Another homicide last night in MoCo

[Anonymous]

Violent crime, in particular, is out of control. This article was a couple of days ago, and there has since been another murder in Silver Spring.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021/12/montgomery-co-sees-rise-in-violent-crime-confronted-by-fewer-police-officers/

[Anonymous]

Scary that it appears to have happened in broad daylight

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail_Pol.aspx?Item_ID=39640

But the Facebook posts in response to this are pretty crass. I get folks blame police reform for this and don't disagree that we definitely need police, but:
1. Increases in violent crime are happening across the country, not just places engaged in police reform
2. Try to act a little less gleeful in response to someone dying. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

I don't think we've even had police reform yet in MoCo. Am I missing something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think we've even had police reform yet in MoCo. Am I missing something?

The CE and Council cut 25 officer positions.
The CE created the Task Force to Reimagine Public Safety. (THAT one said to get rid of half the patrol officers in Silver Spring and Wheaton).
The CE hired an audit team to review the Police Department.
The Council created a Policing Advisory Commission.
Jawando intro'd a bill to have an outside entity review officer involved shootings, even though the prior chief already had that in place.
Jawando intro'd a use of force bill that changes how police are internally disciplined.
Hucker intro'd a bill to mandate review of body cameras.
Jawando and Riemer intro'd a bill to remove SROs from schools.
Rice and Katz intro'd a bill to allow schools to choose whether they wanted SROs.
Jawando intro'd a bill requiring police applicants to have 30 hours of racial equity training before being admitted to the academy.

And that doesn't even touch all the state reform that just got passed this year.

[Anonymous]

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/rps/

The reimagining public safety website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think we've even had police reform yet in MoCo. Am I missing something?

The CE and Council cut 25 officer positions.
The CE created the Task Force to Reimagine Public Safety. (THAT one said to get rid of half the patrol officers in Silver Spring and Wheaton).
The CE hired an audit team to review the Police Department.
The Council created a Policing Advisory Commission.
Jawando intro'd a bill to have an outside entity review officer involved shootings, even though the prior chief already had that in place.
Jawando intro'd a use of force bill that changes how police are internally disciplined.
Hucker intro'd a bill to mandate review of body cameras.
Jawando and Riemer intro'd a bill to remove SROs from schools.
Rice and Katz intro'd a bill to allow schools to choose whether they wanted SROs.
Jawando intro'd a bill requiring police applicants to have 30 hours of racial equity training before being admitted to the academy.

And that doesn't even touch all the state reform that just got passed this year.

So let's see: 27 officer positions cut (most of which were vacant), some proposed bills that haven't been passed, and another advisory commission (Montgomery County's favorite action). Oh, and an audit team. That's why there's an increase in homicides in Montgomery County...

I hope that regular police officers in Montgomery County aren't as snowflake-y about their jobs to protect and serve as some of the anonymous posters on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

^^^MCPD has 1,803 full-time positions and 205 part-time positions. Add to that the municipal police forces (Rockville, Gaithersburg, Takoma Park, etc.), the M-NCPPC park police, the US park police, the WSSC police, etc.

Whatever the issues in Montgomery County, they don't include a shortage of funded police-officer positions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^MCPD has 1,803 full-time positions and 205 part-time positions. Add to that the municipal police forces (Rockville, Gaithersburg, Takoma Park, etc.), the M-NCPPC park police, the US park police, the WSSC police, etc.

Whatever the issues in Montgomery County, they don't include a shortage of funded police-officer positions.

They number of applications are way down, the class size of the most recent class was the smallest in 20 years and they can't keep up with the retirements. You can have all the positions you want but if they are vacant positions they are worthless.

https://wjla.com/news/local/montgomery-county-police-graduate-14-new-officers-in-2021-lowest-number-in-20-plus-years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^MCPD has 1,803 full-time positions and 205 part-time positions. Add to that the municipal police forces (Rockville, Gaithersburg, Takoma Park, etc.), the M-NCPPC park police, the US park police, the WSSC police, etc.

Whatever the issues in Montgomery County, they don't include a shortage of funded police-officer positions.

They number of applications are way down, the class size of the most recent class was the smallest in 20 years and they can't keep up with the retirements. You can have all the positions you want but if they are vacant positions they are worthless.

https://wjla.com/news/local/montgomery-county-police-graduate-14-new-officers-in-2021-lowest-number-in-20-plus-years

I came in to comment on the headline. Things are only going to get worse. I think it was 14 new officers this year? It’s not looking good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^MCPD has 1,803 full-time positions and 205 part-time positions. Add to that the municipal police forces (Rockville, Gaithersburg, Takoma Park, etc.), the M-NCPPC park police, the US park police, the WSSC police, etc.

