Was Obama indirectly responsible for Trump becoming president?

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are responsible for Trump. They had the chance to nominate one of 13 other qualified candidates and they picked the lying psychopath who subverts American values and the Constitution.

Republicans have only themselves to blame for this mess. Take personal responsibility for your failings.

What mess? He is unconventional but we have an economy that is humming along after years of being in the doldrums, many more Americans feel we are on the right track, he is implementing or trying to implement his campaign promises, judicial appointments are the conservatives he promised, he is trying to work out a deal with NK, he told Iran to go fly a kite, he is actually pushing for better trade deals and making some progress ........ and above all, he is driving liberals to become total loonies as evidenced by the posts on this forum!

Bonus: he made sure that Hillary - an utter incompetent - did not gain the presidency.

Delusional deplorables.

I wasn't the PP you're addressing, but your continuing to call people delusional deplorables exemplifies the very attitude that caused you to lose the election.

If you demonstrate that you’re a delusional deplorable, I’ll call you a delusional deplorable. Deplorables will vote like a deplorable no matter what. It’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Actually, that's not true. There are some moderates who vote either way - even voting split ticket - who are leaving the party due to the hate liberals like you are spewing. In a tight election, the type of nastiness you're displaying may end up costing you the election. So go ahead and keep doubling down on your.....say, what's the word I'm looking for,,,,oh, yeah....DEPLOROABLE name-calling, and lose again.

If they choose to vote for a corrupt a-hole like Trump just because of some anonymous comments on DCUM then they were deplorable all along.

Not because of anonymous comments in DCUM......it's pervasive. My sister's former boyfriend said anyone who voted for Ttump is a moron.....said in front of my mother....whom she knew voted for Trump. Hence, former.

Lucky guy got out in time. Your mom would vote for Trump regardless of what he said.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are responsible for Trump. They had the chance to nominate one of 13 other qualified candidates and they picked the lying psychopath who subverts American values and the Constitution.

Republicans have only themselves to blame for this mess. Take personal responsibility for your failings.

What mess? He is unconventional but we have an economy that is humming along after years of being in the doldrums, many more Americans feel we are on the right track, he is implementing or trying to implement his campaign promises, judicial appointments are the conservatives he promised, he is trying to work out a deal with NK, he told Iran to go fly a kite, he is actually pushing for better trade deals and making some progress ........ and above all, he is driving liberals to become total loonies as evidenced by the posts on this forum!

Bonus: he made sure that Hillary - an utter incompetent - did not gain the presidency.

Delusional deplorables.

I wasn't the PP you're addressing, but your continuing to call people delusional deplorables exemplifies the very attitude that caused you to lose the election.

If you demonstrate that you’re a delusional deplorable, I’ll call you a delusional deplorable. Deplorables will vote like a deplorable no matter what. It’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Actually, that's not true. There are some moderates who vote either way - even voting split ticket - who are leaving the party due to the hate liberals like you are spewing. In a tight election, the type of nastiness you're displaying may end up costing you the election. So go ahead and keep doubling down on your.....say, what's the word I'm looking for,,,,oh, yeah....DEPLOROABLE name-calling, and lose again.

If they choose to vote for a corrupt a-hole like Trump just because of some anonymous comments on DCUM then they were deplorable all along.

Not because of anonymous comments in DCUM......it's pervasive. My sister's former boyfriend said anyone who voted for Ttump is a moron.....said in front of my mother....whom she knew voted for Trump. Hence, former.

Lucky guy got out in time. Your mom would vote for Trump regardless of what he said.

You still don't get it. I give up.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are responsible for Trump. They had the chance to nominate one of 13 other qualified candidates and they picked the lying psychopath who subverts American values and the Constitution.

Republicans have only themselves to blame for this mess. Take personal responsibility for your failings.

What mess? He is unconventional but we have an economy that is humming along after years of being in the doldrums, many more Americans feel we are on the right track, he is implementing or trying to implement his campaign promises, judicial appointments are the conservatives he promised, he is trying to work out a deal with NK, he told Iran to go fly a kite, he is actually pushing for better trade deals and making some progress ........ and above all, he is driving liberals to become total loonies as evidenced by the posts on this forum!

Bonus: he made sure that Hillary - an utter incompetent - did not gain the presidency.

Delusional deplorables.

I wasn't the PP you're addressing, but your continuing to call people delusional deplorables exemplifies the very attitude that caused you to lose the election.

