Ivy League Schools

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy grad who will not send my kids. Look take your own risks, call me names and tell me my kids can't get in (they can). The ivy league has become complete garbage. Even if your child does not participate in this cult like behavior, too many employers will be afraid to hire them. No way I would invest the money in an ivy education anymore. Zero return on investment and too much risk of what the education will do to my children.

When you take a deep dive into the outcomes, and your kid has sights set on T14 law or a top md-phd or startup boosts, you can see that ivies/ivy+ do in fact give a boost and are significantly overrepresented within these outcomes. An education with that peer group is second to none. It was true in my day and is still true with my kids at their schools. It opens doors wide even for average kids who attend.

You are wrong. Law schools now only care about GPa and LSAT. Period (ok first generation and URM too). They don't give a fig about where your kid went do and you get no boost? Why? because the stats used to be sent by all law schools to USNWR. Since USNWR valued highly GPA and test scores those schools who could prove high stats on both were rewarded with a higher ranking

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Anonymous wrote:I went to
Harvard. i would no longer send my kids there or any of the ivies. i want them to get an education not political indoctrination from the extreme left. Both are going to either Canada or Oxford ( already accepted)

Sorry, but protests are happening in Canada and the UK. McGill and Oxford already have protests going on.
Seriously, though, this is what students do. They protest, and when you have very large protests that happen internationally, you should listen. Students were not wrong about Vietnam or South Africa, even though at the time students were criticized by people probably like you for being naive, unpatriotic, hypocritical, etc.

You are very naive about what is and what is not going on. The Viet nam protests were not violent (with the exception of Kent State) and did not involve anti-semitism! And, no that's "not what students do". Have you not seen the outtakes about the incredibly hateful/death threats that the anti-palestinian groups are using?

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Law schools do care just about GPA and LSAT, but a 4.0 from a top college is probably worth a bit more than a 4.0 at a lower-ranked school, absent other personal considerations.

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Anonymous wrote:My son has been accepted to a couple Ivy League schools and I just wanted to hear opinions from others, what are some of the benefits of an Ivy over another top 50 school?

For those who need FA, ivy FA is better than 2nd tier FA. I couldn't afford WashU, Rice, USC, Vandy, Emory, Duke, NU, NYU... As good as the 2nd tier schools are, no reason to pay more for them than ivies. Choosing an affordable ivy plus school on small savings and cash flow over 2nd tier schools didn't ruin my kid's life.

False as a generalization. Ivies don't offer much merit or financial aid because they don't have. Also the Ivy institutin doesn't control the process for 90% of the time. In inorder get the composition of incoming class right (in their social engineering view). Harvard, for example, does NOT give great merit.

Now what the Ivies DO offer is some great scholarships if household income is very low. Go look it up. It's so low that it's irrelevant for most posters here.

Finally, re Ivy financial aid, the Ivies have no choice in how the applicant is assessed via CSS or so have little autonomy, which OP seems to think they do. Those in the know rely on on collegeconfidential or reddit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to
Harvard. i would no longer send my kids there or any of the ivies. i want them to get an education not political indoctrination from the extreme left. Both are going to either Canada or Oxford ( already accepted)

Sorry, but protests are happening in Canada and the UK. McGill and Oxford already have protests going on.
Seriously, though, this is what students do. They protest, and when you have very large protests that happen internationally, you should listen. Students were not wrong about Vietnam or South Africa, even though at the time students were criticized by people probably like you for being naive, unpatriotic, hypocritical, etc.

Me? I wasn't even alive then. Go to politics. Stop being nasty here

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Anonymous wrote:I think Ivy outcomes are about to take a nose-dive. Students only admitted under test optional policies or because they checked certain “woke” boxes will tarnish the Ivy rep (see post above with Hamas-supporter requesting food delivery to protestors). Students engaging in antisemitism will be blacklisted. So if the “education” doesn’t seem top tier anymore and is, in fact, indoctrination and anti-American, I am hoping more families with means will opt out. Maybe this will force a correction in tuition. We can only hope!

Well
Affirmative action was ousted and they are bringing back scores.

you are wrong about afffirm action. Both my slac and law school (and all other institutions i kniw iif) sent out letters post scotus devision about oledge to diversity. the battle has just moved from a box to a more sleight-of-hand expansion in the essay. Roberts said that was ok so thats now where students talk about race etc

Yes but the URM kids getting in this year everywhere are not the ones whose parents are both bankers and doctors, but rather the first generation kids whose dad is the janitor at the private school.

There’s been a big shift. And at least at our private a lot of white and Asian kids are having stellar results because of it.

Utterly false. Prove it. This is EXACTLY (child of URM parents who are legacies) the kind of URM kid that stanford wants and accepts. Becuase it checks off at least two boxe: a URM they can report to USNWR and pleasing an alum

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Anonymous wrote:Law schools do care just about GPA and LSAT, but a 4.0 from a top college is probably worth a bit more than a 4.0 at a lower-ranked school, absent other personal considerations.

