3rd Grade AAP Chances?

[Anonymous]

Anyone know what the acceptance criteria looks like for this year's 3rd grade class, where last year's second grade pool was determined by NNAT scores since CogATs weren't offered? My third grader only scored a 110 on her NNAT, and we didn't bother applying her last year. She is in advanced math currently, and doing great. This year, we decided to go ahead and applied her to Level IV this year. Her COGat scores came back at a 137, and I imagine her GBRS will also come back high. With that being said, how much weight do those NNAT scores carry, particularly for this year's third grade class, where there's already a whole class accepted primarily based on those scores?

[Anonymous]

The NNAT will probably not mean much. The CogAT is very good and she is in Advanced Math. the Advanced Math shows that the Teachers see that she needs to move more quickly in that subject. She has not been identified for Level III pull outs though which might mean that her Teachers don't think she needs the LA type extensions that are more common in Level III.

I would guess that she has a good chance of being accepted.

[Anonymous]

It depends on the GBRS. The other scores don’t matter as much as the GBRS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It depends on the GBRS. The other scores don’t matter as much as the GBRS.

+1

Both of our kids are in AAP and GBRS played a major role.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NNAT will probably not mean much. The CogAT is very good and she is in Advanced Math. the Advanced Math shows that the Teachers see that she needs to move more quickly in that subject. She has not been identified for Level III pull outs though which might mean that her Teachers don't think she needs the LA type extensions that are more common in Level III.

I would guess that she has a good chance of being accepted.

Sorry, forgot to mention she is currently being monitored in Level III and is in Level II LA as well this year. I'm not sure if it means anything, but her Verbal scores were 2 points higher than her Quant scores on the CogAt. Verbal was 139 verbal, and Quant was 137. The non-verbal was the lowest at 128, which makes sense in aligning with the NNAT being lower a few years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The NNAT will probably not mean much. The CogAT is very good and she is in Advanced Math. the Advanced Math shows that the Teachers see that she needs to move more quickly in that subject. She has not been identified for Level III pull outs though which might mean that her Teachers don't think she needs the LA type extensions that are more common in Level III.

I would guess that she has a good chance of being accepted.

Sorry, forgot to mention she is currently being monitored in Level III and is in Level II LA as well this year. I'm not sure if it means anything, but her Verbal scores were 2 points higher than her Quant scores on the CogAt. Verbal was 139 verbal, and Quant was 137. The non-verbal was the lowest at 128, which makes sense in aligning with the NNAT being lower a few years ago.

She probably has a good chance of being accepted. I know my sons 4th grade class as seen a decline in the kids in LIII and Advanced Math because of last years distance learning. I would imagine that kids who are doing well in Advanced Math and are in LIII are going to be seen as good candidates for AAP not only because of their ability but because Teachers are aware that the Gen Ed class is likely to be playing catch up for a while.

[Anonymous]

My 3rd grader is in LIII and advanced math. Didn’t get a CoGat last year and applied and had a perfect GBRS but was rejected. This year finally got a CoGAT but it’s nowhere near the in pool scores. We applied anyway. What are our chances?

[Anonymous]

My kid had similar stats several years ago:

- 110 nnat (teacher said kid didn’t realize when two pages of the book stuck together and kid missed only those on those pages - but I think it was maybe 8 questions total missed as not attempted)

- 140 cogat

- also did fsiq which was really high

- 16 grbs under the old thesis score

Accepted

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 3rd grader is in LIII and advanced math. Didn’t get a CoGat last year and applied and had a perfect GBRS but was rejected. This year finally got a CoGAT but it’s nowhere near the in pool scores. We applied anyway. What are our chances?

I am really confused as to what they used last year to put student's into Level IV. and wondering if 3rd graders CogAT scores this year will have the same weight. Wouldn't there be considerable more students now due to the CogAT being administered this year instead of last?? I guess I am wondering if they will accept less kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 3rd grader is in LIII and advanced math. Didn’t get a CoGat last year and applied and had a perfect GBRS but was rejected. This year finally got a CoGAT but it’s nowhere near the in pool scores. We applied anyway. What are our chances?

I am really confused as to what they used last year to put student's into Level IV. and wondering if 3rd graders CogAT scores this year will have the same weight. Wouldn't there be considerable more students now due to the CogAT being administered this year instead of last?? I guess I am wondering if they will accept less kids.

The NNAT determined In-Pool last year--I can't remember what the cut-off number was, but that essentially took the place of CogAT in terms of weight along with all of the other factors. I'm wondering the same thing because there's already a full class, so how many more students could be feasibly be added? And I know that you can't pull kids out of AAP if they are already in it, but I imagine that there are a handful of students in there already that have substantially lower CogAT scores that wouldn't have even been considered for Level IV in a normal year. I also question how accurate the GBRS really was in virtual times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 3rd grader is in LIII and advanced math. Didn’t get a CoGat last year and applied and had a perfect GBRS but was rejected. This year finally got a CoGAT but it’s nowhere near the in pool scores. We applied anyway. What are our chances?

I am really confused as to what they used last year to put student's into Level IV. and wondering if 3rd graders CogAT scores this year will have the same weight. Wouldn't there be considerable more students now due to the CogAT being administered this year instead of last?? I guess I am wondering if they will accept less kids.

The NNAT determined In-Pool last year--I can't remember what the cut-off number was, but that essentially took the place of CogAT in terms of weight along with all of the other factors. I'm wondering the same thing because there's already a full class, so how many more students could be feasibly be added? And I know that you can't pull kids out of AAP if they are already in it, but I imagine that there are a handful of students in there already that have substantially lower CogAT scores that wouldn't have even been considered for Level IV in a normal year. I also question how accurate the GBRS really was in virtual times.

They can definitely add kids. They would split into more classes if need be. No way were gbrs accurate last year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 3rd grader is in LIII and advanced math. Didn’t get a CoGat last year and applied and had a perfect GBRS but was rejected. This year finally got a CoGAT but it’s nowhere near the in pool scores. We applied anyway. What are our chances?

I am really confused as to what they used last year to put student's into Level IV. and wondering if 3rd graders CogAT scores this year will have the same weight. Wouldn't there be considerable more students now due to the CogAT being administered this year instead of last?? I guess I am wondering if they will accept less kids.

The NNAT determined In-Pool last year--I can't remember what the cut-off number was, but that essentially took the place of CogAT in terms of weight along with all of the other factors. I'm wondering the same thing because there's already a full class, so how many more students could be feasibly be added? And I know that you can't pull kids out of AAP if they are already in it, but I imagine that there are a handful of students in there already that have substantially lower CogAT scores that wouldn't have even been considered for Level IV in a normal year. I also question how accurate the GBRS really was in virtual times.

They can definitely add kids. They would split into more classes if need be. No way were gbrs accurate last year.

I don't believe the GBRS scores were accurate for last year. Even though they could add classes, I don't think that would be ideal for them. There was no pool this year for 3rd graders, so it is all parent referral. I think it is definitely going to be harder for 3rd graders to get in based on the current AAP classes being already filled.

[Anonymous]

Last year was a complete crapshoot.

This year, there are two things likely to help 3rd graders get accepted. One is to have very strong 3rd grade CogAT scores. The other is to be principal placed into the LLIV classroom and be doing well with the advanced material there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Last year was a complete crapshoot.

This year, there are two things likely to help 3rd graders get accepted. One is to have very strong 3rd grade CogAT scores. The other is to be principal placed into the LLIV classroom and be doing well with the advanced material there.

I agree, unless there is no LLIV classroom at your school...I am assuming it would be based on GBRS and CogAT scores, I just cant believe that they have the resources to open up additional classes.