Taking NVCC class this summer -- to "dual enroll" or not? Pros and cons?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, GMU offers dual enrollment courses. They might have better instruction. Check ratemyprofessor.com before signing on. NVCC uses some terrible adjuncts.

Thanks. Already tried GMU. Their summer classes start too early. Only one section of College Chem 1. And it starts in early May. Not possible. I actually suggested a class that involves humanities gen ed type of requirements. DC would rather take Chem than Greek mythology, or work at Chik FilA or RecPac or whatever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rising junior will take Chem 111 class at NVCC this summer. DC has the option to check the box for "dual enrollment" or "college credit only."

What are the pros/cons of checking either box? DC plans to take AP Phys 1 as a junior, and probably AP Phys C as a senior -- but that could always change.

What school system are you in and has your kid already taken Physics honors? My son was told he have to take physics over the summer in order to do Ap physics. However he has a full time 40hr work week internship at a tech company this summer which will be more valuable, so AP physics is out for next year in favor of Honors.

I will tell you as a parent that has a kid who is taking DE Chem right now through NVCC, but at his school is absolutely is a weed out class. Only 60% of the class remains standing. Maybe the summer class is a joke and won’t be hard, but the regular class has been brutal.

Best advice my kid had gotten from his counselor is that with the current admissions climate if you don’t think you’ll get an A in an AP/ DE class, don’t take the class.

Thank you. I appreciate the experience from someone who is actually taking Chem at NVCC.

I don't need to talk to DC's counselor b/c I already have. She hasn't advised for or against it. Just saying one will be on the HS transcript and the other will not. DC will take AP Phys 1 as a junior. And likely take AP Phys C as a senior.

The NVCC professor for this Chem class gets very mixed reviews on Ratemyprofessor. So, that worries me a bit. DC is doing well in Hon. Chem now (FCPS). So, we *think* he'll do ok in CHEM 111 (college chem) at NVCC -- but if you have a flakey prof. who confuses things or is hostile/crabby during labs -- that could send things into a nosedive quickly. It would be much more convenient to have all classes on one (FREE) HS transcript -- but if the course is brutal b/c of the teacher, then having a less than good grade on the HS transcript isn't a plus.

To all: Please keep giving me your thoughts and experience.

My son took college classes during HS (not DE) and found them easier than his AP course in HS. Just fyi.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rising junior will take Chem 111 class at NVCC this summer. DC has the option to check the box for "dual enrollment" or "college credit only."

What are the pros/cons of checking either box? DC plans to take AP Phys 1 as a junior, and probably AP Phys C as a senior -- but that could always change.

What school system are you in and has your kid already taken Physics honors? My son was told he have to take physics over the summer in order to do Ap physics. However he has a full time 40hr work week internship at a tech company this summer which will be more valuable, so AP physics is out for next year in favor of Honors.

I will tell you as a parent that has a kid who is taking DE Chem right now through NVCC, but at his school is absolutely is a weed out class. Only 60% of the class remains standing. Maybe the summer class is a joke and won’t be hard, but the regular class has been brutal.

Best advice my kid had gotten from his counselor is that with the current admissions climate if you don’t think you’ll get an A in an AP/ DE class, don’t take the class.

Thank you. I appreciate the experience from someone who is actually taking Chem at NVCC.

I don't need to talk to DC's counselor b/c I already have. She hasn't advised for or against it. Just saying one will be on the HS transcript and the other will not. DC will take AP Phys 1 as a junior. And likely take AP Phys C as a senior.

The NVCC professor for this Chem class gets very mixed reviews on Ratemyprofessor. So, that worries me a bit. DC is doing well in Hon. Chem now (FCPS). So, we *think* he'll do ok in CHEM 111 (college chem) at NVCC -- but if you have a flakey prof. who confuses things or is hostile/crabby during labs -- that could send things into a nosedive quickly. It would be much more convenient to have all classes on one (FREE) HS transcript -- but if the course is brutal b/c of the teacher, then having a less than good grade on the HS transcript isn't a plus.

To all: Please keep giving me your thoughts and experience.

The grade will be seen by colleges regardless. Colleges know if a transcript is missing even if a student didn't list it on their app.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rising junior will take Chem 111 class at NVCC this summer. DC has the option to check the box for "dual enrollment" or "college credit only."

