7/24/23 Trial of Usman Shahid -- driver who killed two Oakton teens

[Anonymous]

Also it's unthinkable he won't get "any" jail time. That might have been achievable in a plea deal but probably not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did a previous poster say that Usman's father is a bus driver? He must have cautioned Usman about safe driving.

Yes, if Usman learned to drive from his dad, I want to steer clear of that bus.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a comment questioning jury’s competency too LOL
that said maybe jury didn’t understand or something

One of the news articles post-verdict said the jury asked a question about the definition of the word “callous.” I’m surprised that word was included in the jury instructions. Shows that a typical jury may struggle with issues that the largely college-educated DCUM posters would find simple.

I know what callous means. I would want clarity wrt what it means in a court of law. NP

[Anonymous]

Rich parents. They were able to delay the trial for two years. They buy this kid a BMW they hire high-powered attorneys. They squashed all social media Talk about him for two years.

[Anonymous]

He has a flight risk. His parents can easily get him on a flight out of IAD to Pakistan for an undetermined period of time and then scrub his identity there and get a new name and come back. It’s been done.

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Anonymous wrote:He was only detained for the night. Likeky he wont get any jail time. That is the advantage of having expensive attorneys

VINELink says he is still in custody with Fairfax county sheriff's office

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rich parents. They were able to delay the trial for two years. They buy this kid a BMW they hire high-powered attorneys. They squashed all social media Talk about him for two years.

How does one do this?

[Anonymous]

Apparently, two jurors were crying when they handed out the verdict. Assuming it was from sympathy for Usman. I would be willing to bet that the jurors themselves were willing to come up with a guilty verdict but agreed to give the minimal sentence. He may even get house arrest for two years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rich parents. They were able to delay the trial for two years. They buy this kid a BMW they hire high-powered attorneys. They squashed all social media Talk about him for two years.

How does one do this?

I am not sure, but maybe - dual citizenship, and he could left the country with the other passport.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently, two jurors were crying when they handed out the verdict. Assuming it was from sympathy for Usman. I would be willing to bet that the jurors themselves were willing to come up with a guilty verdict but agreed to give the minimal sentence. He may even get house arrest for two years.

One would assume it would be sympathy for the families of the victims. The statement from the mother of one of the girls nearly had me in tears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently, two jurors were crying when they handed out the verdict. Assuming it was from sympathy for Usman. I would be willing to bet that the jurors themselves were willing to come up with a guilty verdict but agreed to give the minimal sentence. He may even get house arrest for two years.

Where'd you get your law degree?

[Anonymous]

Has it ever been determined if the parents knowingly let him drive the car without a valid license? The car would have been in their names (you can’t register a car without proof of a valid license). He had access to the keys. Assuming he was driving the car home from school that day then he also drove it to school that day as well. They must have known? Had he also been driving it solo the previous days too?

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Anonymous wrote:Has it ever been determined if the parents knowingly let him drive the car without a valid license? The car would have been in their names (you can’t register a car without proof of a valid license). He had access to the keys. Assuming he was driving the car home from school that day then he also drove it to school that day as well. They must have known? Had he also been driving it solo the previous days too?

That’s going to be a key issue in litigation against the parents. At this point I have to assume they’ve been added as defendants in the civil case (or will be shortly if the victims’ attorneys just learned about the learner’s permit).

One of the complicating factors is, I believe, there are circumstances in VA in which a driver with a learner’s permit can drive without someone over 21. So even if they intended for him to drive the car before attaining a license, it’s possible they could argue they intended for him to drive in a manner consistent with the permit conditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has it ever been determined if the parents knowingly let him drive the car without a valid license? The car would have been in their names (you can’t register a car without proof of a valid license). He had access to the keys. Assuming he was driving the car home from school that day then he also drove it to school that day as well. They must have known? Had he also been driving it solo the previous days too?

That’s going to be a key issue in litigation against the parents. At this point I have to assume they’ve been added as defendants in the civil case (or will be shortly if the victims’ attorneys just learned about the learner’s permit).

One of the complicating factors is, I believe, there are circumstances in VA in which a driver with a learner’s permit can drive without someone over 21. So even if they intended for him to drive the car before attaining a license, it’s possible they could argue they intended for him to drive in a manner consistent with the permit conditions.

What circumstances?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has it ever been determined if the parents knowingly let him drive the car without a valid license? The car would have been in their names (you can’t register a car without proof of a valid license). He had access to the keys. Assuming he was driving the car home from school that day then he also drove it to school that day as well. They must have known? Had he also been driving it solo the previous days too?

That’s going to be a key issue in litigation against the parents. At this point I have to assume they’ve been added as defendants in the civil case (or will be shortly if the victims’ attorneys just learned about the learner’s permit).

One of the complicating factors is, I believe, there are circumstances in VA in which a driver with a learner’s permit can drive without someone over 21. So even if they intended for him to drive the car before attaining a license, it’s possible they could argue they intended for him to drive in a manner consistent with the permit conditions.

What circumstances?

From the DMV website:

You may drive with your learner's permit without a licensed driver if you:

Hold a valid Virginia Driver Training Certificate (DTS B), signed by a parent or legal guardian, showing completion of the classroom and behind-the-wheel portions of driver education
Are at least 16 years 3 months old, and
Have held your learner's permit for nine months