Elementary school AAP overcrowded/to max limit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else notice that the ES AAP classes are very crowded and at number limits more so this year? Seeing text and WhatsApp threads it’s a ton of kids all designated to one AAP class for multiple classes. Wondering how 28+ kids in lower grades and 32+ kids in higher grades is feasible for teachers.

My DS's class was only 19 last year and the other DS's was 22. They're all at a center.

[Anonymous]

Center here with 26 each in two AAP classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with staffing formula is it his holistic grades 1-6. Then the principal decides where to allocate teachers. So you can have 60 kids in one grade and 80 is another with 3 teachers each. The staffing formula needs to be switched to grade level.

I have seen mixing grades in one class help with evening out the classroom sizes. It can work well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with staffing formula is it his holistic grades 1-6. Then the principal decides where to allocate teachers. So you can have 60 kids in one grade and 80 is another with 3 teachers each. The staffing formula needs to be switched to grade level.

I have seen mixing grades in one class help with evening out the classroom sizes. It can work well.

Split-level classes rarely work well. One group always gets the short end of the stick, and the teacher has double the preps. Better resolution is to reallocate staff based on student numbers. Our ES does this. DC's kindergarten year had 3 classes, the next year there were two. This has rippled up as they've progressed through grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with staffing formula is it his holistic grades 1-6. Then the principal decides where to allocate teachers. So you can have 60 kids in one grade and 80 is another with 3 teachers each. The staffing formula needs to be switched to grade level.

I have seen mixing grades in one class help with evening out the classroom sizes. It can work well.

Split-level classes rarely work well. One group always gets the short end of the stick, and the teacher has double the preps. Better resolution is to reallocate staff based on student numbers. Our ES does this. DC's kindergarten year had 3 classes, the next year there were two. This has rippled up as they've progressed through grades.

I guess we have been lucky. I had split classes from 1st through 6th. It was fine. My kids had them a few times and it worked well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with staffing formula is it his holistic grades 1-6. Then the principal decides where to allocate teachers. So you can have 60 kids in one grade and 80 is another with 3 teachers each. The staffing formula needs to be switched to grade level.

Principals turn in a class size report every week beginning at the end of July. Numbers for each grade level class are included to address this very issue, and schools can and do get allotted more staffing. Of course, things are different in a year like this one where class size caps are stretched.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with staffing formula is it his holistic grades 1-6. Then the principal decides where to allocate teachers. So you can have 60 kids in one grade and 80 is another with 3 teachers each. The staffing formula needs to be switched to grade level.

Principals turn in a class size report every week beginning at the end of July. Numbers for each grade level class are included to address this very issue, and schools can and do get allotted more staffing. Of course, things are different in a year like this one where class size caps are stretched.

All I know is my grade levels class sizes are in high 20’s while many staff gave 18-20.

[Anonymous]

We saw 32 kids in my daughter's class. I feel bad for the teacher and students

[Anonymous]

At our center center our numbers have dropped dramatically over the last 5 years due to the opening of more centers and also local level IV programs at our feeders. We’ve gone from 4 level IV classes on a grade level to 3 to 2, and now 3rd and 4th grades have just one big class each. 5th and 6th are much smaller because the total is over the cap for one teacher. I don’t know how you fix this other than split-grade classes, which require s ton of extra work for the teacher.

If we were a local level IV we could msybe principal place a few kids from Gen Ed, have an additional level IV teacher, and even out the numbers but the center model doesn’t allow that.

[Anonymous]

20 students per class at our center.

[Anonymous]

22/23 each at center.

[Anonymous]

My son’s local level IV 5th grade class is at 25 kids with the gen ed class around 20.
When my eldest child was in 5th, the AAP class was at 30, with gen ed at 17.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son’s local level IV 5th grade class is at 25 kids with the gen ed class around 20.
When my eldest child was in 5th, the AAP class was at 30, with gen ed at 17.

This is why we moved to the center school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son’s local level IV 5th grade class is at 25 kids with the gen ed class around 20.
When my eldest child was in 5th, the AAP class was at 30, with gen ed at 17.

I think this is why some schools are moving to the cluster model - this way you have 15 LLIV and 5-8 LIII in two high-performing classes.

[Anonymous]

Only 21 kids in my son's center classroom.