What are the pros/cons of checking either box? DC plans to take AP Phys 1 as a junior, and probably AP Phys C as a senior -- but that could always change.

What school system are you in and has your kid already taken Physics honors? My son was told he have to take physics over the summer in order to do Ap physics. However he has a full time 40hr work week internship at a tech company this summer which will be more valuable, so AP physics is out for next year in favor of Honors.

I will tell you as a parent that has a kid who is taking DE Chem right now through NVCC, but at his school is absolutely is a weed out class. Only 60% of the class remains standing. Maybe the summer class is a joke and won’t be hard, but the regular class has been brutal.

Best advice my kid had gotten from his counselor is that with the current admissions climate if you don’t think you’ll get an A in an AP/ DE class, don’t take the class.

Thank you. I appreciate the experience from someone who is actually taking Chem at NVCC.

I don't need to talk to DC's counselor b/c I already have. She hasn't advised for or against it. Just saying one will be on the HS transcript and the other will not. DC will take AP Phys 1 as a junior. And likely take AP Phys C as a senior.

The NVCC professor for this Chem class gets very mixed reviews on Ratemyprofessor. So, that worries me a bit. DC is doing well in Hon. Chem now (FCPS). So, we *think* he'll do ok in CHEM 111 (college chem) at NVCC -- but if you have a flakey prof. who confuses things or is hostile/crabby during labs -- that could send things into a nosedive quickly. It would be much more convenient to have all classes on one (FREE) HS transcript -- but if the course is brutal b/c of the teacher, then having a less than good grade on the HS transcript isn't a plus.

To all: Please keep giving me your thoughts and experience.

The grade will be seen by colleges regardless. Colleges know if a transcript is missing even if a student didn't list it on their app.

How would a college know if you don't have it on your HS transcript?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The grade will be seen by colleges regardless. Colleges know if a transcript is missing even if a student didn't list it on their app.

The colleges won't know about the NVCC class if the student doesn't send the transcript. How would they? Just don't list the class anyplace.

That said, if your child ends up wanting to take other classes at NVCC later that class will still be on the transcript, so if he's not pulling a passing grade, make sure to withdraw in time.

[Anonymous]

Some college programs won’t offer transfer credit if the course was fulfilling a HS graduation requirement. I think that’s the only distinction, but may as well check with the HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The grade will be seen by colleges regardless. Colleges know if a transcript is missing even if a student didn't list it on their app.

The colleges won't know about the NVCC class if the student doesn't send the transcript. How would they? Just don't list the class anyplace.

That said, if your child ends up wanting to take other classes at NVCC later that class will still be on the transcript, so if he's not pulling a passing grade, make sure to withdraw in time.

National student databases that colleges have access to in order to ensure students are being forthcoming about past college grades

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, GMU offers dual enrollment courses. They might have better instruction. Check ratemyprofessor.com before signing on. NVCC uses some terrible adjuncts.

Thanks. Already tried GMU. Their summer classes start too early. Only one section of College Chem 1. And it starts in early May. Not possible. I actually suggested a class that involves humanities gen ed type of requirements. DC would rather take Chem than Greek mythology, or work at Chik FilA or RecPac or whatever.

Sorry about that. My DD was a full-time GMu students. We looked into the summer program for a sibling because it was such a positive experience for her. I attended some of her summer classes with her (special needs).

Another DC did exactly what your son wants to do but pulled a dreadful professor at NVCC. Truly dreadful. She was teaching three different chem courses at three different NVCCs at the same time and simply did not care enough to try and teach. She had no idea what she was teaching. She kept cancelling labs (because she was teaching elsewhere). All the students were confused. We ended up hiring our DC's private school's chem teacher as a tutor because the NVCC prof didn't even care enough to properly mark tests - and the private chem teacher showed DC where the prof was wrong. And DC went back in and challenged the grading - over and over. It was a disaster but DC pulled through because he wanted to - and ended up with an A - but he had to fight for it. Ever since then I've thought twice about advising other parents to do the NVCC guaranteed transfer program. Anyhow, two weeks in we read the "Ratemyprofessor" and it exactly reflected our experience. I wish at that time we had done the GMU program. good luck. Drive to another NVCC to get a prof with a good RateMyProfessor rating. It was a miserable experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The grade will be seen by colleges regardless. Colleges know if a transcript is missing even if a student didn't list it on their app.

