Palisades High School bus for students ?

[Anonymous]

OP here thank you for your concern. the new students don't need transfer busses if the m4 make changes and take the kids to the school can be fantastic.
I interested to know about families that can provide carpool from AU Mayor Bowser needs to do something for the families and students now .

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

[Anonymous]

I just heard a recording of the ANC3D (the new school is part of it) transportation committee from a few days ago. Transportation to the new high school is one of the top priorities discussed. Suggestions include a new bus route looping through several metro stations and linking the feeder area to the school. The new bus line would cost around 3M and its funding would need to be approved, so there’s an unknown. Interestingly it’s not clear whose responsibility it is to make sure students can reach the school.

The recording includes the new principal (towards the beginning giving a status update). I liked him!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n99lm72cqjg5dog/ANC3D%20February%201%202023%20Meeting.mp4?dl=0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just heard a recording of the ANC3D (the new school is part of it) transportation committee from a few days ago. Transportation to the new high school is one of the top priorities discussed. Suggestions include a new bus route looping through several metro stations and linking the feeder area to the school. The new bus line would cost around 3M and its funding would need to be approved, so there’s an unknown. Interestingly it’s not clear whose responsibility it is to make sure students can reach the school.

The recording includes the new principal (towards the beginning giving a status update). I liked him!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n99lm72cqjg5dog/ANC3D%20February%201%202023%20Meeting.mp4?dl=0

The new principal seems wonderful, both in public and in private. He seems to really "get it." Yes, he's a DCPS principal working within DCPS, but he doesn't subscribe to the same "strong students don't need any attention" crap that DCPS peddles.

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The kids at Hardy who can still elect Wilson are doing so. There is no reasonable way to get from Cleveland and Woodley Park to the new high school. There's talk of a new bus across Macomb Street, but that will be challenging unless they run smaller buses along that route. Macomb will not be able to accommodate the large DC buses.

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

Most Eaton students are a mile or so from JR with easy bus and metro routes. Nightmare getting to the new high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

Your data? For students living inbounds for Eaton and most of Mann, it is not closer. And for a bunch of other students, Macarthur may be closer as the crow flies, but not easier to get to.

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

Your data? For students living inbounds for Eaton and most of Mann, it is not closer. And for a bunch of other students, Macarthur may be closer as the crow flies, but not easier to get to.

My data is looking at a map.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

The Eaton kids don't go to Deal, it's zoned for Hardy.

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

Your data? For students living inbounds for Eaton and most of Mann, it is not closer. And for a bunch of other students, Macarthur may be closer as the crow flies, but not easier to get to.

My data is looking at a map.

So your data is not very useful. Few DCPS kids live in Georgetown, Foxhall, or Palisades. The bulk of the kids zoned for Macarthur have to get from the Wisconsin Ave corridor (on which their homes and Deal/J-R lie) over to Macarthur Blvd. It is not easy by bus, it is not easy walking or biking (distance and hills), it is not quick driving (small roads + traffic).

But don't let knowledge get in the way of your making assertions.

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

Your data? For students living inbounds for Eaton and most of Mann, it is not closer. And for a bunch of other students, Macarthur may be closer as the crow flies, but not easier to get to.

My data is looking at a map.

So your data is not very useful. Few DCPS kids live in Georgetown, Foxhall, or Palisades. The bulk of the kids zoned for Macarthur have to get from the Wisconsin Ave corridor (on which their homes and Deal/J-R lie) over to Macarthur Blvd. It is not easy by bus, it is not easy walking or biking (distance and hills), it is not quick driving (small roads + traffic).

But don't let knowledge get in the way of your making assertions.

Let's review. I said, "For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR." By "catchment" I meant the land area; a quick look at a map tells you that most of the area is closer to MacArthur.

Let me turn the question around: what's your data? Because I've actually studied the issue, and I know that DCPS has studiously avoided releasing any information about the geographic composition of the current Hardy student body. Sure, you can look at the in-boundary rate for Hardy, and you can look at the in-boundary rate for the feeder schools, and maybe make some inferences, but DCPS won't share a few key facts that you'd need to make any sort of meaningful analysis. Like, for example, what percentage of in-boundary kids at each feeder school go on to Hardy.

So what's your data?

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

Your data? For students living inbounds for Eaton and most of Mann, it is not closer. And for a bunch of other students, Macarthur may be closer as the crow flies, but not easier to get to.

My data is looking at a map.

So your data is not very useful. Few DCPS kids live in Georgetown, Foxhall, or Palisades. The bulk of the kids zoned for Macarthur have to get from the Wisconsin Ave corridor (on which their homes and Deal/J-R lie) over to Macarthur Blvd. It is not easy by bus, it is not easy walking or biking (distance and hills), it is not quick driving (small roads + traffic).

But don't let knowledge get in the way of your making assertions.

Let's review. I said, "For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR." By "catchment" I meant the land area; a quick look at a map tells you that most of the area is closer to MacArthur.

Let me turn the question around: what's your data? Because I've actually studied the issue, and I know that DCPS has studiously avoided releasing any information about the geographic composition of the current Hardy student body. Sure, you can look at the in-boundary rate for Hardy, and you can look at the in-boundary rate for the feeder schools, and maybe make some inferences, but DCPS won't share a few key facts that you'd need to make any sort of meaningful analysis. Like, for example, what percentage of in-boundary kids at each feeder school go on to Hardy.

So what's your data?

