FCPS HS Boundary

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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?

McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.

Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.

Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.

DP. Yes, Langley has some extra capacity right now, but it also has two large subdivisions being built within its boundary. No doubt that extra capacity will be used up very shortly.

Interesting. Does no one see this as a threat to Forestville?

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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?

McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.

Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.

Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.

DP. Yes, Langley has some extra capacity right now, but it also has two large subdivisions being built within its boundary. No doubt that extra capacity will be used up very shortly.

Interesting. Does no one see this as a threat to Forestville?

DP. I do. Most Forestville parents I talk to about this are in denial at the moment, but it’s going to get very real very quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The main reason boundaries have been and forever will be moved is due to overcrowding.

There is growth in the Tysons area that will cause boundary changes. The schools closest (Langley, McLean, Marshall, and Madison) will take the large brunt of it. Schools that abut them will need to pick up some neighborhoods. The most likely neighborhoods to move out of those four are the neighborhoods in Langley that are closer to Herndon and the neighborhoods in McLean that are closer to Falls Church. No communism, just practical planning.

Why are you pinning the School Board's apparent desire (inferred from the statements of School Board members like McDaniel and Lady) to move Langley kids to Herndon on these four schools? The five-year projections in the latest CIP have McLean at 104% (w/modular), Marshall at 101% (w/modular), Langley at 98% (no modular), and Madison at 89% (no modular) in 2028. There is no group of any size at any of these schools asking to be redistricted, and many who would actively oppose it. [i]

Currently, Tysons feeds entirely to Marshall (55-60% of Tysons) and McLean (35-40% of Tysons). If they start moving kids out of Marshall and McLean, what is their plan? Do they just move single-family neighborhoods in Vienna out of Marshall to Madison and single-family neighborhoods in McLean out of McLean to Langley? If so, that approach - turning Marshall into Tysons South HS and McLean into Tysons North HS - is the same approach that has led over time to the concentration of poverty at schools like Annandale. To be clear, there isn't the same concentration of poverty in Tysons now as there is in Annandale, but they ought to be very careful about how they approach this.

And if this "practical planning" is really just an equity-driven agenda by another name, it's not even likely to be very successful at that. Look at the numbers and this should be obvious.

constituents rarely ask to be redistricted, that is why they are almost always unpopular.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The main reason boundaries have been and forever will be moved is due to overcrowding.

There is growth in the Tysons area that will cause boundary changes. The schools closest (Langley, McLean, Marshall, and Madison) will take the large brunt of it. Schools that abut them will need to pick up some neighborhoods. The most likely neighborhoods to move out of those four are the neighborhoods in Langley that are closer to Herndon and the neighborhoods in McLean that are closer to Falls Church. No communism, just practical planning.

Why are you pinning the School Board's apparent desire (inferred from the statements of School Board members like McDaniel and Lady) to move Langley kids to Herndon on these four schools? The five-year projections in the latest CIP have McLean at 104% (w/modular), Marshall at 101% (w/modular), Langley at 98% (no modular), and Madison at 89% (no modular) in 2028. There is no group of any size at any of these schools asking to be redistricted, and many who would actively oppose it. [i]

Currently, Tysons feeds entirely to Marshall (55-60% of Tysons) and McLean (35-40% of Tysons). If they start moving kids out of Marshall and McLean, what is their plan? Do they just move single-family neighborhoods in Vienna out of Marshall to Madison and single-family neighborhoods in McLean out of McLean to Langley? If so, that approach - turning Marshall into Tysons South HS and McLean into Tysons North HS - is the same approach that has led over time to the concentration of poverty at schools like Annandale. To be clear, there isn't the same concentration of poverty in Tysons now as there is in Annandale, but they ought to be very careful about how they approach this.

And if this "practical planning" is really just an equity-driven agenda by another name, it's not even likely to be very successful at that. Look at the numbers and this should be obvious.

constituents rarely ask to be redistricted, that is why they are almost always unpopular.

The situations vary. Sometimes you have people at a school asking for redistricting either because they want to be moved to another school or because they are comfortable they won't be the ones redistricted. That isn't happening at these four high schools, at least in any significant numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s important that all pyramids balance the number of kids that are economically disadvantaged. Let’s say, 20-25%? We should adjust the boundaries to match these stats.

Doesn’t have to be overnight, but start phasing in low income neighborhoods on edges or high income neighborhoods on edges.

what would you do with the other 10% of students? According to FCPS website, 33.4% of students received free or reduced price lunches?

