Wall Street Journal and Times Higher Education - new ranking released

[Anonymous]

For those who care (and I understand that some do not ), The Wall Street Journal and THE (Times Higher Education) have released a new college ranking that may be the first real threat to the dominant USNEWS rankings. Like the US NEWS rankings the WSJ/THE rankings take numerous facts into account – like USNEWS . they detail their methodology and weighting of factors. The biggest difference I note is that WSJ/THE places greater emphasis on student satisfaction/outcomes, whilst USNEWS emphasizes peer opinion. A bit like emphasizing customer satisfaction rather than industry reputation (a s a consumer I find customer satisfaction more important than what suppliers think of one another).
The results aren’t that much difference, but do seem to be more aligned with my subjective experience and impressions:

#1 Stanford University 92/100
#2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 91.3/100
#3 Columbia University 90.9/100
#4 University of Pennsylvania 90.8/100
#5 Yale University 90.4/100
#6 Harvard University 90.3/100
#7 Duke University 90/100
#8 Princeton University 89.6/100
#9 Cornell University 89.1/100
#10 California Institute of Technology 89/100
#11 John Hopkins University 88.7/100
#11 Washington University of St. Louis 88.7/100
#13 University of Chicago 88.4/100
#13 Northwestern University 88.4/100
#15 University of Southern California 88.3/100
#16 Dartmouth College 88.1/100
#17 Emory University 87.9/100
#18 Rice University 87.2/100
#19 Carnegie Mellon University 87.1/100
#20 Brown University 87/100
#21 Vanderbilt University 86.7/100
#22 Williams College 84.5/100
#23 Amherst College 84.5/100
#24 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 83.8/100
#25 University of Notre Dame 83.6/100

BTW - WSJ/THE is aiming squarely at USNEWS with a “free” comparison of methodologies.

[Anonymous]

Interesting that Michigan is the ONLY public university listed. Where is the complete ranking?

[Anonymous]

No Berkeley?

[Anonymous]

The site is not very user friendly http://www.wsj.com/graphics/college-rankings-2016/

Berkeley is pretty far down the list, which is surprising, but might be a result of the persistent budget cuts in the UC system.

[Anonymous]

Yeah! Anything that breaks the monopoly of US News is good, however much the methodology may be flawed.

[Anonymous]

The Brown boosters from the other thread won't like that this list has Michigan a mere four spots down. Quelle horreur.

[Anonymous]

At the risk of waking up the UMD booster, does anyone know where UMD ranked? I can't view the list without a WSJ subscription.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At the risk of waking up the UMD booster, does anyone know where UMD ranked? I can't view the list without a WSJ subscription.

100

I'm not MD booster but that is really low. I definitely think UMD is a better school than UNC for sure. UNC is rated way too high on this (and in USNews).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Brown boosters from the other thread won't like that this list has Michigan a mere four spots down. Quelle horreur.

If you hang with hoi polloi, Michigan is no different than Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State. Few of them have even heard of Brown.

If you mingle in higher class circles, everyone knows and respects Brown. You're either very smart and/or very rich. If you drop Michigan around this crowd they all know it's where you go when you can't get into a top 20 college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Brown boosters from the other thread won't like that this list has Michigan a mere four spots down. Quelle horreur.

If you hang with hoi polloi, Michigan is no different than Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State. Few of them have even heard of Brown.

If you mingle in higher class circles, everyone knows and respects Brown. You're either very smart and/or very rich. If you drop Michigan around this crowd they all know it's where you go when you can't get into a top 20 college.

i went to psu - got into cmu, jhu, and gtown. I fully admit, I wasn't good enough to get into privates that are not stingy with fin aid like hyps

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Brown boosters from the other thread won't like that this list has Michigan a mere four spots down. Quelle horreur.

If you hang with hoi polloi, Michigan is no different than Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State. Few of them have even heard of Brown.

If you mingle in higher class circles, everyone knows and respects Brown. You're either very smart and/or very rich. If you drop Michigan around this crowd they all know it's where you go when you can't get into a top 20 college.

i went to psu - got into cmu, jhu, and gtown. I fully admit, I wasn't good enough to get into privates that are not stingy with fin aid like hyps

That is the reality for most people. State will be fine with us. No point in applying to higher ranked expensive schools.

[Anonymous]

Where was Tufts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Brown boosters from the other thread won't like that this list has Michigan a mere four spots down. Quelle horreur.

If you hang with hoi polloi, Michigan is no different than Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State. Few of them have even heard of Brown.

If you mingle in higher class circles, everyone knows and respects Brown. You're either very smart and/or very rich. If you drop Michigan around this crowd they all know it's where you go when you can't get into a top 20 college.

how's the weather up there in your high class circle? I hope they're appropriately appreciating your Brown degree. You're a piece of work.

[Anonymous]

I am going to start a college ranking. That is clearly a business with excess demand.

You all know they just take 10-20 stats, put some weights on them (or not), and then throw out a list. It makes people feel great to see their college (or their kids') is higher on the list than another school.

But honestly, is that really how you pick a school? Ultimately, there are a completely separate list of things that really matter to you, not all of the same importance. Is it really important to you whether students from the school, on average, earn $2000 more a year the first year out of college? Is that an accurate predictor for your own income? Do you care whether 72% versus 68% of the professors have Ph.D.'s? Why do I care how WSJ ranks colleges? I rank them differently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the risk of waking up the UMD booster, does anyone know where UMD ranked? I can't view the list without a WSJ subscription.

100

I'm not MD booster but that is really low. I definitely think UMD is a better school than UNC for sure. UNC is rated way too high on this (and in USNews).

I thought that UMD usually does well on the Times Higher Ed ranking. I wonder why they are ranked so low (lower than the US News ranking) in this study.