Shutdown Rhetoric

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That's what elections are for and if you win in 2018 you can try to get legislation you want. You couldn't even when Obama was president. In the.meantime you shut down the.government because you don't have the votes for the reforms you want yet think that's going to help you win in 2018. It won't. Adopting centrist positions on immigration issues might help you win but then you would have to burn your Che Guevara T shirt.

Legislation comes from the Congress. If the Congress refuses to bring bills sponsored by the executive to the floor for a vote, then you force the executive to do what they can be legal means via Executive Order. That is why Obama signed the DACA EO. If Speaker Ryan had been willing to work with Obama at any step of the way on these issues, we wouldn't have had 6 years of presidency by EO, now would we?

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Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

YES

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Anonymous wrote:The inability to “compromise” and understand the “other side” even on DCUM is pretty reflective of what is going on in Congress right now, and makes me think this shut down could be a doozy.

Yes. I hope this vote tonight passes and I can go to a regular work day tomorrow, but I'm not optimistic. I think I might be home for a loooooong time.

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Anonymous wrote:The actions in the House yesterday by the Left was sad. Twice they requested that the words of Congressman get pulled back only to later rescind the request. They are sore losers who use parliamentary procedures to disrupt instead of running on ideas. The Democratic party will be a non factor for years or perhaps decades to come.

Da, Ivan. Now go back to your borscht.

Who is Ivan and what is borscht? Try as you may lefties with your Russian rhetoric, it's as fake as the collusion... err obstruction... err fill in the blank motive to impeach Trump.

Ask Hannity to come up with some better talking points for you next time.

Oh sweetie, if you want to stick with your Russian shtick, it's not Hannity, it's Dmitry Ivanovich. No wonder the Dems can't get anything done. They're as muddle brained as you

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Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

YES

There won’t be any real political repercussions. November is a long way away and Trump is an atrocity or offensive remark a day.

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Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

No one claims republicans are entitled to 60 votes. You don't understand what negotiation means. Trump has no reason to make any concessions to Schumer as Schumer has no actual ability to pass anything. Schumer is on his own with this.

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Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

No one claims republicans are entitled to 60 votes. You don't understand what negotiation means. Trump has no reason to make any concessions to Schumer as Schumer has no actual ability to pass anything. Schumer is on his own with this.

Schumer has no actual ability to pass anything, but he certainly has the ability to keep the government from re-opening. McConnell also has that ability, and both are using it.

Trump doesn't seem to care much, one way or the other. Eh. He just ran on a lark anyway.

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That's what elections are for and if you win in 2018 you can try to get legislation you want. You couldn't even when Obama was president. In the.meantime you shut down the.government because you don't have the votes for the reforms you want yet think that's going to help you win in 2018. It won't. Adopting centrist positions on immigration issues might help you win but then you would have to burn your Che Guevara T shirt.

Legislation comes from the Congress. If the Congress refuses to bring bills sponsored by the executive to the floor for a vote, then you force the executive to do what they can be legal means via Executive Order.

Failing to bring bills to the floor for a vote is a legitimate Congressional function. If Trump was signing EOs to create programs for people to make applications to the government to do the exact opposite of what the laws prescribe because Congress didn't pass the laws he wanted, D's would call Trump a dicator.

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GOP through the years:
2009: "Let's make Obama a one term president!"
2010: "Fuck Dems!"
2011: "Fuck Dems!"
2012: "Fuck Dems!"
2013: "Fuck Dems!"
2014: "Fuck Dems!"
2015: "Fuck Dems!"
2016: "Fuck Dems! MAGA!"
2017: "Fuck Dems! More MAGA!"
2018: "Why won't Dems VOTE WITH US?!?!"

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Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

No one claims republicans are entitled to 60 votes. You don't understand what negotiation means. Trump has no reason to make any concessions to Schumer as Schumer has no actual ability to pass anything. Schumer is on his own with this.

You seem to be the one who doesn’t understand what negotiation means. Everyone in Congress except McConnell has been working to negotiate this mess. Trump either doesn’t know what he wants or he thinks doing 180s left and right is a successful negotiating tactic. Between the two of them and nearly the two of them only, they have only succeeded in shutting the government down.

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^dictator

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Anonymous wrote:The inability to “compromise” and understand the “other side” even on DCUM is pretty reflective of what is going on in Congress right now, and makes me think this shut down could be a doozy.

Yes. I hope this vote tonight passes and I can go to a regular work day tomorrow, but I'm not optimistic. I think I might be home for a loooooong time.

Go to Off Topic and ask for budgeting suggestions

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Anonymous wrote:The notion Republicans are entitled to Democrat votes to break 60 without negotiating with them is bizarre. If you say take it or leave it, you have to be prepared for leave it.

This is all on the GOP and the public knows it.

