Class of 2023 Average SAT Scores

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.

TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977

Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.

Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even when gone. Brabrand’s incompetence has had lasting effects. Compared to a decade ago 9 schools now vs 6 schools then are below the state average. A decade ago, the average FCPS student did 95 points better than the state average standardized to a 1600 scale compared to the average FCPS student only doing 68 points better state average. Every school district had to deal with the pandemic, etc, but Brabrand made things much worse than his peer superintendents.

School 2010 Totals
TJHSST 2200
Langley 1812
McLean 1778
Woodson 1738
Madison 1734
Oakton 1729
Marshall 1690
Robinson 1665
FCPS 1664
Chantilly 1663
West Springfield 1644
Herndon 1642
Lake Braddock 1639
Fairfax 1635
Westfield 1625
Centreville 1596
South Lakes 1578
South County 1572
West Potomac 1561
Stuart 1532
VIRGINIA 1521
Annandale 1518
Edison 1512
NATION 1509
Falls Church 1505
Lee 1504
Hayfield 1475
Mount Vernon 1458

Not sure that your conclusion is correct. A decade ago, there were far fewer ESOL/immigrant/FARM students in FCPS. Which factor had a more significant impact -- a change in the demographics over the course of a decade? Or a superintendent who was here for a few years?

The former is a known contributor to lower scores. The latter is just your accusation.

Sure you can say that. But almost every other county in the commonwealth has gotten more Hispanic, and Poorer, in this timeframe. No? There still needs to be some responsibility.

Can you post the SAT scores for white students 10 yrs ago? I know they used to have these on their website. Then we can compare it to this year. That's an apples-to-apples comparison. If there really was a decrease due to a "Brabrand effect", it would show up in the group that IS NOT affected by language/immigration trauma/increasing-poverty.

DP - the FCTA has reports from 2017 to 2023, not a decade ago.

2017 was the year Brabrand was hired. White kids scored 1221 on average that year. They scored 1204 last year. Scores went up before they went down as the reports show shows the following trend in the average scores for White kids:

2017: 1221
2018: 1238
2019: 1242
2020: 1235
2021: 1220
2022: 1209
2023: 1204

Scores for every other racial cohort also declined over that period, although by varying amounts (lesser declines among Asian and Black students and a greater decline among Hispanic students).

However, even with that information, your treatment of White students as a proxy for students not affected by "language/immigration trauma/increasing-poverty" may not be accurate, as the "White" cohort could include students fleeing countries like Afghanistan.

So they went up and then, pandemic.

Exactly. As I the OP of the old scores was trying to prove. Brabrand originally had decent scores in the beginning when he hadn’t done much and the policies of Jack Dale and Karen Garza were still in place. But he failed to adopt good policies during Covid to keep the district competitive nationally, and instead spent much of the Covid year virtue signaling George Floyd and a high school admissions process for a school only 1 percent of all FCPS students attend.

Agree how is it that TJHSST was the item on the majority of the Board discussions from June 2020 to Jan 2021? 99 percent of FCPS students don’t attend TJHSST and could have really been helped had Brabrand had not prioritized his time elsewhere. But no. That man had to show his “equity” and “anti racism”

They prioritized some things they wanted to do with as little in-person public participation as possible. What's the expression - "don't ever let a serious crisis go to waste."

[Anonymous]

Honestly F that Brabrand, he knowingly deceived people during Covid for malicious equity reasons so that he could prioritize and get attention to something that would elevate his standing on the national education hierarchy to cash out. All at the expense of the ordinary kids. But in the end, unlike prior superintendents Garza and Domenech he couldn’t get one of those 500k paying non profit positions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.

TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977

Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.

Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.

No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.

TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977

Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.

Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.

No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.

It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.

TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977

Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.

Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.

No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.

It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.

Sure but no one considers Langley to be the best high school in FCPS (not including TJ which is a magnet school). It's either both Langley and McLean or just McLean when people refer to the best Fairfax high schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.

TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977

Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.

Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.

No, Langley is the wealthiest school, not the best. Generally Langley comes in 2nd to McLean in most measures.

It varies from year to year and I'd expect to see Langley at the top again soon. As others have noted, SAT scores correlate fairly highly with income.

Sure but no one considers Langley to be the best high school in FCPS (not including TJ which is a magnet school). It's either both Langley and McLean or just McLean when people refer to the best Fairfax high schools.

Poor trolling attempt.

[Anonymous]

In my view top scores do not equal best school necessarily. It just means the students already come highly motivated and have a good support system at home. Is the education at those schools actually better? Langley or Mclean might have five sections of Calc BC, while Edison might only have one section, but the curriculum should be the same. How effective are teachers? How much are the kids learning, taking into consideration what their starting points are.

And also: “Hispanic” does not automatically mean “English learner” or “Low performing”.

[Anonymous]

local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding

Which group is this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.

TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977

Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.

Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.