The only solution is long term, but it involves stopping the importation of poverty. The number didn't rise to 33.4% without lack of enforcement of immigration law. I don't blame these people for coming to the U.S., but it burdens on our country, state, and county. And it is acutely felt by some pyramids.

Stop voting for politicians at all levels who have no interest in enforcing current immigration law - specifically illegal entry.

Some of you would continue the current lack of enforcement while at the same time arguing to keep these poor students out of your pyramids or more accurately, keeping them in certain pyramids. Please stop doing this.

Agree. There are a ton of Democratic constituents in the area who are generally supportive of public schools but who stop short of the extreme positions of the current school board and a handful of posters on this discussion board. It’s unfortunate, but the solution is to not vote for democrats anymore (at least at the local level).

That feels weird to say as someone who always voted for democratic candidates and who detests TFG, but this school board and the Redistricting agenda is just too radical for me.

Equity is great until there are too many poor brown kids at your child’s school lol.

[Anonymous]

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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?

McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.

Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.

Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.

DP. Yes, Langley has some extra capacity right now, but it also has two large subdivisions being built within its boundary. No doubt that extra capacity will be used up very shortly.

Interesting. Does no one see this as a threat to Forestville?

No?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?

McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.

Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.

Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.

DP. Yes, Langley has some extra capacity right now, but it also has two large subdivisions being built within its boundary. No doubt that extra capacity will be used up very shortly.

Interesting. Does no one see this as a threat to Forestville?

DP. I do. Most Forestville parents I talk to about this are in denial at the moment, but it’s going to get very real very quickly.

Sure, whatever you say.

[Anonymous]

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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?

McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.

Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

DP. Your self-interest and disregard for other kids is so so gross. All that is wrong in our county.

DP. Good grief, Langley parents acted like the McLean families rezoned there in 2021 (in some cases, against their wishes) should have kissed their feet for the opportunity to attend Langley. But if, for whatever reason, part of Langley gets moved to Herndon, it’s going to be a crime against humanity and “all that is wrong in our county”? No wonder the Herndon parents don’t want you at their school, if that’s your attitude.

Another DP. Langley parents were reacting to the bad behavior of some McLean parents, who acted like it was the end of the world that some McLean families would be rezoned to Langley. Very off-putting behavior.

With every redistricting, some parents are fine with it and others opposed. But let’s not kid ourselves, you’d fully support the Langley parents who’d act 10X more aggrieved if they were reassigned to Herndon.

Yes, I would. Would you want your kids moving to Herndon?

DP. I think everyone is in agreement against the ill-advised county redistricting here. I think you both are advocating against it.

PP here. Actually, pretty sure the PPP is the one insisting Forestville move to Herndon even though her kids go to McLean. She clearly won’t admit how angry she’d be if her kids were rezoned to Falls Church. More than a little hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s important that all pyramids balance the number of kids that are economically disadvantaged. Let’s say, 20-25%? We should adjust the boundaries to match these stats.

Doesn’t have to be overnight, but start phasing in low income neighborhoods on edges or high income neighborhoods on edges.

what would you do with the other 10% of students? According to FCPS website, 33.4% of students received free or reduced price lunches?

Well it wouldn’t be perfect, some would have more, but it’s a reasonable goal to start with.

They’d destroy the county in an attempt to meet your “reasonable goal.” Communism works in theory.

Someone should have taken an economics course in college.

Don’t be so dramatic. It wouldn’t happen overnight. Current freshman , maybe even middle schoolers, would finish their time at the current high school. It’s would be so enriching for the residents of this county to share a high school experience with many who are not like them.

Yeah, why be dramatic about petty things like my kids’ education. (Eye roll). We don’t subscribe to your SJW platform. And I don’t want your extreme agenda imposed on my kids.

If you care so much about an “enriching” experience, you seriously should bring your kids to a third world country. Nothing more enriching than that for them. If you don’t, then you’re nothing but a big old hypocrite.

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PP’s own kids could easily benefit from an “enriching” experience by pupil placing them at say, Herndon, Lewis, Mt. Vernon, etc. I wonder why she hasn’t done that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s important that all pyramids balance the number of kids that are economically disadvantaged. Let’s say, 20-25%? We should adjust the boundaries to match these stats.

Doesn’t have to be overnight, but start phasing in low income neighborhoods on edges or high income neighborhoods on edges.

what would you do with the other 10% of students? According to FCPS website, 33.4% of students received free or reduced price lunches?