If you demonstrate that you’re a delusional deplorable, I’ll call you a delusional deplorable. Deplorables will vote like a deplorable no matter what. It’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Actually, that's not true. There are some moderates who vote either way - even voting split ticket - who are leaving the party due to the hate liberals like you are spewing. In a tight election, the type of nastiness you're displaying may end up costing you the election. So go ahead and keep doubling down on your.....say, what's the word I'm looking for,,,,oh, yeah....DEPLOROABLE name-calling, and lose again.

If they choose to vote for a corrupt a-hole like Trump just because of some anonymous comments on DCUM then they were deplorable all along.

Not because of anonymous comments in DCUM......it's pervasive. My sister's former boyfriend said anyone who voted for Ttump is a moron.....said in front of my mother....whom she knew voted for Trump. Hence, former.

Lucky guy got out in time. Your mom would vote for Trump regardless of what he said.

You still don't get it. I give up.

Did his comment affect anyone's vote?

Nope, but it did save him from a lifetime of an annoying Trump-supporting MIL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are responsible for Trump. They had the chance to nominate one of 13 other qualified candidates and they picked the lying psychopath who subverts American values and the Constitution.

Republicans have only themselves to blame for this mess. Take personal responsibility for your failings.

What mess? He is unconventional but we have an economy that is humming along after years of being in the doldrums, many more Americans feel we are on the right track, he is implementing or trying to implement his campaign promises, judicial appointments are the conservatives he promised, he is trying to work out a deal with NK, he told Iran to go fly a kite, he is actually pushing for better trade deals and making some progress ........ and above all, he is driving liberals to become total loonies as evidenced by the posts on this forum!

Bonus: he made sure that Hillary - an utter incompetent - did not gain the presidency.

Delusional deplorables.

I wasn't the PP you're addressing, but your continuing to call people delusional deplorables exemplifies the very attitude that caused you to lose the election.

If you demonstrate that you’re a delusional deplorable, I’ll call you a delusional deplorable. Deplorables will vote like a deplorable no matter what. It’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Actually, that's not true. There are some moderates who vote either way - even voting split ticket - who are leaving the party due to the hate liberals like you are spewing. In a tight election, the type of nastiness you're displaying may end up costing you the election. So go ahead and keep doubling down on your.....say, what's the word I'm looking for,,,,oh, yeah....DEPLOROABLE name-calling, and lose again.

If they choose to vote for a corrupt a-hole like Trump just because of some anonymous comments on DCUM then they were deplorable all along.

Not because of anonymous comments in DCUM......it's pervasive. My sister's former boyfriend said anyone who voted for Ttump is a moron.....said in front of my mother....whom she knew voted for Trump. Hence, former.

Lucky guy got out in time. Your mom would vote for Trump regardless of what he said.

You still don't get it. I give up.

Did his comment affect anyone's vote?

Nope, but it did save him from a lifetime of an annoying Trump-supporting MIL.

My mother's a lovely woman.. The fact that you are putting her down simoly because she didn't vote for the candidate you wanted, while saying nothing about how obnoxious he was to call my mother a moron (!), tells me how deranged you are. Thank The Lord that my mother wasn't stuck with a rude, disrepectful SIL - and my sister was saved from a terrible husband.

If you're a single woman, maybe I'll send him in your direction. You deserve each other.

[Anonymous]

Non-pc is the reaction against extreme pc (or the imminent three of an extreme pc future).

Non-pc was going to win.

Trump was the only non-pc to run (didn’t care about reputation, tidying up his look or his policies or his past statements). *you might say Cruz or rand Paul would fit this mood too, I guess? But they’re ‘cleaner’ than him by a mile.

It’s unfortunate. I agree with being more aware and acting on social respect, but culturally, the left was large and in charge (still is) of our future. People are reacting against THAT.

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Three = threat.
I think autocorrect changed that after I typed it.... anyways...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Non-pc is the reaction against extreme pc (or the imminent three of an extreme pc future).

Non-pc was going to win.

Trump was the only non-pc to run (didn’t care about reputation, tidying up his look or his policies or his past statements). *you might say Cruz or rand Paul would fit this mood too, I guess? But they’re ‘cleaner’ than him by a mile.

It’s unfortunate. I agree with being more aware and acting on social respect, but culturally, the left was large and in charge (still is) of our future. People are reacting against THAT.

/\ like I said, racists got super duper pissed about having a black president so elected someone that let them be racist with some pride

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Anonymous wrote:I think the unleashed racism and hatred of elites that got Trump elected was in direct response to what Obama embodied. So yes but for different reasons.

