Wolftrap / Louise Archer or Colvin Run (AAP?)- mainstreaming AAP at level IV

[Anonymous]

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Ok, here are the facts, for the past three years of available data, the share of aap level 4 students at Wolftrap ES has been between 20 and 21% not close to 1/3 or anywhere near over 50%. You can see the official FCPS demographic data here: http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13:4780563531435020:::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:042

That is 21% of the whole school, which includes k,1 and 2 who can not qualify for level IV services. Those grade levels are bringing down the average for 3rd and above.

Good point, but it won't get to over half.

What difference does it make if it is 40%, 45% or 50%?

I guess facts don't matter to you. 40 ain't over half.

[Anonymous]

Minutia and nit picking take up far too many threads. It doesn't really matter if there are 40,45 or 50% AAP students at a particular school. It means that they have a strong program. I don't think anyone will say, "Oh they only have 40% AAP, I think we school go to another school that has 45%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Minutia and nit picking take up far too many threads. It doesn't really matter if there are 40,45 or 50% AAP students at a particular school. It means that they have a strong program. I don't think anyone will say, "Oh they only have 40% AAP, I think we school go to another school that has 45%.

So does exageration and BS

... and it doesn't mean they have a strong program, it means that they have a certain share of kids that are deemed eligible by the central committee. Anything else is more puffery and inflation. btw the aap share at WT is below 40%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the evidence you want

http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/86789J2271B7/$FILE/AttachmentA.pdf

Find Wolftrap on the list. It shows in 2009-2010 34 third graders who were eligible opted to stay at the local school and 4 of the students who were eligible went to the center. That is a total of 38 students qualifying.

Cross reference that with the number of third graders at Wolftrap in third grade - you can go here to the school's profile, and you will see the SOL scores showing that in that year, there were 93 students total in that grade level. So 38 out of 93 students is 41%.

You could probably figure this out for other grade levels too by doing a goodle search for the documents, like I did to find these.

Easier way for this year -- use Dashboard:

http://www.fcps.edu/fts/dashboard/enrollment/esenroll.html



Under "Capacity & Enrollment" at the top, select the ES Enrollment Dashboard site and then scroll down to Wolftrap ES.

Mouseover the AAP Out blue bar to find a total of 24 students that left Wolftrap (presumably to go to the AAP Center).

Then, way at the bottom go to the Enrollment by Grade Level chart. Mouseover the blue section for grades 3, 4, 5 and 6.

You'll see 33 AAP for grade 3, 31 AAP for grade 4, 25 AAP for grade 5, and 43 AAP for grade 6.

[Anonymous]

These little details are why people roll their eyes at the AAP program. Your kid will be fine either way whether the school has 30 or 80 children in the program. Both Wolftrap and Louise Archer are established programs. Why don't you wait for your kid to actually GET IN the program, then go to the ORIENTATIONS, and make a decision between YOU and YOUR CHILD. If you have a specific question, I'm sure someone can help at that point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These little details are why people roll their eyes at the AAP program. Your kid will be fine either way whether the school has 30 or 80 children in the program. Both Wolftrap and Louise Archer are established programs. Why don't you wait for your kid to actually GET IN the program, then go to the ORIENTATIONS, and make a decision between YOU and YOUR CHILD. If you have a specific question, I'm sure someone can help at that point.

Wow- such hostility! When you are notified, you are not given a lot of time to decide per say. I was asking for feedback from others and their experiences. One orientation is additional information- that's all.

[Anonymous]

The questioning of 40% verses 50% was what was over the top.

[Anonymous]

Whatever... Keep asserting BS then when faced with facts that its made it up, declare that it really doesn't matter anyway that's what's over the top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whatever... Keep asserting BS then when faced with facts that its made it up, declare that it really doesn't matter anyway that's what's over the top.

New Poster. The data from Board Docs that one of the earlier posters used to come up with 41% was just one class from 2008-2009. If you look at Wolftrap's most recent 3rd grade class on Dashboard, it shows 33 kids out of 80 are Level 4. If you add in the kids who went to Louise Archer this year, it's very likely they are at 50% (based on that same Board Docs, between 8-10 kids went to Louise Archer from Wolftrap each year). So I don't think it is far-fetched to say 50% qualified, as most people use the latest class numbers. Looking at the latest 4 years, one could surmise that 40-50% from WolfTrap qualify for Level 4 each year.

[Anonymous]

So why does Wolftrap have such high AAP eligible students? And is there any consideration into turning wolftrap into an AAP center?

[Anonymous]

Go to an AAP center then you don't have to worry about "mainstreaming" - they are in AAP all day .... and because I know it is on your horizon - that is the best avenue to TJ admission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go to an AAP center then you don't have to worry about "mainstreaming" - they are in AAP all day .... and because I know it is on your horizon - that is the best avenue to TJ admission.

OP here- I can see why there is a thread about snarky people about AAP.. DC is in second grade.. not thinking about HS- don't even know if we'll live in this area (hope not!) and frankly 1) TJ sounds good for some kids- not all kids- if I could say right now based on DC I'd say it wasn't the best fit for DC BUT 2) DC will be older and have a say if even that is an interest and/or possibility!

[Anonymous]

But you are concerned about any mainstreaming, it's even in your title and you keep mentioning it. I think the poster was trying to be helpful since you keep asserting that Wolftrap doesn't have a strong enough AAP program even though 3/4 of the children AAP eligible decide to stay instead of attending Louise Archer which is a top AAP center school. Louise Archer or Colvin Run being center schools will definitely have more AAP eligible children and will not mainstream plus could give your child an advantage if you are considering very high level programs in the future such as TJ. No one will dispute this. Other families though feel schools like Wolftrap and Oakton are challenging enough and are more interested in continuity for their child and appreciate that the school allows all children to have a high level of education. Your child is already at the school in a mixed classroom I'm assuming. You and your child should be able to make a decision whether mainstreaming for a few hours a week will be ok and if your child already has peers at the school that they enjoy and who will help challenge them. There are some private children that start in 3rd grade, but most of the children will be the same.

[Anonymous]

If your child qualifies than go the the Level IV center. it has been my experience that the child will not get the same quality of instruction even at a scholl that has a local level iv program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It was just listed on a recent thread about the 50%. I do know that Wolftrap and some of the other schools changed their program partly because they have more than one class size of AAP students.

Mention on another thread doesn't make the over 50% stat true. I don't doubt that schools like WT have higher shares of aap, but over half eligible is ridiculous. If there are 4 to 5 classes per grade as is the norm in most ES, then there would be over 2 classes of solely aap eligible DCs. Very unlikely.

I realize this is an old thread, but wanted to point out that in 4th grade at Colvin Run, there are 4 AAP classes... and 2 GE. Something is very, very wrong here.