It feels like the Pope's is opportunistic to excuse sexual crimes by downplaying sins of the flesh

[Anonymous]

Why did he have to say that sins were categorical in terms of type rather than severity? Obviously the massage wasn't a crime as no one got hurt but it seems myopic to say this in the light of the church's sexual crimes. It looks like he's trying to downplay the media's hype over the crimes instead of just owning them.

[Anonymous]

Link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Link?

https://www.abc4.com/news/religion/catholic-churchs-pope-francis-calls-sins-of-the-flesh-not-the-most-serious/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pope-francis-says-sex-outside-marriage-not-the-most-serious-sin

[Anonymous]

I don’t look for bad intentions in everything and I don’t see it here. He simply believes pride and hatred are bigger issues. I’m inclined to agree with him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t look for bad intentions in everything and I don’t see it here. He simply believes pride and hatred are bigger issues. I’m inclined to agree with him.

I think a priest raping a child is a bigger deal than pride, but that's just me

[Anonymous]

He is not talking about sexual crimes he is talking about a consensual affair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t look for bad intentions in everything and I don’t see it here. He simply believes pride and hatred are bigger issues. I’m inclined to agree with him.

I think a priest raping a child is a bigger deal than pride, but that's just me

He’s not talking about rape he’s talking about a priest having a sexual relationship with an adult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t look for bad intentions in everything and I don’t see it here. He simply believes pride and hatred are bigger issues. I’m inclined to agree with him.

I think a priest raping a child is a bigger deal than pride, but that's just me

Pride I don't think is a bigger issue for sure. Hatred maybe. Depends on if you hate killing or hate loving. And what is the sexual sin? Raping a hundred women or children or touching a behind?

Regardless, it's the severity of the crime against humanity and god, not the category that determines the severity. I don't know what doctrine he is going by to say this and it just seems like he's trying to downplay the sexual abuse in the church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t look for bad intentions in everything and I don’t see it here. He simply believes pride and hatred are bigger issues. I’m inclined to agree with him.

I think a priest raping a child is a bigger deal than pride, but that's just me

He’s not talking about rape he’s talking about a priest having a sexual relationship with an adult.

No he enlarged it to say all sexual sins. That would include rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t look for bad intentions in everything and I don’t see it here. He simply believes pride and hatred are bigger issues. I’m inclined to agree with him.

I think a priest raping a child is a bigger deal than pride, but that's just me

He’s not talking about rape he’s talking about a priest having a sexual relationship with an adult.

If he wanted to talk about one person he should have just talked about him. Instead he opened it up to generalizations.

Not all sexual relationships with adults that are consensual have zero implications anyway to others or even to themselves. Ever hear of Aids?

[Anonymous]

This is about a foot massage right? His statement will be taken in a broad way and he should not have made it like that if he is thinking *consenual foot massage* and not sex or much much worse unwanted touches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t look for bad intentions in everything and I don’t see it here. He simply believes pride and hatred are bigger issues. I’m inclined to agree with him.

I think a priest raping a child is a bigger deal than pride, but that's just me

Pride I don't think is a bigger issue for sure. Hatred maybe. Depends on if you hate killing or hate loving. And what is the sexual sin? Raping a hundred women or children or touching a behind?

Regardless, it's the severity of the crime against humanity and god, not the category that determines the severity. I don't know what doctrine he is going by to say this and it just seems like he's trying to downplay the sexual abuse in the church.

I read the article again. I still don’t see it. I don’t see this as a calculated effort to downplay the scandals in the Catholic Church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is about a foot massage right? His statement will be taken in a broad way and he should not have made it like that if he is thinking *consenual foot massage* and not sex or much much worse unwanted touches.

It's taken in a broad way because he made the statement in a broad way. He chose to amplify it to other sexual activities to say they are all less grave.

[Anonymous]

He needs to clarify asap because right now people who support/follow him will do a quick 180°

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t look for bad intentions in everything and I don’t see it here. He simply believes pride and hatred are bigger issues. I’m inclined to agree with him.

I think a priest raping a child is a bigger deal than pride, but that's just me

Pride I don't think is a bigger issue for sure. Hatred maybe. Depends on if you hate killing or hate loving. And what is the sexual sin? Raping a hundred women or children or touching a behind?

Regardless, it's the severity of the crime against humanity and god, not the category that determines the severity. I don't know what doctrine he is going by to say this and it just seems like he's trying to downplay the sexual abuse in the church.

I read the article again. I still don’t see it. I don’t see this as a calculated effort to downplay the scandals in the Catholic Church.

Francis also stated he considered sins of the flesh, such as adultery, to be transgressions but that other sins, such as hatred and pride, were far more serious.