What racism? Surely you're not going to dig out that Charlotteville example again, comprising 1/100,000 of 1% of the popualtion? (Less, even.) The fact of the matter is that if racism were as prevalent as you claim, Obama wouldn't have won. (My vote: 2008/Obama, 2012/Romney, 2016/Trump.)

Obama was a bland President. In my opinion the only way to explain the over the top HATRED of him is racism. W was hated because he got a bunch of troops killed. No other President since like, Nixon/LBJ have been as LOATHED as Obama. It just doesn't make sense.

The types of things he did, overreach etc, those happened in prior presidencies.

The only other thing I can think of is that Obama was elected kind of in line with the dawn of the 24/7 news cycle and mainstream of the internet.

But it just doesn't make sense, on paper he is not an extraordinary President for anything OTHER than being black.

Think harder.

Condescending even to people in his party.
- lots of presidents were dicks, and I don't think he really was one but still

Couldn't get a thing done even when his party ran Congress -- for example immigration.

Attended for decades a church with an America-hating reverend.

A riot a month.

Syrian, Lybia and Israel debacles.

Oops, Crimea and Ukraine debacles too.

Slowest recovery in recorded history.

Doubled US public debt.

You must live in lalaland.

Condescending even to people in his party.
- lots of presidents were dicks, and I don't think he really was one but still. LBJ???? He was a giant ahole.

Couldn't get a thing done even when his party ran Congress -- for example immigration.
- Um healthcare?

Attended for decades a church with an America-hating reverend.
No President had an unblemished set of past acquaintances. If anything the focus on who the pastor was at a church he attended speaks to my point of the bizarre level of hatred and scrutiny he faced


A riot a month.
It wasn't a riot a month, it was periods of turmoil associated with specific events IE Ferguson. Do you not count the LA Race Riots or Kent State as similar type events? The fact that these are blamed on him again, speaks to a weird double standard

Syrian, Lybia and Israel debacles.
Every President in modern history has had a debacle in the middle east. Trump has ALREADY kind of had a couple (Niger, Isreal, Syria). And oh hey you forgot Benghazi!

Oops, Crimea and Ukraine debacles too.
You're really going to go to Russia to act like Obama stands alone? PS: no President during the ACTUAL COLD WAR was as hated as Obama

Slowest recovery in recorded history.
???? The recession was W's fault, they managed to keep it a recession instead of a depression. He took over in the midst of the crisis and when he turned over the reigns unemployment was rock bottom. In another point in favor of 'weird unexplained bias that of course couldn't be racism' conservatives like to say that Obama's numbers were over inflated because people dropped out of the workforce after giving up but apparently, when Trump took over all of those people flooded back in AND the numbers stayed low so its really all because of him. Which is an insane set of mental gymnastics designed to hate Obama and love Trump.

Doubled US public debt.
Basically ever President, current one is blowing the budget way worse than Obama. Basically the only President who doesn't have this black mark in recent history is a Clinton, the family of the devil.


You must live in lalaland.

I'm not saying Obama was perfect, I'm saying he has been judged far more harshly than his peers. Which is true.

Opioid epidemic
Predates Obama, other president's facing drug epidemics were not hated.

Exploding Obamacare premiums.
Other Presidents have presided over unpopular programs/policies/laws without being loathed.

China building artificial island and taking over the Pacific with total immunity.
How is this Obama's fault? China has been acting like this for decades. No hate toward the Bushes or Bill on this?

Dems losing one thousand elected positions at local and state levels.
Actually a statistically normal trend. When one party controls all three big parts of gov they typically struggle to retain it (something for you to look forward to for the next few years)

Frozen military budgets.
Not sure what this means, we spend more on the military than any other country on the planet. And the average civilian doesn't understand this well enough to hate it anyway

DOJ's war on police.
Holding police departments accountable for systemic reason and being hated for it is basically agreeing with me that the backlash against Obama is racist.

Dozens of multinationals moving their headquarters abroad.
Tightening up tax loopholes on foreign companies would, in a different day and age, been celebrated by conservatives. How do you jive 'buy american hire american' with this criticism?

Want more?
You have given not a single unique example except perhaps the DOJ police monitoring. And that one proves my point. All these things happen all the time, budgets, policies, laws, riots. They happen in every presidency. But obama is seen as like the antichrist. What makes him different? Oh yeah that weird bias that definitely has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Hey dude, are you high?

Many of those items are unique to Obama (for example the opioid epidemic, the riots and the Chinese artificial islands). And, even if previous Presidents experienced similar problems too, no President I can remember had, or created, ALL those problems at the same time.

And let's add a few, shall we?