They switch places every so often but are pretty consistently top 2.
That’s why when out of towners ask which they should choose when moving in, we tell them to consider their commute, the condition of the buildings, and which house on the market is their favorite rather than worry about the “best” school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my view top scores do not equal best school necessarily. It just means the students already come highly motivated and have a good support system at home. Is the education at those schools actually better? Langley or Mclean might have five sections of Calc BC, while Edison might only have one section, but the curriculum should be the same. How effective are teachers? How much are the kids learning, taking into consideration what their starting points are.

And also: “Hispanic” does not automatically mean “English learner” or “Low performing”.

If students arrive in class highly motivated and with a good support system, it seems likely the teachers will be better positioned to cover the curriculum at the intended pace and depth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently saw this information posted on Twitter regarding average SAT scores for the Class of 2023 at the FCPS high schools. The Class of 2024 average scores will not be available until this fall. A local taxpayer group concerned about FCPS's requests for additional funding submitted a FOIA request and received the College Board report from FCPS.

TJ 1516
McLean 1292
Langley 1267
Oakton 1254
Woodson 1236
Madison 1221
Chantilly 1217
Lake Braddock 1196
Marshall 1186
Centreville 1182
FAIRFAX AVERAGE 1181
Robinson 1170
Herndon 1167
Fairfax 1155
West Springfield 1155
South Lakes 1152
Westfield 1141
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1113
South County 1105
Edison 1104
Justice 1103
West Potomac 1189
Hayfield 1088
Falls Church 1045
NATIONAL AVERAGE 1028
Annandale 1014
Lewis 1005
Mount Vernon 977

Over the past six years, the average SAT scores in FCPS have dropped more than have the average scores for either Virginia or the nation as a whole.

Surprised McLean was ahead of Langley. Would have expected the wealthiest school in FCPS to have the highest scores.

They switch places every so often but are pretty consistently top 2.
That’s why when out of towners ask which they should choose when moving in, we tell them to consider their commute, the condition of the buildings, and which house on the market is their favorite rather than worry about the “best” school.

Not just their commute to work, but also the commute their kids might have to school.

[Anonymous]

I bet TJ drops by 100 and the top few behind TJ jump by 20-30, for 2024.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I bet TJ drops by 100 and the top few behind TJ jump by 20-30, for 2024.

Class of 2025 is the first TJ class admitted under the new system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even when gone. Brabrand’s incompetence has had lasting effects. Compared to a decade ago 9 schools now vs 6 schools then are below the state average. A decade ago, the average FCPS student did 95 points better than the state average standardized to a 1600 scale compared to the average FCPS student only doing 68 points better state average. Every school district had to deal with the pandemic, etc, but Brabrand made things much worse than his peer superintendents.

School 2010 Totals
TJHSST 2200
Langley 1812
McLean 1778
Woodson 1738
Madison 1734
Oakton 1729
Marshall 1690
Robinson 1665
FCPS 1664
Chantilly 1663
West Springfield 1644
Herndon 1642
Lake Braddock 1639
Fairfax 1635
Westfield 1625
Centreville 1596
South Lakes 1578
South County 1572
West Potomac 1561
Stuart 1532
VIRGINIA 1521
Annandale 1518
Edison 1512
NATION 1509
Falls Church 1505
Lee 1504
Hayfield 1475
Mount Vernon 1458

Not sure that your conclusion is correct. A decade ago, there were far fewer ESOL/immigrant/FARM students in FCPS. Which factor had a more significant impact -- a change in the demographics over the course of a decade? Or a superintendent who was here for a few years?

The former is a known contributor to lower scores. The latter is just your accusation.

Sure you can say that. But almost every other county in the commonwealth has gotten more Hispanic, and Poorer, in this timeframe. No? There still needs to be some responsibility.

Can you post the SAT scores for white students 10 yrs ago? I know they used to have these on their website. Then we can compare it to this year. That's an apples-to-apples comparison. If there really was a decrease due to a "Brabrand effect", it would show up in the group that IS NOT affected by language/immigration trauma/increasing-poverty.

DP - the FCTA has reports from 2017 to 2023, not a decade ago.

2017 was the year Brabrand was hired. White kids scored 1221 on average that year. They scored 1204 last year. Scores went up before they went down as the reports show shows the following trend in the average scores for White kids:

2017: 1221
2018: 1238
2019: 1242
2020: 1235
2021: 1220
2022: 1209
2023: 1204

Scores for every other racial cohort also declined over that period, although by varying amounts (lesser declines among Asian and Black students and a greater decline among Hispanic students).

However, even with that information, your treatment of White students as a proxy for students not affected by "language/immigration trauma/increasing-poverty" may not be accurate, as the "White" cohort could include students fleeing countries like Afghanistan.

So they went up and then, pandemic.

+1. My DD (former Langley student) only took the SAT once and got a 1380. She opted not to take it again because she knew she would go TO since she believed many of her peers would have ad higher scores. Many students felt the same way, so it makes sense for the average SAT score to be lower than before the pandemic. I think as more colleges get rid of TO, we are going to see SAT scores go up again. As for the AP scores, she got 4s and 5s, but if the overall Langley average was lower, it's possible her peers prepped more for the SAT than for APs.