The colleges won't know about the NVCC class if the student doesn't send the transcript. How would they? Just don't list the class anyplace.

That said, if your child ends up wanting to take other classes at NVCC later that class will still be on the transcript, so if he's not pulling a passing grade, make sure to withdraw in time.

That's something that if you lie about it on admissions, and you're found out, you can be kicked out. Colleges take hiding college courses very seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The grade will be seen by colleges regardless. Colleges know if a transcript is missing even if a student didn't list it on their app.

The colleges won't know about the NVCC class if the student doesn't send the transcript. How would they? Just don't list the class anyplace.

That said, if your child ends up wanting to take other classes at NVCC later that class will still be on the transcript, so if he's not pulling a passing grade, make sure to withdraw in time.

That's something that if you lie about it on admissions, and you're found out, you can be kicked out. Colleges take hiding college courses very seriously.

Exactly. Honor Code violations are beyond serious and once found guilty, there is absolutely no getting out of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, GMU offers dual enrollment courses. They might have better instruction. Check ratemyprofessor.com before signing on. NVCC uses some terrible adjuncts.

Thanks. Already tried GMU. Their summer classes start too early. Only one section of College Chem 1. And it starts in early May. Not possible. I actually suggested a class that involves humanities gen ed type of requirements. DC would rather take Chem than Greek mythology, or work at Chik FilA or RecPac or whatever.

Sorry about that. My DD was a full-time GMu students. We looked into the summer program for a sibling because it was such a positive experience for her. I attended some of her summer classes with her (special needs).

Another DC did exactly what your son wants to do but pulled a dreadful professor at NVCC. Truly dreadful. She was teaching three different chem courses at three different NVCCs at the same time and simply did not care enough to try and teach. She had no idea what she was teaching. She kept cancelling labs (because she was teaching elsewhere). All the students were confused. We ended up hiring our DC's private school's chem teacher as a tutor because the NVCC prof didn't even care enough to properly mark tests - and the private chem teacher showed DC where the prof was wrong. And DC went back in and challenged the grading - over and over. It was a disaster but DC pulled through because he wanted to - and ended up with an A - but he had to fight for it. Ever since then I've thought twice about advising other parents to do the NVCC guaranteed transfer program. Anyhow, two weeks in we read the "Ratemyprofessor" and it exactly reflected our experience. I wish at that time we had done the GMU program. good luck. Drive to another NVCC to get a prof with a good RateMyProfessor rating. It was a miserable experience.

And what was this "dreadful professor" earning collectively for the "three different chem courses at three different NVCCs at the same time"? I can imagine that it was a nightmare scenario for the professor, as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rising junior will take Chem 111 class at NVCC this summer. DC has the option to check the box for "dual enrollment" or "college credit only."

What are the pros/cons of checking either box? DC plans to take AP Phys 1 as a junior, and probably AP Phys C as a senior -- but that could always change.

It depends on the school, but my DC was able to exceed their university’s limit on credits from APs by also transferring credits they received from GMU for their senior year math classes. So, credits from a college and credits from APs may have different limits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, GMU offers dual enrollment courses. They might have better instruction. Check ratemyprofessor.com before signing on. NVCC uses some terrible adjuncts.

Thanks. Already tried GMU. Their summer classes start too early. Only one section of College Chem 1. And it starts in early May. Not possible. I actually suggested a class that involves humanities gen ed type of requirements. DC would rather take Chem than Greek mythology, or work at Chik FilA or RecPac or whatever.

Sorry about that. My DD was a full-time GMu students. We looked into the summer program for a sibling because it was such a positive experience for her. I attended some of her summer classes with her (special needs).

