NY Smith allegedly allowed antisemetic bullying and expelled the kids who's parents complained

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As another poster said, it sounds like no adults acted well.

The Hitler drawing should not have been allowed by the teacher. There was probably some comments criticizing the state of Israel that the parents complaint about. And then it all snowballed from there, because everyone lost their tempers, including the Head.

I think we can all agree that the students who were expelled are the victims. Of all the adults.

If we are speculating I agree it’s very plausible there were comments about the state of Israel and equally plausible that there were or were also comments that the IDF is doing a bang up job and all the people they’ve killed are “bad guys.”

There is zero indication of this anywhere in the complaint. You literally just pulled this completely out of your a$$. What you’re doing here is justifying and minimizing antisemitism based on a story you made up in your head. Why? What is your agenda?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

In their efforts to label every criticism of Israel as "anti Semitic", certain people have made the rest of the world more prone to dismiss real attacks against Jews. It's really sad.

LOL the rest of the world clearly doesn’t need an excuse to dismiss real attacks against Jews.

Also, as I’ve mentioned on other threads, in all my many years as a Jewish Zionist who has been to Israel many times and associated with many other Jewish Zionists, I have NEVER, and I mean NEVER met someone who thinks simply criticizing the Israeli government is antisemitic. That would be absurd. No one criticizes the Israeli government more than Israelis.

Meanwhile, antizionists CONSTANTLY say blatantly antisemitic things (Israel = Nazi Germany, the state of Israel should cease to exist, etc.) and then as soon as they are confronted about it, go “you’re trying to silence me by crying antisemitism!!!” I literally can’t get through a single page of any post about Jews/Israel without seeing this tired bs trotted out.

It is a way of silencing Jews’ legitimate concerns about antisemitism and it’s not fooling anyone anymore.

[Anonymous]

Re: "As a lawyer..." Give the complaint a more detailed read, through a strategic lens, and pay attention to the dates.

As to "the image" one need only look at the actual assignment posted above and screenshot circulated on Twitter by Nysmith students -to recognize that the AG complaint is deliberately structured for maximum outrage.

If you are familiar with Machiavelli's "The Prince," reading that assignment should leave you feeling completely manipulated. It reads as an obvious lesson in political realism and the dangers of certain leadership traits. If you aren't bothered by how this has been presented to you in the complaint, then perhaps you need to take a step back and consider your own biases.

Those parents, and these prestigious firms you speak of, deliberately and completely collapsed context to paint those students (nay, "the community") as little hitler worshippers. We call that manufacturing a narrative, and in hindsight my skepticism meter should have been raising alarm bells from the word go.

Nobody- absolutely nobody- was celebrating Hitler or even making the suggestion of "strong leadership." Heck, if you read the assignment, it's not even Hitler, but a conglomeration of "current and historical figures."

So far as I'm concerned, this undermines the entire complaint, and it serves as a reminder that everything it alleges should be taken with a grain of salt. It's from a single perspective of two scorned parents speculating about a lot of things they wouldn't be in a postion to know. And at the heart of the matter is an eleven year old girl in emotional distress at a vulnerable age.

Let's not pretend that the purported prestige of a lawfirm conveys due diligence and veracity. A legal complaint is merely that. Nysmith hasn't been served with anything. There's been no investigation of any sort because that is what the complaint is requesting. It's on the AG to investigate. The strategy of that complaint should be obvious, but unfortunately for Nysmith, outrage moves quickly and truth takes time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, the school may be a den of antisemitism as far as I know but I think it’s disingenuous to refer to the kids as having identified Hitler as a “strong historical leader” without adding the context that it was in regard to course work about Machiavelli and characteristics he espoused.

Yeah there's no "context" that makes it a good idea to identify Hitler as a strong historical leader ffs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, the school may be a den of antisemitism as far as I know but I think it’s disingenuous to refer to the kids as having identified Hitler as a “strong historical leader” without adding the context that it was in regard to course work about Machiavelli and characteristics he espoused.