It's not for law school. Go look it up. All they care about is LSAT and GPA. Because those are the figures they report

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy grad who will not send my kids. Look take your own risks, call me names and tell me my kids can't get in (they can). The ivy league has become complete garbage. Even if your child does not participate in this cult like behavior, too many employers will be afraid to hire them. No way I would invest the money in an ivy education anymore. Zero return on investment and too much risk of what the education will do to my children.

Doubt you are really an Ivy grad cause people would not curse their padigree unless something like their kids wasn't let in their alma mater.

dp but another ivy grad who wont send his kid there:
1) there was no cursing
2) its spelled pedigree
my kids are going overseas

What’s with all the kids going overseas?

schools arent woke, students are there learn, no indoctrination, schools are less expensive, got into Oxford

Except they are woke. Just admit you are looking for prestige on the cheap.

Are you this much of a bully in real life? NO, kid wanted it, and got in. End of story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Law schools do care just about GPA and LSAT, but a 4.0 from a top college is probably worth a bit more than a 4.0 at a lower-ranked school, absent other personal considerations.

It's not for law school. Go look it up. All they care about is LSAT and GPA. Because those are the figures they report

Right, but if the numbers are identical, they'll favor a kid who earned the GPA at a more rigorous school.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to
Harvard. i would no longer send my kids there or any of the ivies. i want them to get an education not political indoctrination from the extreme left. Both are going to either Canada or Oxford ( already accepted)

Sorry, but protests are happening in Canada and the UK. McGill and Oxford already have protests going on.
Seriously, though, this is what students do. They protest, and when you have very large protests that happen internationally, you should listen. Students were not wrong about Vietnam or South Africa, even though at the time students were criticized by people probably like you for being naive, unpatriotic, hypocritical, etc.

Actually Oxford does not. I just asked my DC who is there. It's not happening there no matter what you want to believe in the liberal media. Oxford thinks America has lost its mind.Look it up. The only recent Oxford protest event involved someone trying to cancel nancy pelosi at an oxford union event which was received with great applause. That is all. Sure you can find some stuff happening today at Leeds, but not everywhere in the UK or Europe nor anything like the liberal media wants you to believe. It's just not happening like that over there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivy grad who will not send my kids. Look take your own risks, call me names and tell me my kids can't get in (they can). The ivy league has become complete garbage. Even if your child does not participate in this cult like behavior, too many employers will be afraid to hire them. No way I would invest the money in an ivy education anymore. Zero return on investment and too much risk of what the education will do to my children.

+1. Send my DS to Oxford to avoid this madness.

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I feel like the Ivy effect is a bit like breastfeeding. People think an Ivy league education/degree will be transformative, then they get out into the workplace and it turns out they are surrounded by people from state schools who paid a fraction of what they did and have the same jobs. Sure, it probably makes some difference, but it's marginal. The same student will likely do fine with any reputable degree, certainly any Top 50 degree. And if you add in the financial aspect they'll do better with less debt weighing them down.

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Anonymous wrote:Law schools do care just about GPA and LSAT, but a 4.0 from a top college is probably worth a bit more than a 4.0 at a lower-ranked school, absent other personal considerations.

It's not for law school. Go look it up. All they care about is LSAT and GPA. Because those are the figures they report

Right, but if the numbers are identical, they'll favor a kid who earned the GPA at a more rigorous school.

BUT THAT ISN'T THE CHOICE IN FRONT OF THEM! There are tens of thousands of applications. They aren't looking at JUST TWO. It isn't do we pickthis kid or that kid in isolation! It's "how do we fill this class with the highest GPAs and LSAT scores possible so we can report that to USNWR>". Don't believe me? look at the stats for last year's admission to Harvard law, my alma mater: an impossible 3.9 on a 4.0 top scale for GPA at the 75th percentile and a 176 on the LSAT. Do you realize just how difficult that is? They don't give a fig if you went to podunk U in Alaska. Actually, Podunk U might work because Admissions still likes to brag about geography so Alaska could help.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Law schools do care just about GPA and LSAT, but a 4.0 from a top college is probably worth a bit more than a 4.0 at a lower-ranked school, absent other personal considerations.

It's not for law school. Go look it up. All they care about is LSAT and GPA. Because those are the figures they report

Right, but if the numbers are identical, they'll favor a kid who earned the GPA at a more rigorous school.

BUT THAT ISN'T THE CHOICE IN FRONT OF THEM! There are tens of thousands of applications. They aren't looking at JUST TWO. It isn't do we pickthis kid or that kid in isolation! It's "how do we fill this class with the highest GPAs and LSAT scores possible so we can report that to USNWR>". Don't believe me? look at the stats for last year's admission to Harvard law, my alma mater: an impossible 3.9 on a 4.0 top scale for GPA at the 75th percentile and a 176 on the LSAT. Do you realize just how difficult that is? They don't give a fig if you went to podunk U in Alaska. Actually, Podunk U might work because Admissions still likes to brag about geography so Alaska could help.

I don't disagree. You need top stats from any undergrad to get into a top law school.

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I'd count on a 4.0 and a 175 to get into a top law school.