Another DC did exactly what your son wants to do but pulled a dreadful professor at NVCC. Truly dreadful. She was teaching three different chem courses at three different NVCCs at the same time and simply did not care enough to try and teach. She had no idea what she was teaching. She kept cancelling labs (because she was teaching elsewhere). All the students were confused. We ended up hiring our DC's private school's chem teacher as a tutor because the NVCC prof didn't even care enough to properly mark tests - and the private chem teacher showed DC where the prof was wrong. And DC went back in and challenged the grading - over and over. It was a disaster but DC pulled through because he wanted to - and ended up with an A - but he had to fight for it. Ever since then I've thought twice about advising other parents to do the NVCC guaranteed transfer program. Anyhow, two weeks in we read the "Ratemyprofessor" and it exactly reflected our experience. I wish at that time we had done the GMU program. good luck. Drive to another NVCC to get a prof with a good RateMyProfessor rating. It was a miserable experience.

OP here. Do you happen to remember the name of the prof? Did the last name start with "Mo"? (First name starts with "F")?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, GMU offers dual enrollment courses. They might have better instruction. Check ratemyprofessor.com before signing on. NVCC uses some terrible adjuncts.

Thanks. Already tried GMU. Their summer classes start too early. Only one section of College Chem 1. And it starts in early May. Not possible. I actually suggested a class that involves humanities gen ed type of requirements. DC would rather take Chem than Greek mythology, or work at Chik FilA or RecPac or whatever.

Sorry about that. My DD was a full-time GMu students. We looked into the summer program for a sibling because it was such a positive experience for her. I attended some of her summer classes with her (special needs).

Another DC did exactly what your son wants to do but pulled a dreadful professor at NVCC. Truly dreadful. She was teaching three different chem courses at three different NVCCs at the same time and simply did not care enough to try and teach. She had no idea what she was teaching. She kept cancelling labs (because she was teaching elsewhere). All the students were confused. We ended up hiring our DC's private school's chem teacher as a tutor because the NVCC prof didn't even care enough to properly mark tests - and the private chem teacher showed DC where the prof was wrong. And DC went back in and challenged the grading - over and over. It was a disaster but DC pulled through because he wanted to - and ended up with an A - but he had to fight for it. Ever since then I've thought twice about advising other parents to do the NVCC guaranteed transfer program. Anyhow, two weeks in we read the "Ratemyprofessor" and it exactly reflected our experience. I wish at that time we had done the GMU program. good luck. Drive to another NVCC to get a prof with a good RateMyProfessor rating. It was a miserable experience.

And what was this "dreadful professor" earning collectively for the "three different chem courses at three different NVCCs at the same time"? I can imagine that it was a nightmare scenario for the professor, as well.

Irrelevant when you are the purchasing student and could have enrolled in a better course with a better instructor at NVcc or dual enrollment in GMU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, GMU offers dual enrollment courses. They might have better instruction. Check ratemyprofessor.com before signing on. NVCC uses some terrible adjuncts.

Thanks. Already tried GMU. Their summer classes start too early. Only one section of College Chem 1. And it starts in early May. Not possible. I actually suggested a class that involves humanities gen ed type of requirements. DC would rather take Chem than Greek mythology, or work at Chik FilA or RecPac or whatever.

Sorry about that. My DD was a full-time GMu students. We looked into the summer program for a sibling because it was such a positive experience for her. I attended some of her summer classes with her (special needs).

Another DC did exactly what your son wants to do but pulled a dreadful professor at NVCC. Truly dreadful. She was teaching three different chem courses at three different NVCCs at the same time and simply did not care enough to try and teach. She had no idea what she was teaching. She kept cancelling labs (because she was teaching elsewhere). All the students were confused. We ended up hiring our DC's private school's chem teacher as a tutor because the NVCC prof didn't even care enough to properly mark tests - and the private chem teacher showed DC where the prof was wrong. And DC went back in and challenged the grading - over and over. It was a disaster but DC pulled through because he wanted to - and ended up with an A - but he had to fight for it. Ever since then I've thought twice about advising other parents to do the NVCC guaranteed transfer program. Anyhow, two weeks in we read the "Ratemyprofessor" and it exactly reflected our experience. I wish at that time we had done the GMU program. good luck. Drive to another NVCC to get a prof with a good RateMyProfessor rating. It was a miserable experience.

OP here. Do you happen to remember the name of the prof? Did the last name start with "Mo"? (First name starts with "F")?

I don't remember but I'll email DC.