to Q2 in a younger team.

The argument is that more kids will keep playing if they are on teams with kids in their grade.

AND

The trapped players will stop being screwed, several times over.

Switching to SY also does NOT allow red shirting, as its still based on YOB.

That's it, you can all stop being angry now.

Make the argument that its not worth the disruption sure, or that it misaligns with international soccer, but stop with the rest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The argument has never been that a Q4 kid is going to magically become an international star by switching to Q2 in a younger team.

The argument is that more kids will keep playing if they are on teams with kids in their grade.

AND

The trapped players will stop being screwed, several times over.

Switching to SY also does NOT allow red shirting, as its still based on YOB.

That's it, you can all stop being angry now.

Make the argument that its not worth the disruption sure, or that it misaligns with international soccer, but stop with the rest.

The argument about more kids playing with kids from their grade must be at the lower levels. No kid who is trying to get to the top level will care about this. I don't think my kids could even tell me what grade their teammates are in...why would they? There is school and then there is soccer...very different things. Is this something you guys are discussing about your travel soccer team? What grade the kids are in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The argument has never been that a Q4 kid is going to magically become an international star by switching to Q2 in a younger team.

The argument is that more kids will keep playing if they are on teams with kids in their grade.

AND

The trapped players will stop being screwed, several times over.

Switching to SY also does NOT allow red shirting, as its still based on YOB.

That's it, you can all stop being angry now.

Make the argument that its not worth the disruption sure, or that it misaligns with international soccer, but stop with the rest.

The argument about more kids playing with kids from their grade must be at the lower levels. No kid who is trying to get to the top level will care about this. I don't think my kids could even tell me what grade their teammates are in...why would they? There is school and then there is soccer...very different things. Is this something you guys are discussing about your travel soccer team? What grade the kids are in?

Facts are that your kids are now grown and don’t care- most at a high level don’t. But I can bet you when they were 5 they cared. . Many are still 5,6,7 and they STOP playing soccer because it’s not fun. That means fewer kids are choosing soccer (by 25%) at the early years in lieu of other sports they can play with friends. Those kids (who may have progressed in soccer due to athleticism) then become pretty good at other sports and stick with those. That is a big problem for youth soccer for the long term. You might not like the facts that participation has gone down significant since BY went into effect but they are still facts. Non competitive youth soccer matters because young kids grow up. See the forest for the trees….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The argument has never been that a Q4 kid is going to magically become an international star by switching to Q2 in a younger team.

The argument is that more kids will keep playing if they are on teams with kids in their grade.

AND

The trapped players will stop being screwed, several times over.

Switching to SY also does NOT allow red shirting, as its still based on YOB.

That's it, you can all stop being angry now.

Make the argument that its not worth the disruption sure, or that it misaligns with international soccer, but stop with the rest.

The argument about more kids playing with kids from their grade must be at the lower levels. No kid who is trying to get to the top level will care about this. I don't think my kids could even tell me what grade their teammates are in...why would they? There is school and then there is soccer...very different things. Is this something you guys are discussing about your travel soccer team? What grade the kids are in?

Really, "no kid" trying to get to the top cares? Some of them may not know any different, and seem happy with the current system, but I promise you some good players do care. Back in the day before all-star club teams were required to play in college, when teams were split by class year, most future D1 players I knew chose to stay on club teams with friends from school instead of moving to the best all-star team they could 30+ minutes away. Playing *for* their best friends in many cases seemed to make them play and practice harder. I think many are confusing the reality that ambitious players are currently *forced* to play without their school friends (to achieve high level goals) with the idea that they *prefer* it. And remember, in many cases we may be talking about just one potential new school friend being able to be a teammate at their club, which could make a big difference in his/her enjoyment. Some parents might be putting words in their kids' mouths when saying "my kid is so talented, hardcore, and focused on greatness that they don't care about spending extra time with school friends."

[Anonymous]

It makes sense for US soccer to follow what every other US sport does and go by grade level not birth year. That's how soccer was in the US for a long time until it changed 7 years ago. It will be worse for a small group but better for a larger group. It will be fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The argument has never been that a Q4 kid is going to magically become an international star by switching to Q2 in a younger team.

The argument is that more kids will keep playing if they are on teams with kids in their grade.

AND

The trapped players will stop being screwed, several times over.