Whatever the issues in Montgomery County, they don't include a shortage of funded police-officer positions.

They number of applications are way down, the class size of the most recent class was the smallest in 20 years and they can't keep up with the retirements. You can have all the positions you want but if they are vacant positions they are worthless.

https://wjla.com/news/local/montgomery-county-police-graduate-14-new-officers-in-2021-lowest-number-in-20-plus-years

If the positions are vacant anyway, then cutting them does not make any difference in the number of actual police officers in the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^MCPD has 1,803 full-time positions and 205 part-time positions. Add to that the municipal police forces (Rockville, Gaithersburg, Takoma Park, etc.), the M-NCPPC park police, the US park police, the WSSC police, etc.

Whatever the issues in Montgomery County, they don't include a shortage of funded police-officer positions.

They number of applications are way down, the class size of the most recent class was the smallest in 20 years and they can't keep up with the retirements. You can have all the positions you want but if they are vacant positions they are worthless.

https://wjla.com/news/local/montgomery-county-police-graduate-14-new-officers-in-2021-lowest-number-in-20-plus-years

I came in to comment on the headline. Things are only going to get worse. I think it was 14 new officers this year? It’s not looking good.

Until police clean up their act and stop protecting the criminals within their ranks, yes they will continue to face low morale, high turnover and difficulties with recruitment.

Oh you're talking about violent crime? That's happening all over the country, not just in MoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^MCPD has 1,803 full-time positions and 205 part-time positions. Add to that the municipal police forces (Rockville, Gaithersburg, Takoma Park, etc.), the M-NCPPC park police, the US park police, the WSSC police, etc.

Whatever the issues in Montgomery County, they don't include a shortage of funded police-officer positions.

They number of applications are way down, the class size of the most recent class was the smallest in 20 years and they can't keep up with the retirements. You can have all the positions you want but if they are vacant positions they are worthless.

https://wjla.com/news/local/montgomery-county-police-graduate-14-new-officers-in-2021-lowest-number-in-20-plus-years

If the positions are vacant anyway, then cutting them does not make any difference in the number of actual police officers in the county.

But you can be certain those positions will never be filled now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^MCPD has 1,803 full-time positions and 205 part-time positions. Add to that the municipal police forces (Rockville, Gaithersburg, Takoma Park, etc.), the M-NCPPC park police, the US park police, the WSSC police, etc.

Whatever the issues in Montgomery County, they don't include a shortage of funded police-officer positions.

They number of applications are way down, the class size of the most recent class was the smallest in 20 years and they can't keep up with the retirements. You can have all the positions you want but if they are vacant positions they are worthless.

https://wjla.com/news/local/montgomery-county-police-graduate-14-new-officers-in-2021-lowest-number-in-20-plus-years

If the positions are vacant anyway, then cutting them does not make any difference in the number of actual police officers in the county.

But you can be certain those positions will never be filled now.

Why should they be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^MCPD has 1,803 full-time positions and 205 part-time positions. Add to that the municipal police forces (Rockville, Gaithersburg, Takoma Park, etc.), the M-NCPPC park police, the US park police, the WSSC police, etc.

Whatever the issues in Montgomery County, they don't include a shortage of funded police-officer positions.

They number of applications are way down, the class size of the most recent class was the smallest in 20 years and they can't keep up with the retirements. You can have all the positions you want but if they are vacant positions they are worthless.

https://wjla.com/news/local/montgomery-county-police-graduate-14-new-officers-in-2021-lowest-number-in-20-plus-years

If the positions are vacant anyway, then cutting them does not make any difference in the number of actual police officers in the county.

This is dumb. If people retire and you don't replace them, yes there are fewer offices on the streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^MCPD has 1,803 full-time positions and 205 part-time positions. Add to that the municipal police forces (Rockville, Gaithersburg, Takoma Park, etc.), the M-NCPPC park police, the US park police, the WSSC police, etc.

Whatever the issues in Montgomery County, they don't include a shortage of funded police-officer positions.

They number of applications are way down, the class size of the most recent class was the smallest in 20 years and they can't keep up with the retirements. You can have all the positions you want but if they are vacant positions they are worthless.

https://wjla.com/news/local/montgomery-county-police-graduate-14-new-officers-in-2021-lowest-number-in-20-plus-years

If the positions are vacant anyway, then cutting them does not make any difference in the number of actual police officers in the county.

This is dumb. If people retire and you don't replace them, yes there are fewer offices on the streets.

The point is that there are not any fewer officers on the streets (i.e., in their cars). Therefore the reduction in police officer positions did not cause the increase in homicides. Which makes sense, because it's happening everywhere in the US, not just in Montgomery County.