Yeah there's no "context" that makes it a good idea to identify Hitler as a strong historical leader ffs.

I agree it’s not okay and the teacher should have headed this off (with explanations to the involved kids) but of course the context matters for understanding-it’s not like kids were doing Rosa parks, FDR, and one group did this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re: "As a lawyer..." Give the complaint a more detailed read, through a strategic lens, and pay attention to the dates.

As to "the image" one need only look at the actual assignment posted above and screenshot circulated on Twitter by Nysmith students -to recognize that the AG complaint is deliberately structured for maximum outrage.

If you are familiar with Machiavelli's "The Prince," reading that assignment should leave you feeling completely manipulated. It reads as an obvious lesson in political realism and the dangers of certain leadership traits. If you aren't bothered by how this has been presented to you in the complaint, then perhaps you need to take a step back and consider your own biases.

Those parents, and these prestigious firms you speak of, deliberately and completely collapsed context to paint those students (nay, "the community") as little hitler worshippers. We call that manufacturing a narrative, and in hindsight my skepticism meter should have been raising alarm bells from the word go.

Nobody- absolutely nobody- was celebrating Hitler or even making the suggestion of "strong leadership." Heck, if you read the assignment, it's not even Hitler, but a conglomeration of "current and historical figures."

So far as I'm concerned, this undermines the entire complaint, and it serves as a reminder that everything it alleges should be taken with a grain of salt. It's from a single perspective of two scorned parents speculating about a lot of things they wouldn't be in a postion to know. And at the heart of the matter is an eleven year old girl in emotional distress at a vulnerable age.

Let's not pretend that the purported prestige of a lawfirm conveys due diligence and veracity. A legal complaint is merely that. Nysmith hasn't been served with anything. There's been no investigation of any sort because that is what the complaint is requesting. It's on the AG to investigate. The strategy of that complaint should be obvious, but unfortunately for Nysmith, outrage moves quickly and truth takes time.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, the school may be a den of antisemitism as far as I know but I think it’s disingenuous to refer to the kids as having identified Hitler as a “strong historical leader” without adding the context that it was in regard to course work about Machiavelli and characteristics he espoused.

Didn't Trump say something about how Hitler did some good things? Then he turned around and told Jews to vote for him.

And 78% of us didn't.

And now you are seeing the results of the preferred policy of the Democrats you voted for, namely, a massive influx of foreigners who hate Jews and Israel. But it's not too late, you can still support Trump in his efforts to turn this around and preserve the country!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re: "As a lawyer..." Give the complaint a more detailed read, through a strategic lens, and pay attention to the dates.

As to "the image" one need only look at the actual assignment posted above and screenshot circulated on Twitter by Nysmith students -to recognize that the AG complaint is deliberately structured for maximum outrage.

If you are familiar with Machiavelli's "The Prince," reading that assignment should leave you feeling completely manipulated. It reads as an obvious lesson in political realism and the dangers of certain leadership traits. If you aren't bothered by how this has been presented to you in the complaint, then perhaps you need to take a step back and consider your own biases.

Those parents, and these prestigious firms you speak of, deliberately and completely collapsed context to paint those students (nay, "the community") as little hitler worshippers. We call that manufacturing a narrative, and in hindsight my skepticism meter should have been raising alarm bells from the word go.

Nobody- absolutely nobody- was celebrating Hitler or even making the suggestion of "strong leadership." Heck, if you read the assignment, it's not even Hitler, but a conglomeration of "current and historical figures."

So far as I'm concerned, this undermines the entire complaint, and it serves as a reminder that everything it alleges should be taken with a grain of salt. It's from a single perspective of two scorned parents speculating about a lot of things they wouldn't be in a postion to know. And at the heart of the matter is an eleven year old girl in emotional distress at a vulnerable age.

Let's not pretend that the purported prestige of a lawfirm conveys due diligence and veracity. A legal complaint is merely that. Nysmith hasn't been served with anything. There's been no investigation of any sort because that is what the complaint is requesting. It's on the AG to investigate. The strategy of that complaint should be obvious, but unfortunately for Nysmith, outrage moves quickly and truth takes time.