The only solution is long term, but it involves stopping the importation of poverty. The number didn't rise to 33.4% without lack of enforcement of immigration law. I don't blame these people for coming to the U.S., but it burdens on our country, state, and county. And it is acutely felt by some pyramids.

Stop voting for politicians at all levels who have no interest in enforcing current immigration law - specifically illegal entry.

Some of you would continue the current lack of enforcement while at the same time arguing to keep these poor students out of your pyramids or more accurately, keeping them in certain pyramids. Please stop doing this.

Agree. There are a ton of Democratic constituents in the area who are generally supportive of public schools but who stop short of the extreme positions of the current school board and a handful of posters on this discussion board. It’s unfortunate, but the solution is to not vote for democrats anymore (at least at the local level).

That feels weird to say as someone who always voted for democratic candidates and who detests TFG, but this school board and the Redistricting agenda is just too radical for me.

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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?

McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.

Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.

Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.

DP. Yes, Langley has some extra capacity right now, but it also has two large subdivisions being built within its boundary. No doubt that extra capacity will be used up very shortly.

Interesting. Does no one see this as a threat to Forestville?

DP. I do. Most Forestville parents I talk to about this are in denial at the moment, but it’s going to get very real very quickly.

Sure, whatever you say.

Out for a good Sunday troll, are you? You honestly don’t think that parents are just going to sit by as their kids get redistricted from a top performing school to a lower performing one. McDaniel and Lady are pushing for this over the clear objection of their constituents, and even they know there will be massive pushback on this.

Try to minimize it all you want, but you’ll see the uproar when the staff makes its recommendation to the board moving students from good to bad schools. It’ll probably be too late to stop at that point, but the county and the democrats in Fairfax county are going to take massive hits on this.

[Anonymous]

How about we just repurpose some park land and build a new Western high school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about we just repurpose some park land and build a new Western high school?

Seriously, I have a plan for this. Scrap the Crossfield renovation and build a high school inside that park, and use some of the land in front of Carson to build a new elementary school. It's probably closer to some of the neighborhoods zoned to Crossfield than actual Crossfield is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s important that all pyramids balance the number of kids that are economically disadvantaged. Let’s say, 20-25%? We should adjust the boundaries to match these stats.

Doesn’t have to be overnight, but start phasing in low income neighborhoods on edges or high income neighborhoods on edges.

Only an out of touch rich lerson would suggest this.

Kids, rich or poor, are not pawns for your political ideals.

Bussing the poor kids around the county is a ridiculous suggestion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Before any rezoning ovvurs, two critical things should occur:

#1. All students attending a school affected by rezoning should be required to supply a proff of residency in the form of a recent utility bill in one of their parent's name.

If they cannot produce a current utility bill proving they are attending the correct school for their address, then they need to be moved out of the school the following year, back to their zoned school, and removed from the capacity counts. I suspect that there are dozens or more families that fall into this category, falsely inflating the capacity numbers.

#2 All loopholes allowing students to transfer out of receiving schools, such as Lewis where over 12% of the students transfer away to other high schools.

Once the transfer out loopholes are closed, FCPS needs to wait 2 full academic years to see if this increases enrollment and test scores at the school, or if those roughly 200 students find a different way to avoid attending Lewis.

If Lewis attendance shows no notable increase in Lewis students attending their zoned high school, then FCPS needs to halt rezoning and look at other solutions for Lewis, that do no involve rezoning kids from WSHS to fill spots that Lewis zoned students refuse to fill.

Rezoning into any school that is pupil placing OUT hundreds of students is short sighted and a terrible waste of taxpayer money, not to mention a huge disruption to students lives, and an attack on families that purchased their home based on a specific high school zone.

Kids are not political pawns.

Enforce existing district residency rules.

Look at the student actually zoned for the schools who are not attending, and fix those deficiencies.

The solution is simple.

DP. I agree with you in theory but what if a pyramid has a significant number of homeless or undocumented students whose parents are not on a lease or have a utility bill (many have these but some don’t).

We are at one of the overcrowded high schools.

The kids using someone else's address are not this group of poor kids that you speak.

Theu are wealthy, upper middle class families living in big houses in other zones, using grandma's address in our high school zone.

Anyone with kids attending our overcrowded, high performing high school has at least one utility bill, lease, or mortgage statement in a parent's name, even if thwt means the utility bill is for a different school zone.

Your argument is a non argument.