Switching to SY also does NOT allow red shirting, as its still based on YOB.

That's it, you can all stop being angry now.

Make the argument that its not worth the disruption sure, or that it misaligns with international soccer, but stop with the rest.

The argument about more kids playing with kids from their grade must be at the lower levels. No kid who is trying to get to the top level will care about this. I don't think my kids could even tell me what grade their teammates are in...why would they? There is school and then there is soccer...very different things. Is this something you guys are discussing about your travel soccer team? What grade the kids are in?

Really, "no kid" trying to get to the top cares? Some of them may not know any different, and seem happy with the current system, but I promise you some good players do care. Back in the day before all-star club teams were required to play in college, when teams were split by class year, most future D1 players I knew chose to stay on club teams with friends from school instead of moving to the best all-star team they could 30+ minutes away. Playing *for* their best friends in many cases seemed to make them play and practice harder. I think many are confusing the reality that ambitious players are currently *forced* to play without their school friends (to achieve high level goals) with the idea that they *prefer* it. And remember, in many cases we may be talking about just one potential new school friend being able to be a teammate at their club, which could make a big difference in his/her enjoyment. Some parents might be putting words in their kids' mouths when saying "my kid is so talented, hardcore, and focused on greatness that they don't care about spending extra time with school friends."

My kids teams are made up of a bunch of different schools, home school kids, and virtual students. They def don't do travel soccer to hang out with their school friends. Saying "no kid" is obviously an extreme statement and literally probably not factual. The back in my day example isn't worth anything today...today you follow the opportunities to get recruited because that is the system they are in. If you can get recruited while staying on your local team with somehow kids from your school...take a bow. You win the game. Not likely for most kids and the kids who want to get to the top knows the sacrifices that need to be made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is 69 pages of red herring

Nothing said here is going to make the quality of individual player development better.

College coaches and recruiters are contacted by interested candidates or they find easily visible cream of the crop.
They know players graduation year and availability date for who they're interested in and want.

Your boot the ball ECNL player isn't getting on Rutgers squad ahead of the international transfer from Portugal with technical skills.
Regardless of ECNL cutoff month.
Nor ahead of the players from MLS Next

As someone already said, if your trapped player isn't shining today against his age group he ain't shining tomorrow by switching to SY.

100% full agreement that you need the be "the guy" on your team to have a D1/pro chance...most of those kids are the best player on every team they play on (while already playing up a lot of the time). The foreign talent is also a huge hurdle that we all know about.

But adults can still talk about the ramifications a potential big change in the league their child is playing in. I think you probably need to take a deep breath and enjoy your Friday my guy. This forum is something you have to click on to enter. My suggestion is maybe don't do that if it bothers you.

This is not an intellectual informed discussion.
Just a bunch of emotional conjecture with rumors and silly theories.

Does it bother you that my stated facts don't align with your dream narrative?

To be fairs, last ECNL podcast did confirm most of the rumors.

It seems you are getting emotional over RAE (and your moving from the plus side to the minus side) and wanting random kids you don't know to pay for side sessions with coaches and not really with the cutoff move.

ECNL isn't trying to solve world peace with this move.

As an outlet, maybe start a thread on how to address RAE, because ECNL leadership recognize the problem and said that moving a cutoff doesn't address it. They mentioned coaches and programs should take into account later birth months when establishing teams but I don't think they offered any tangible solutions.

Here comes the podcast marketing pitch again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The argument has never been that a Q4 kid is going to magically become an international star by switching to Q2 in a younger team.

The argument is that more kids will keep playing if they are on teams with kids in their grade.

AND

The trapped players will stop being screwed, several times over.

Switching to SY also does NOT allow red shirting, as its still based on YOB.

That's it, you can all stop being angry now.

Make the argument that its not worth the disruption sure, or that it misaligns with international soccer, but stop with the rest.

The argument about more kids playing with kids from their grade must be at the lower levels. No kid who is trying to get to the top level will care about this. I don't think my kids could even tell me what grade their teammates are in...why would they? There is school and then there is soccer...very different things. Is this something you guys are discussing about your travel soccer team? What grade the kids are in?

