I get what ur saying but conversely hiring managers are taking less of a risk when they hire T20 vs lesser school. If the former kid blows up in the job, the hiring manager can defend “how was i to know, they graduated x school”, whereas when the latter shts the bed in the role the hiring manager will be blamed for “taking the risk” |
Cute, but most companies don’t have a single “hiring manager” with plenary power to hire candidates. The candidates get screened, often by a committee, then interviewed, usually by direct and indirect supervisors. Then some sort of feedback is elicited and at least a soft consensus built. So no the hiring manager doesn’t get thrown under the bus if someone doesn’t work out. They are more likely to get in trouble for screening out someone with a high GPA in a target major even from a non-elite college. |
maybe this is how it works in ur snowflake world. In the real world AI screens first batch - and in the jobs kids want (IB, Consulting, and Tech), the final decision will be ur boss, or hiring manager - welcome to 2024 |
In the real world, companies have recruiters in HR sorting through resumes and conducting initial screening interviews. By the time candidates reach the hiring manager, they've been through multiple rounds of vetting. |
this isn’t binary and - many shades of gray depending on company, industry, cycle, outlook, etc etc. Many companies approach like you profess as gospel, and many do not |
Would really love an answer to this. |
No. |
I have had several bosses who would only hire T20 graduates. They openly said it. I thought it was a wrong policy, but I wasn’t the boss at the time. |
+1 And it still happens…. These grads always get the benefit of the doubt. Doesn’t make it right, but yes it happens. Sure they may hire others too, but a Cornell degree matters more than Maryland. Always. |
And Cornell won't get you in other doors either |
I would be extremely disappointed if my kids ended up at a Goldman or a Blackstone, etc., so I'd say opinions differ about the "quality" of a peer group that is gunning in that direction. |
Too many people give this crappy stock answer. I assume your kid would at least want to have the option to turn one of these jobs down vs never even remotely considered. For the life of me, I don’t know what for profit entity would pass your test…maybe Patagonia? |
💯 I think ppl want to know that an expensive T20 education may eventually result in an annual salary potential greater then the total cost of the education. Not that the kid needs to actually take that type of job but at least have the option. That is success. |
It is not just Goldman, Jane St, et al, it is better law schools(T14 matters for many goals), top research med schools(T25 research based med schools feed into top residencies: heads of departments in academic medicine come from T20 med disproportionally), and on and on. There are kids who are top intellect with big dreams who want all the doors open to the top of their field: elite universities and selective LACs open more doors. It CAN be done sometimes from the good flagships, but it is a much harder and rarer path. |
Exactly. It’s just easier - all around and all careers - from a T20 etc. I 💯 agree it doesn’t make it right - but that’s not the question or really the point. It’s the reality. |