It's weird they would cancel a jewish speaker and then raise a Palestinean flag though and then expell the girl. I'm sure there is more to it, but it is still very weird behavior.

[Anonymous]

Did they raise a Palestinian flag or add the Palestinian flag to the others hanging in the hall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re: "As a lawyer..." Give the complaint a more detailed read, through a strategic lens, and pay attention to the dates.

As to "the image" one need only look at the actual assignment posted above and screenshot circulated on Twitter by Nysmith students -to recognize that the AG complaint is deliberately structured for maximum outrage.

If you are familiar with Machiavelli's "The Prince," reading that assignment should leave you feeling completely manipulated. It reads as an obvious lesson in political realism and the dangers of certain leadership traits. If you aren't bothered by how this has been presented to you in the complaint, then perhaps you need to take a step back and consider your own biases.

Those parents, and these prestigious firms you speak of, deliberately and completely collapsed context to paint those students (nay, "the community") as little hitler worshippers. We call that manufacturing a narrative, and in hindsight my skepticism meter should have been raising alarm bells from the word go.

Nobody- absolutely nobody- was celebrating Hitler or even making the suggestion of "strong leadership." Heck, if you read the assignment, it's not even Hitler, but a conglomeration of "current and historical figures."

So far as I'm concerned, this undermines the entire complaint, and it serves as a reminder that everything it alleges should be taken with a grain of salt. It's from a single perspective of two scorned parents speculating about a lot of things they wouldn't be in a postion to know. And at the heart of the matter is an eleven year old girl in emotional distress at a vulnerable age.

Let's not pretend that the purported prestige of a lawfirm conveys due diligence and veracity. A legal complaint is merely that. Nysmith hasn't been served with anything. There's been no investigation of any sort because that is what the complaint is requesting. It's on the AG to investigate. The strategy of that complaint should be obvious, but unfortunately for Nysmith, outrage moves quickly and truth takes time.

The assignment, and whatever context you are trying to attach to it, hardly "undermines the entire complaint". Most of the complaint is centered on the incessant bullying (corroborated) and the inability of leadership to do something about it...leading to the expulsion of the students because the parents continued to stand up for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did they raise a Palestinian flag or add the Palestinian flag to the others hanging in the hall?

They added it to the many other flags in the gym, which have included the flag of Israel for years now

[Anonymous]

Unless you tell me that the comment/email from Ken Nysmith was manufactured, the complaint has tremendous merit and the school should be embarrassed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did they raise a Palestinian flag or add the Palestinian flag to the others hanging in the hall?

I read that it was added.

The Hitler poster was created by middle school aged kids. I cannot tell what the comments are on the poster that the website showed. I'd kind of like to know that for some perspective.

I realize these kids are supposed to be "gifted." But, that does not mean emotionally mature. I'm not sure if reading The Prince is appropriate here. But, parents can brag about what their kids are studying, I guess.

I would be interested to know if the Holocaust was addressed with these kids when they created the poster of Hitler.

In the current political atmosphere, there have been some praising Hitler when protesting Israel. That kind of colors this whole discussion.

Nevertheless, the HoS stepped in it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did they raise a Palestinian flag or add the Palestinian flag to the others hanging in the hall?

They added it to the many other flags in the gym, which have included the flag of Israel for years now

Okay, so why is that part of the complaint? The Hitler poster, the bullying, antisemitic comments I totally think are valid cause for concern. It's weird that this flag has become part of the complaint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did they raise a Palestinian flag or add the Palestinian flag to the others hanging in the hall?

They added it to the many other flags in the gym, which have included the flag of Israel for years now

Okay, so why is that part of the complaint? The Hitler poster, the bullying, antisemitic comments I totally think are valid cause for concern. It's weird that this flag has become part of the complaint.

Maybe, it was the timing of adding the flag.