You were commenting in a discussion of how people will get to Macarthur. What does proximity of land have to do with anything if no students live on that land?! My data is having lived in three different neighborhoods in Macarthur boundary, have had kids at two different elementaries in the Macarthur boundary, and have kids at Hardy. I know whete a whole bunch of students live.

I also have a good sense of how many OOB were among the 5th grade graduates moving on to Hardy. But the fact that a meaningful number of Hardy students are OOB doesn't make Macarthur any easier to get to.

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

Your data? For students living inbounds for Eaton and most of Mann, it is not closer. And for a bunch of other students, Macarthur may be closer as the crow flies, but not easier to get to.

My data is looking at a map.

So your data is not very useful. Few DCPS kids live in Georgetown, Foxhall, or Palisades. The bulk of the kids zoned for Macarthur have to get from the Wisconsin Ave corridor (on which their homes and Deal/J-R lie) over to Macarthur Blvd. It is not easy by bus, it is not easy walking or biking (distance and hills), it is not quick driving (small roads + traffic).

But don't let knowledge get in the way of your making assertions.

Let's review. I said, "For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR." By "catchment" I meant the land area; a quick look at a map tells you that most of the area is closer to MacArthur.

Let me turn the question around: what's your data? Because I've actually studied the issue, and I know that DCPS has studiously avoided releasing any information about the geographic composition of the current Hardy student body. Sure, you can look at the in-boundary rate for Hardy, and you can look at the in-boundary rate for the feeder schools, and maybe make some inferences, but DCPS won't share a few key facts that you'd need to make any sort of meaningful analysis. Like, for example, what percentage of in-boundary kids at each feeder school go on to Hardy.

So what's your data?

You were commenting in a discussion of how people will get to Macarthur. What does proximity of land have to do with anything if no students live on that land?! My data is having lived in three different neighborhoods in Macarthur boundary, have had kids at two different elementaries in the Macarthur boundary, and have kids at Hardy. I know whete a whole bunch of students live.

I also have a good sense of how many OOB were among the 5th grade graduates moving on to Hardy. But the fact that a meaningful number of Hardy students are OOB doesn't make Macarthur any easier to get to.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

Your data? For students living inbounds for Eaton and most of Mann, it is not closer. And for a bunch of other students, Macarthur may be closer as the crow flies, but not easier to get to.

My data is looking at a map.

So your data is not very useful. Few DCPS kids live in Georgetown, Foxhall, or Palisades. The bulk of the kids zoned for Macarthur have to get from the Wisconsin Ave corridor (on which their homes and Deal/J-R lie) over to Macarthur Blvd. It is not easy by bus, it is not easy walking or biking (distance and hills), it is not quick driving (small roads + traffic).

But don't let knowledge get in the way of your making assertions.

Let's review. I said, "For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR." By "catchment" I meant the land area; a quick look at a map tells you that most of the area is closer to MacArthur.

Let me turn the question around: what's your data? Because I've actually studied the issue, and I know that DCPS has studiously avoided releasing any information about the geographic composition of the current Hardy student body. Sure, you can look at the in-boundary rate for Hardy, and you can look at the in-boundary rate for the feeder schools, and maybe make some inferences, but DCPS won't share a few key facts that you'd need to make any sort of meaningful analysis. Like, for example, what percentage of in-boundary kids at each feeder school go on to Hardy.

So what's your data?

You were commenting in a discussion of how people will get to Macarthur. What does proximity of land have to do with anything if no students live on that land?! My data is having lived in three different neighborhoods in Macarthur boundary, have had kids at two different elementaries in the Macarthur boundary, and have kids at Hardy. I know whete a whole bunch of students live.

I also have a good sense of how many OOB were among the 5th grade graduates moving on to Hardy. But the fact that a meaningful number of Hardy students are OOB doesn't make Macarthur any easier to get to.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Of course. But a whole bunch of actual knowledge beats a look at Google maps.

Most importantly, lack of perfect data does not change what almost everyone zoned for Macarthur is saying: the site is hard to get to, even for in-boundary students. Some bus solutions are seriously needed, so it's great that people are working hard on it. Hopefully, DCPS will really manage to solve it.

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

Your data? For students living inbounds for Eaton and most of Mann, it is not closer. And for a bunch of other students, Macarthur may be closer as the crow flies, but not easier to get to.

My data is looking at a map.

So your data is not very useful. Few DCPS kids live in Georgetown, Foxhall, or Palisades. The bulk of the kids zoned for Macarthur have to get from the Wisconsin Ave corridor (on which their homes and Deal/J-R lie) over to Macarthur Blvd. It is not easy by bus, it is not easy walking or biking (distance and hills), it is not quick driving (small roads + traffic).

But don't let knowledge get in the way of your making assertions.

Let's review. I said, "For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR." By "catchment" I meant the land area; a quick look at a map tells you that most of the area is closer to MacArthur.

Let me turn the question around: what's your data? Because I've actually studied the issue, and I know that DCPS has studiously avoided releasing any information about the geographic composition of the current Hardy student body. Sure, you can look at the in-boundary rate for Hardy, and you can look at the in-boundary rate for the feeder schools, and maybe make some inferences, but DCPS won't share a few key facts that you'd need to make any sort of meaningful analysis. Like, for example, what percentage of in-boundary kids at each feeder school go on to Hardy.

So what's your data?

What PP is trying to say is that the new HS will likely be easier to get to for OOB kids, not feeder kids.