Really, "no kid" trying to get to the top cares? Some of them may not know any different, and seem happy with the current system, but I promise you some good players do care. Back in the day before all-star club teams were required to play in college, when teams were split by class year, most future D1 players I knew chose to stay on club teams with friends from school instead of moving to the best all-star team they could 30+ minutes away. Playing *for* their best friends in many cases seemed to make them play and practice harder. I think many are confusing the reality that ambitious players are currently *forced* to play without their school friends (to achieve high level goals) with the idea that they *prefer* it. And remember, in many cases we may be talking about just one potential new school friend being able to be a teammate at their club, which could make a big difference in his/her enjoyment. Some parents might be putting words in their kids' mouths when saying "my kid is so talented, hardcore, and focused on greatness that they don't care about spending extra time with school friends."

Yes
No top tier kid or kid aspiring for top tier cares about sharing crayons on Monday morning with teammates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The argument has never been that a Q4 kid is going to magically become an international star by switching to Q2 in a younger team.

The argument is that more kids will keep playing if they are on teams with kids in their grade.

AND

The trapped players will stop being screwed, several times over.

Switching to SY also does NOT allow red shirting, as its still based on YOB.

That's it, you can all stop being angry now.

Make the argument that its not worth the disruption sure, or that it misaligns with international soccer, but stop with the rest.

The argument about more kids playing with kids from their grade must be at the lower levels. No kid who is trying to get to the top level will care about this. I don't think my kids could even tell me what grade their teammates are in...why would they? There is school and then there is soccer...very different things. Is this something you guys are discussing about your travel soccer team? What grade the kids are in?

Really, "no kid" trying to get to the top cares? Some of them may not know any different, and seem happy with the current system, but I promise you some good players do care. Back in the day before all-star club teams were required to play in college, when teams were split by class year, most future D1 players I knew chose to stay on club teams with friends from school instead of moving to the best all-star team they could 30+ minutes away. Playing *for* their best friends in many cases seemed to make them play and practice harder. I think many are confusing the reality that ambitious players are currently *forced* to play without their school friends (to achieve high level goals) with the idea that they *prefer* it. And remember, in many cases we may be talking about just one potential new school friend being able to be a teammate at their club, which could make a big difference in his/her enjoyment. Some parents might be putting words in their kids' mouths when saying "my kid is so talented, hardcore, and focused on greatness that they don't care about spending extra time with school friends."

Yes
No top tier kid or kid aspiring for top tier cares about sharing crayons on Monday morning with teammates

Contrary to popular belief, the team age cutoff change will not force top tier, middle tier and lower tier players to play soccer with friends. Relax, if your kid doesn't want to play with friends, this change doesn't have to affect them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The argument has never been that a Q4 kid is going to magically become an international star by switching to Q2 in a younger team.

The argument is that more kids will keep playing if they are on teams with kids in their grade.

AND

The trapped players will stop being screwed, several times over.

Switching to SY also does NOT allow red shirting, as its still based on YOB.

That's it, you can all stop being angry now.

Make the argument that its not worth the disruption sure, or that it misaligns with international soccer, but stop with the rest.

The argument about more kids playing with kids from their grade must be at the lower levels. No kid who is trying to get to the top level will care about this. I don't think my kids could even tell me what grade their teammates are in...why would they? There is school and then there is soccer...very different things. Is this something you guys are discussing about your travel soccer team? What grade the kids are in?

Really, "no kid" trying to get to the top cares? Some of them may not know any different, and seem happy with the current system, but I promise you some good players do care. Back in the day before all-star club teams were required to play in college, when teams were split by class year, most future D1 players I knew chose to stay on club teams with friends from school instead of moving to the best all-star team they could 30+ minutes away. Playing *for* their best friends in many cases seemed to make them play and practice harder. I think many are confusing the reality that ambitious players are currently *forced* to play without their school friends (to achieve high level goals) with the idea that they *prefer* it. And remember, in many cases we may be talking about just one potential new school friend being able to be a teammate at their club, which could make a big difference in his/her enjoyment. Some parents might be putting words in their kids' mouths when saying "my kid is so talented, hardcore, and focused on greatness that they don't care about spending extra time with school friends."

Yes
No top tier kid or kid aspiring for top tier cares about sharing crayons on Monday morning with teammates

I wonder if any good players at MLS Next or in GDA days sought waivers/exemptions to play in high school with friends… 🤔