No one claims republicans are entitled to 60 votes. You don't understand what negotiation means. Trump has no reason to make any concessions to Schumer as Schumer has no actual ability to pass anything. Schumer is on his own with this.

Your statement undermines your argument. Try again.

Or let me help. Legislation requires 60 votes. The GOP has 51. As a result, the GOP needs to figure out how to get to 60. And as it is, 5 GOP defected, so really, the GOP needs to figure out how to get 15 more votes than what it had on Friday. Getting those votes means offering something as a compromise to democrat Senators to induce them to vote for your bill. They are not entitled to those 15 votes, they have to do a little work to earn them. That work is called negotiation. Negotiation means making concessions. Understand?

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Anonymous wrote:PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

They had something and Trump did a 180 and so McConnell scrapped it. So I guess those that voted for Trump feel that these are successful negotiation tactics?

The gang of six never had majority support much less 60 votes in the Senate. They tried to get Trumps endorsement for their plan BEFORE they had a workable coalition and Trump wasn't having it. They played themselves. Trump has made it very clear he will sign any bill Congress brings to him. It's not Trumps job to corral 60 votes. It's not McConnells either because why should McConnell try to pass Schumers bill? I.e. a cr which includes DACA. It's Schumers task to get 60 votes for the proposal Schumer wants, and they simply don't exist.

Trump has made nothing “clear.” He has literally changed his position on these issues in hours or days. McConnell is strapped because he doesn’t know what the president will sign. There are MULTIPLE routes to compromise here, and McConnell will not move forward. Even a no strings push to get 5 days and then get to bipartisan agreement was rejected by McC. Even a no strings bill to get military service members paid regardless, was rejected.

Trump will certainly sign a CR that doesn't include DACA. DACA can be left for another day. Schumer doesn't want to do that simply because on the merits of immigration reform as a stand alone issue, the left lacks support for what it wants to do. Thus Schumers play is to leverage a shut down to get an immigration reform bill that he would never be able to get on it's own merits. However this is not a matter of principle for schumer thus he has no sustainable negotiating position on the shut down. That's why he will cave but try to spin his caving as a win.

We will see who gets the last laugh on November 6. And I dare say Che knew more about governing and leadership than the shithole currently occupying the WH. Che didn’t need to payoff porn actresses.

That is the problem. The GOP has punted both DACA and CHIP down the road to use as political chits. They have no intention of dealing with the issue because they don't care about poor children or the Dreamers. They like to claim they do, but the really don't.

That's what elections are for and if you win in 2018 you can try to get legislation you want. You couldn't even when Obama was president. In the.meantime you shut down the.government because you don't have the votes for the reforms you want yet think that's going to help you win in 2018. It won't. Adopting centrist positions on immigration issues might help you win but then you would have to burn your Che Guevara T shirt.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

They had something and Trump did a 180 and so McConnell scrapped it. So I guess those that voted for Trump feel that these are successful negotiation tactics?

The gang of six never had majority support much less 60 votes in the Senate. They tried to get Trumps endorsement for their plan BEFORE they had a workable coalition and Trump wasn't having it. They played themselves. Trump has made it very clear he will sign any bill Congress brings to him. It's not Trumps job to corral 60 votes. It's not McConnells either because why should McConnell try to pass Schumers bill? I.e. a cr which includes DACA. It's Schumers task to get 60 votes for the proposal Schumer wants, and they simply don't exist.

Trump has made nothing “clear.” He has literally changed his position on these issues in hours or days. McConnell is strapped because he doesn’t know what the president will sign. There are MULTIPLE routes to compromise here, and McConnell will not move forward. Even a no strings push to get 5 days and then get to bipartisan agreement was rejected by McC. Even a no strings bill to get military service members paid regardless, was rejected.

Virginia. New Jersey. Alabama.Wisconsin.

See you at the polls.





Trump will certainly sign a CR that doesn't include DACA. DACA can be left for another day. Schumer doesn't want to do that simply because on the merits of immigration reform as a stand alone issue, the left lacks support for what it wants to do. Thus Schumers play is to leverage a shut down to get an immigration reform bill that he would never be able to get on it's own merits. However this is not a matter of principle for schumer thus he has no sustainable negotiating position on the shut down. That's why he will cave but try to spin his caving as a win.

We will see who gets the last laugh on November 6. And I dare say Che knew more about governing and leadership than the shithole currently occupying the WH. Che didn’t need to payoff porn actresses.

That is the problem. The GOP has punted both DACA and CHIP down the road to use as political chits. They have no intention of dealing with the issue because they don't care about poor children or the Dreamers. They like to claim they do, but the really don't.

That's what elections are for and if you win in 2018 you can try to get legislation you want. You couldn't even when Obama was president. In the.meantime you shut down the.government because you don't have the votes for the reforms you want yet think that's going to help you win in 2018. It won't. Adopting centrist positions on immigration issues might help you win but then you would have to burn your Che Guevara T shirt.