Math reasoning in 5th grade

[Anonymous]

What is involved in the math reasoning test in 5th grade AAP? What are they looking for? I believe it is the first step toward screening for Algebra.

[Anonymous]

Never heard of this. Ask your kid's teacher.

[Anonymous]

It's not-- Algebra is decided on Iowa test (fall 6th grade, need 93 %) and 7th grade SOL (spring 6th grade, must pass advanced). And do your child a favor and don't prep this. Middle school AAP is a tough transition, and Algebra counts towards HS GPA/goes on HS transcript. You want your child to be really, really ready anD be mature enough to do things like turn homework in every day.

[Anonymous]

There is an assessment called the Math Reasoning Assessment (MRA) that is administered in FCPS to k-2 students throughout the school year. Teachers in those grades are doing that assessment now. Are you confused and think that 5th graders take it?

[Anonymous]

OP, yes, you are correct. I understand that beginning this year, FCPS has changed the criteria for 5th graders taking up the IOWA test. Fifth graders that have had a 575+ in a previous Math SOL and 130+ (or is it 132..cant remember) will take up the Math reasoning test and if they get 85 percentile or above, then they get to sit for the IOWA. I believe 91% is the cutoff for IOWA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, yes, you are correct. I understand that beginning this year, FCPS has changed the criteria for 5th graders taking up the IOWA test. Fifth graders that have had a 575+ in a previous Math SOL and 130+ (or is it 132..cant remember) will take up the Math reasoning test and if they get 85 percentile or above, then they get to sit for the IOWA. I believe 91% is the cutoff for IOWA.

Wouldn't this have occurred months ago? The IAAT is given in January. At our school, the subset of 5th graders in advanced math take the IAAT at the same time as the 6th graders.

[Anonymous]

10:53 here. The 5th graders did not take it along with the 6th graders. Like I said, FCPS changed the process and the 5th graders are taking the Math Reasoning on either June 6/June 13 and IOWA is sometime around June 22. Maybe a day or two after last day of school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, yes, you are correct. I understand that beginning this year, FCPS has changed the criteria for 5th graders taking up the IOWA test. Fifth graders that have had a 575+ in a previous Math SOL and 130+ (or is it 132..cant remember) will take up the Math reasoning test and if they get 85 percentile or above, then they get to sit for the IOWA. I believe 91% is the cutoff for IOWA.

Having a kid who got 600s on all math SOLs and scored in the upper 140s when the ceiling was 150, and also got a 98 on the Iowa to take algebra in 7th, an 85% seems like an awfully low threshhold to take algerbra in 6th grade, particularly if they only around the 90th percentile on the Iowa. It sounds like a recipe for crash and burn, or at the minimum a lot of stress and tears for those sixth graders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, yes, you are correct. I understand that beginning this year, FCPS has changed the criteria for 5th graders taking up the IOWA test. Fifth graders that have had a 575+ in a previous Math SOL and 130+ (or is it 132..cant remember) will take up the Math reasoning test and if they get 85 percentile or above, then they get to sit for the IOWA. I believe 91% is the cutoff for IOWA.

Having a kid who got 600s on all math SOLs and scored in the upper 140s when the ceiling was 150, and also got a 98 on the Iowa to take algebra in 7th, an 85% seems like an awfully low threshhold to take algerbra in 6th grade, particularly if they only around the 90th percentile on the Iowa. It sounds like a recipe for crash and burn, or at the minimum a lot of stress and tears for those sixth graders.

I can see letting them take the Iowa if they score in the upper 90s on that math reasoning test, but 85 is a very low requirement.

[Anonymous]

Do most kids take Algebra in 7th grade?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:10:53 here. The 5th graders did not take it along with the 6th graders. Like I said, FCPS changed the process and the 5th graders are taking the Math Reasoning on either June 6/June 13 and IOWA is sometime around June 22. Maybe a day or two after last day of school.

This is to take Algebra in 6th grade or 7th? This sounds like 6th grade Algebra. Are they administering math reasoning in 5th for 7th grade Algebra eligibility?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do most kids take Algebra in 7th grade?

A large subset of AAP kids do-- but by no means all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, yes, you are correct. I understand that beginning this year, FCPS has changed the criteria for 5th graders taking up the IOWA test. Fifth graders that have had a 575+ in a previous Math SOL and 130+ (or is it 132..cant remember) will take up the Math reasoning test and if they get 85 percentile or above, then they get to sit for the IOWA. I believe 91% is the cutoff for IOWA.

What is the IOWA test used for here? Does it offer more granularity than the SOLs? I recall taking them during middle school, and knew they were being used for tracking (before there were middle school magnets back there), but the kids in FCPS are already receiving differentiated lessons by then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:10:53 here. The 5th graders did not take it along with the 6th graders. Like I said, FCPS changed the process and the 5th graders are taking the Math Reasoning on either June 6/June 13 and IOWA is sometime around June 22. Maybe a day or two after last day of school.

a couple of days after the school year ends? how are they doing this? I guess the 5th grade population was warned earlier on that they may have to stick around?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:10:53 here. The 5th graders did not take it along with the 6th graders. Like I said, FCPS changed the process and the 5th graders are taking the Math Reasoning on either June 6/June 13 and IOWA is sometime around June 22. Maybe a day or two after last day of school.

This is not occurring at our Center school. The 5th graders took the IAAT already (in January) with the 6th graders.