Are ivy students more attractive currently than when we were on campus 20-30 years ago?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think in the late 80s and 90s we dressed so very differently. We were, as a pp noted, often purposely in "grunge" clothes. I wore beat up stuff from the Army Navy store, and I wasn't a particular trend-follower - its just what we did back then. I do think kids today are much more fashion conscious and spend time trying to be pretty.

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The "rich" and "elite" comments are out of touch. Ivies are way more diverse these days and financial aid is extremely generous. These days 20% of Harvard undergrads don't pay tuition. 70% received some kind of aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think in the late 80s and 90s we dressed so very differently. We were, as a pp noted, often purposely in "grunge" clothes. I wore beat up stuff from the Army Navy store, and I wasn't a particular trend-follower - its just what we did back then. I do think kids today are much more fashion conscious and spend time trying to be pretty.

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The "rich" and "elite" comments are out of touch. Ivies are way more diverse these days and financial aid is extremely generous. These days 20% of Harvard undergrads don't pay tuition. 70% received some kind of aid.

Your post is a bit contradictory. You'd be thinking that Ivy kids today are worse dressed as it's more diverse and less affluent student body compared to 20-30 years ago, but the poster talking about the 1980s/1990s is saying they were grungy in those days while today's kids are more fashion conscious.

The shocking cost of higher education means that a lot of mere upper middle class kids are now getting financial aid. The schools still struggle recruit students from genuine working class families, especially white working class families.

[Anonymous]

Ivies? No...the women are all overweight, horrible haircuts, tattooed, androgynous beings.

Go to an SEC school and yes, the women are in great shape, know how to keep dress well and are much, much more attractive than in the 1990's/2000's.

[Anonymous]

Mary a smart woman and end up with smart kids. Mary a dumb woman and roll the dice. Dumb kids are a burden forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mary a smart woman and end up with smart kids. Mary a dumb woman and roll the dice. Dumb kids are a burden forever.

Marry a smart woman and get to have interesting conversations for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mary a smart woman and end up with smart kids. Mary a dumb woman and roll the dice. Dumb kids are a burden forever.

Says the poster who misspells marry twice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to comment on today versus 20 or 30 years ago. But I will say that when I was at my Ivy I also had the opportunity to travel to several large northeastern state universities/regional public universities for specific events and it struck me how different the students looked. People at the state schools were a lot heavier and not as groomed. Not everyone, of course! But there was certainly a quota of overweight and slobby students as well as generally unhealthy looking students that you rarely saw at the Ivy.

The Ivies are dominated by the educated upper middle classes from professional families as well as affluent families and the American upper middle and upper classes are, as a group, healthy and well-groomed. Part of it has to do with money and access to nicer clothes, part of it has to do with education promoting healthier lifestyles and a large part of it clearly has to do with peer pressure within the upper classes of America.

You see this difference in schools as well. Compare the student body at the DC private schools or elite public high schools with regular public high schools in the outer suburbs or PG county or especially in rural areas, you will see a big difference in how the kids look and dress.

This is not true at the large southern schools. The girls there are hands down the best looking of all college girls.

[Anonymous]

May I submit that now we're, we'll, no longer young, youth factors much more into our perception of attractiveness?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivies? No...the women are all overweight, horrible haircuts, tattooed, androgynous beings.

Go to an SEC school and yes, the women are in great shape, know how to keep dress well and are much, much more attractive than in the 1990's/2000's.

Great... if you're attracted to tacky, over-bleached teeth with orange fake tan skin, sociology majoring, bimbos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was shocked to see how heavy the women were in a recent college magazine.

Second tier college?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivies? No...the women are all overweight, horrible haircuts, tattooed, androgynous beings.

Go to an SEC school and yes, the women are in great shape, know how to keep dress well and are much, much more attractive than in the 1990's/2000's.

I don't think your description of Ivy students is accurate at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think in the late 80s and 90s we dressed so very differently. We were, as a pp noted, often purposely in "grunge" clothes. I wore beat up stuff from the Army Navy store, and I wasn't a particular trend-follower - its just what we did back then. I do think kids today are much more fashion conscious and spend time trying to be pretty.

+1

The "rich" and "elite" comments are out of touch. Ivies are way more diverse these days and financial aid is extremely generous. These days 20% of Harvard undergrads don't pay tuition. 70% received some kind of aid.

Your post is a bit contradictory. You'd be thinking that Ivy kids today are worse dressed as it's more diverse and less affluent student body compared to 20-30 years ago, but the poster talking about the 1980s/1990s is saying they were grungy in those days while today's kids are more fashion conscious.

The shocking cost of higher education means that a lot of mere upper middle class kids are now getting financial aid. The schools still struggle recruit students from genuine working class families, especially white working class families.

Sorry. I was trying to agree with the first post but also add a new point.

1) kids dress differently these days
2) the overall student population is not as "elite" as it once was

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivies? No...the women are all overweight, horrible haircuts, tattooed, androgynous beings.

Go to an SEC school and yes, the women are in great shape, know how to keep dress well and are much, much more attractive than in the 1990's/2000's.

I don't think your description of Ivy students is accurate at all.

Op here - yeah it’s clear sec pp has no clue what they are talking about.

The average weight at an sec school is higher than in the Ivy League. There are virtually no fat girls in the student bodies these days

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to comment on today versus 20 or 30 years ago. But I will say that when I was at my Ivy I also had the opportunity to travel to several large northeastern state universities/regional public universities for specific events and it struck me how different the students looked. People at the state schools were a lot heavier and not as groomed. Not everyone, of course! But there was certainly a quota of overweight and slobby students as well as generally unhealthy looking students that you rarely saw at the Ivy.

The Ivies are dominated by the educated upper middle classes from professional families as well as affluent families and the American upper middle and upper classes are, as a group, healthy and well-groomed. Part of it has to do with money and access to nicer clothes, part of it has to do with education promoting healthier lifestyles and a large part of it clearly has to do with peer pressure within the upper classes of America.

You see this difference in schools as well. Compare the student body at the DC private schools or elite public high schools with regular public high schools in the outer suburbs or PG county or especially in rural areas, you will see a big difference in how the kids look and dress.

This is not true at the large southern schools. The girls there are hands down the best looking of all college girls.

Outside of the Greek scene it is very true. Lots of plump girls at Alabama.

[Anonymous]

Dunno about today's students but I will never forget looking at my roommate's Harvard yearbook from the mid 90s, not a single good looking guy in there. Made me feel slightly better about my SLAC where everyone was fit and good looking.

Also, there's a term "Harvard hot" which refers to the mediocre looking people at Harvard who are deemed hot only because they are in comparison to everyone else there but at any other school would not stand out.