Is the future of higher ed in the South?

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Anonymous wrote:I want each of you posters arguing that the south is the accepting land of opportunity for Jews to read a f#%^n history book and while you’re at it, ask some actual Jewish people if they’re thinking of moving to the Deep South (NOT south Florida) anytime soon to escape antisemitism. This is the most bizarre argument I’ve seen lately on DCUM and that’s really saying something…

At exactly how many southern universities do you see Palestinian flags waving and being erected on school buildings, Jewish students being bullied and/or assaulted, etc? Jewish students and families are welcomed in the south.

Like I said: read a history book. You think because (most) southerners aren’t waving Palestinian flags that means that southerners support Jews? Are you really that simple-minded and ignorant of history and politics in the south?

It is now 2024. You need to come visit with people at the Temple in Atlanta and with the many Jewish families who live in the Atlanta area and other southern cities. Visit chools with large numbers of Jewish students like U of FL, Emory, and Tulane.

The irony of PP's post is thick.

How so? I am so tired of people pretending history and politics don’t matter. I’m glad things are getting better at many universities in the south and sure, UF, Tulane, and Emory are notable exceptions to backward thinking but unfortunately that doesn’t erase a rich history of racism, bigotry, and intolerance that permeates throughout the south.

+1 million

VA is bad enough, definitely don't want to head further south.

Then stick close to Columbia with its forward thinking, welcoming atmosphere.

My kid would love to go there.

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Anonymous wrote:I want each of you posters arguing that the south is the accepting land of opportunity for Jews to read a f#%^n history book and while you’re at it, ask some actual Jewish people if they’re thinking of moving to the Deep South (NOT south Florida) anytime soon to escape antisemitism. This is the most bizarre argument I’ve seen lately on DCUM and that’s really saying something…

At exactly how many southern universities do you see Palestinian flags waving and being erected on school buildings, Jewish students being bullied and/or assaulted, etc? Jewish students and families are welcomed in the south.

Like I said: read a history book. You think because (most) southerners aren’t waving Palestinian flags that means that southerners support Jews? Are you really that simple-minded and ignorant of history and politics in the south?

It is now 2024. You need to come visit with people at the Temple in Atlanta and with the many Jewish families who live in the Atlanta area and other southern cities. Visit chools with large numbers of Jewish students like U of FL, Emory, and Tulane.

The irony of PP's post is thick.

How so? I am so tired of people pretending history and politics don’t matter. I’m glad things are getting better at many universities in the south and sure, UF, Tulane, and Emory are notable exceptions to backward thinking but unfortunately that doesn’t erase a rich history of racism, bigotry, and intolerance that permeates throughout the south.

+1 million

VA is bad enough, definitely don't want to head further south.

Then stick close to Columbia with its forward thinking, welcoming atmosphere.

My kid would love to go there.

I get it. Excellent choice!

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Anonymous wrote:I want each of you posters arguing that the south is the accepting land of opportunity for Jews to read a f#%^n history book and while you’re at it, ask some actual Jewish people if they’re thinking of moving to the Deep South (NOT south Florida) anytime soon to escape antisemitism. This is the most bizarre argument I’ve seen lately on DCUM and that’s really saying something…

At exactly how many southern universities do you see Palestinian flags waving and being erected on school buildings, Jewish students being bullied and/or assaulted, etc? Jewish students and families are welcomed in the south.

Like I said: read a history book. You think because (most) southerners aren’t waving Palestinian flags that means that southerners support Jews? Are you really that simple-minded and ignorant of history and politics in the south?

It is now 2024. You need to come visit with people at the Temple in Atlanta and with the many Jewish families who live in the Atlanta area and other southern cities. Visit chools with large numbers of Jewish students like U of FL, Emory, and Tulane.

The irony of PP's post is thick.

How so? I am so tired of people pretending history and politics don’t matter. I’m glad things are getting better at many universities in the south and sure, UF, Tulane, and Emory are notable exceptions to backward thinking but unfortunately that doesn’t erase a rich history of racism, bigotry, and intolerance that permeates throughout the south.

+1 million

VA is bad enough, definitely don't want to head further south.

Then stick close to Columbia with its forward thinking, welcoming atmosphere.

There are literally thousands of colleges in the Us. You do realize the decision isn’t “Columbia or South of the Mason Dixon line”, right? And BTW— how are Emory, UT Austin and the like doing with their encampments?

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Anonymous wrote:Kids don’t have blinders on anymore. The nation feels smaller than ever. They don’t want crummy weather and lunatic politics. TikTok and instagram display how gorgeous, fun and sunny the South is. Honestly, the northeast and Midwest are cold, dreary, and full of miserable people.

Prime of your life should be spent somewhere fun. Undergrad education is the same anywhere. Go study in the sun.

Except the numbers don’t actually bear this out. Penn State main campus has increased enrollment nearly 50% over the last 10 years, while schools like Clemson and Florida have increased enrollment by 20% and 10%, respectively. Penn State enrollment is up 15,000 students while those two combined are up 7500.

Since Covid and TO (and schools adopting the common app), applications across the board are up 40%.

Again, it’s really the top 150 -200 schools regardless of location that are wildly popular vs all other schools.

Please post all your citations.
DP

Stop being a lazy POS and go look at the CDS for each school above and the time period.

You made the claim, you provide the cite.

It’s DCUM, not some PhD thesis. Go look at the CDS data for the time periods.

There is your citation you dips**t.

DP- You seem really pent up, been awhile?

Not at all…just can’t stand the lazy f**ks that can’t use Google themselves.

DP. First of all, enrollment is meaningless. Most universities have a cap on enrollment. Applications, acceptance rate and yield are what matter.

FWIW, at one point I did look up the increase in *applications* to various schools across the country, and the “apps are up everywhere” is true to some degree, but southeastern schools are up way above the national average, and most northeastern schools are way below. Some, like, Harvard, are even down. You can go use Google and find the data yourself.

Except you have to attend some school…so enrollments matter. Are you trying to argue some theoretical situation where you wanted to go to college in the South but actually ended up attending in the North…that I guess you are just really despondent over that?

Yield rates at a school like Clemson are abysmal…only 14%. Applications to the University if Pittsburgh and UMD have increased nearly as much as Clemson and UTK. Again, go look at the CDS data.

Schools can only “be the future” if they actually enroll these students…or if kids start enrolling in 2nd tier southern schools because they are choosing the South over the North.

This is really just Southern flagships/Power5 schools in the South that are popular…not the rest.

[Anonymous]

It’s taken almost 160 years but the South is once again on an upward swing.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s taken almost 160 years but the South is once again on an upward swing.

^Exactly. This is where Reconstruction would have gotten us sooner if it hadn't been abandoned. Every Yankee should be happy that hearts and minds are finally being won.