20% increase in murders, breaking a 2-decade trend.

NSA spying Americans.

Guantanamo still open.

Much expanded drone killings.

Continued decline in international education ratings.

The majority of Americans saying we were "on the wrong track".

The government forcing religious groups to pay for anticonceptives and abortion services.

So much new stupid regulation that universities had to double their non-teaching staff (surprise surprise, tuition rates go up!)

Student debt doubled.

The majority of Americans saying race relations are worst in decades.

Net net, Obama was a pretty bad 2-term President. And he came with ski-high expectations (including among many people who later would vote Trump). So, that disconnect between promises he made and what he delivered was probably the largest in US history -- and paved the way for Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the unleashed racism and hatred of elites that got Trump elected was in direct response to what Obama embodied. So yes but for different reasons.

What racism? Surely you're not going to dig out that Charlotteville example again, comprising 1/100,000 of 1% of the popualtion? (Less, even.) The fact of the matter is that if racism were as prevalent as you claim, Obama wouldn't have won. (My vote: 2008/Obama, 2012/Romney, 2016/Trump.)

Obama was a bland President. In my opinion the only way to explain the over the top HATRED of him is racism. W was hated because he got a bunch of troops killed. No other President since like, Nixon/LBJ have been as LOATHED as Obama. It just doesn't make sense.

The types of things he did, overreach etc, those happened in prior presidencies.

The only other thing I can think of is that Obama was elected kind of in line with the dawn of the 24/7 news cycle and mainstream of the internet.

But it just doesn't make sense, on paper he is not an extraordinary President for anything OTHER than being black.

Think harder.

Condescending even to people in his party.
- lots of presidents were dicks, and I don't think he really was one but still

Couldn't get a thing done even when his party ran Congress -- for example immigration.

Attended for decades a church with an America-hating reverend.

A riot a month.

Syrian, Lybia and Israel debacles.

Oops, Crimea and Ukraine debacles too.

Slowest recovery in recorded history.

Doubled US public debt.

You must live in lalaland.

Condescending even to people in his party.
- lots of presidents were dicks, and I don't think he really was one but still. LBJ???? He was a giant ahole.

Couldn't get a thing done even when his party ran Congress -- for example immigration.
- Um healthcare?

Attended for decades a church with an America-hating reverend.
No President had an unblemished set of past acquaintances. If anything the focus on who the pastor was at a church he attended speaks to my point of the bizarre level of hatred and scrutiny he faced


A riot a month.
It wasn't a riot a month, it was periods of turmoil associated with specific events IE Ferguson. Do you not count the LA Race Riots or Kent State as similar type events? The fact that these are blamed on him again, speaks to a weird double standard

Syrian, Lybia and Israel debacles.
Every President in modern history has had a debacle in the middle east. Trump has ALREADY kind of had a couple (Niger, Isreal, Syria). And oh hey you forgot Benghazi!

Oops, Crimea and Ukraine debacles too.
You're really going to go to Russia to act like Obama stands alone? PS: no President during the ACTUAL COLD WAR was as hated as Obama

Slowest recovery in recorded history.
???? The recession was W's fault, they managed to keep it a recession instead of a depression. He took over in the midst of the crisis and when he turned over the reigns unemployment was rock bottom. In another point in favor of 'weird unexplained bias that of course couldn't be racism' conservatives like to say that Obama's numbers were over inflated because people dropped out of the workforce after giving up but apparently, when Trump took over all of those people flooded back in AND the numbers stayed low so its really all because of him. Which is an insane set of mental gymnastics designed to hate Obama and love Trump.

Doubled US public debt.
Basically ever President, current one is blowing the budget way worse than Obama. Basically the only President who doesn't have this black mark in recent history is a Clinton, the family of the devil.


You must live in lalaland.

I'm not saying Obama was perfect, I'm saying he has been judged far more harshly than his peers. Which is true.

Opioid epidemic
Predates Obama, other president's facing drug epidemics were not hated.

Exploding Obamacare premiums.
Other Presidents have presided over unpopular programs/policies/laws without being loathed.

China building artificial island and taking over the Pacific with total immunity.
How is this Obama's fault? China has been acting like this for decades. No hate toward the Bushes or Bill on this?

Dems losing one thousand elected positions at local and state levels.
Actually a statistically normal trend. When one party controls all three big parts of gov they typically struggle to retain it (something for you to look forward to for the next few years)

Frozen military budgets.
Not sure what this means, we spend more on the military than any other country on the planet. And the average civilian doesn't understand this well enough to hate it anyway

DOJ's war on police.
Holding police departments accountable for systemic reason and being hated for it is basically agreeing with me that the backlash against Obama is racist.

Dozens of multinationals moving their headquarters abroad.
Tightening up tax loopholes on foreign companies would, in a different day and age, been celebrated by conservatives. How do you jive 'buy american hire american' with this criticism?

Want more?
You have given not a single unique example except perhaps the DOJ police monitoring. And that one proves my point. All these things happen all the time, budgets, policies, laws, riots. They happen in every presidency. But obama is seen as like the antichrist. What makes him different? Oh yeah that weird bias that definitely has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Hey dude, are you high?

Many of those items are unique to Obama (for example the opioid epidemic, the riots and the Chinese artificial islands). And, even if previous Presidents experienced similar problems too, no President I can remember had, or created, ALL those problems at the same time.

And let's add a few, shall we?

20% increase in murders, breaking a 2-decade trend.

NSA spying Americans.

Guantanamo still open.

Much expanded drone killings.

Continued decline in international education ratings.

The majority of Americans saying we were "on the wrong track".

The government forcing religious groups to pay for anticonceptives and abortion services.

So much new stupid regulation that universities had to double their non-teaching staff (surprise surprise, tuition rates go up!)

Student debt doubled.

The majority of Americans saying race relations are worst in decades.

Net net, Obama was a pretty bad 2-term President. And he came with ski-high expectations (including among many people who later would vote Trump). So, that disconnect between promises he made and what he delivered was probably the largest in US history -- and paved the way for Trump.

And there's always more...

Using the IRS to target conservative groups

Using DOJ to prosecute journalists and their sources

A Secretary of State with clear conflicts of interests (husband receiving millions from foreign powers) and ignoring basic security protocols

Chinese hackers steal millions of SS and vetting records

Massive leaks

No one prominent banker in jail

Millions lose their existing insurance, and millions more have to pay $1,000 on average in order to NOT have health insurance (because of absurd premium rates)

Yup, the only problem with President Obama was his skin color...you are kidding yourself.

[Anonymous]

The only people responsible for Trump are his idiot voters. Personal responsibility (I know idiot Trumpsters only believe in that for other people; they continue to be lazy and do drugs and cry about their lot in life).

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Anonymous wrote:The only people responsible for Trump are his idiot voters. Personal responsibility (I know idiot Trumpsters only believe in that for other people; they continue to be lazy and do drugs and cry about their lot in life).

^^^ another example of why Trump won.

People were fed up with sanctimonious, holier-than-thou liberals who feel they know better than the "idiots" - who of course are people who disagree with them politically.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people responsible for Trump are his idiot voters. Personal responsibility (I know idiot Trumpsters only believe in that for other people; they continue to be lazy and do drugs and cry about their lot in life).

^^^ another example of why Trump won.

People were fed up with sanctimonious, holier-than-thou liberals who feel they know better than the "idiots" - who of course are people who disagree with them politically.

Not a liberal. Just someone who can’t stand idiots and the harm they are doing. Get back to your opioids.

[Anonymous]

People were fed up with sanctimonious, holier-than-thou liberals who feel they know better than the "idiots" - who of course are people who disagree with them politically.

If you voted in Trump, my days of not respecting your opinion are certainly not ending. That’s not a liberal thing. That’s you hating your kids and your country by putting that relatively evil incompetent clown into any position of authority. You voted for a rich reality tv star. You’re truly a moron.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people responsible for Trump are his idiot voters. Personal responsibility (I know idiot Trumpsters only believe in that for other people; they continue to be lazy and do drugs and cry about their lot in life).

^^^ another example of why Trump won.

People were fed up with sanctimonious, holier-than-thou liberals who feel they know better than the "idiots" - who of course are people who disagree with them politically.

Still blaming others for your own actions? Grow a backbone. Trump voters chose a corrupt a-hole. That’s 100% on them.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people responsible for Trump are his idiot voters. Personal responsibility (I know idiot Trumpsters only believe in that for other people; they continue to be lazy and do drugs and cry about their lot in life).

^^^ another example of why Trump won.

People were fed up with sanctimonious, holier-than-thou liberals who feel they know better than the "idiots" - who of course are people who disagree with them politically.

Still blaming others for your own actions? Grow a backbone. Trump voters chose a corrupt a-hole. That’s 100% on them.

NP here: He is achieving results and doing what he said he'd do even if I don't agree with all of his policies. I did not vote for him but I have a grudging respect for the fact that he sticks to what he said he'd do which is such a contrast to the run of the mill elected politicians.