Do T20s actually matter?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Quality of the peer group is vastly different vs. non T20 IMO.

This.
The networking. The connections. The opportunities.

I went to a T-20 in the 90s and my siblings did not. There’s a huge divergence in earnings and peer group (my college friends and their outcomes compared to theirs)….

Agree with this. I went to a top Ivy, sibling did not. We both did fine in our careers and lives, but we went on to very different paths. And the people we associate with now are very, very different.

Three decades ago is very different from now. More poor kids can attend top schools. More international students, many of whom will never work in the U.S.n More high stats kids are attending publics due to doughnut hole.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do elite schools actually matter? Besides prestige and connections, what are the pros?

I have heard from parents of MIT kids of them getting summer research internship and earning 50K over 3 months which pretty much covers the difference between in-state and out of state tuition (MIT does not give any merit based scholarship since it is pretty much the whole school; only need based scholarship). After graduation I have seen them earning twice more than my salary after 20 years of exp in IT. Lot of T20 school kids end up starting their own startups as well with their classmates. There is a reason why students and parents (like us) crave for top schools.

Parent of freshman at UMD that is doing same thing. Not making 50k but more than enough to pay for tuition.

Well, how much is it? Obviously, if they make 1/2 that much and you are in state your are covering tuition, but it’s not $50k.

So…it doesn’t sound like it is the same at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quality of the peer group is vastly different vs. non T20 IMO.

This.
The networking. The connections. The opportunities.

I went to a T-20 in the 90s and my siblings did not. There’s a huge divergence in earnings and peer group (my college friends and their outcomes compared to theirs)….

Agree with this. I went to a top Ivy, sibling did not. We both did fine in our careers and lives, but we went on to very different paths. And the people we associate with now are very, very different.

Three decades ago is very different from now. More poor kids can attend top schools. More international students, many of whom will never work in the U.S.n More high stats kids are attending publics due to doughnut hole.

top schools are even more barbell these days…. While OOS flagships are more donut hole - solidly MC families….

Let’s see what happens in 10 years where those kids end up.

I suspect the poor /1G T20 and rich Ivy kids will still be getting most of the $$$$$ gigs after graduation.

While the public flagship kids go to med school, law school or work in back office banking or tech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, T20s do not matter.

My niece graduated from Penn State and landed a competitive finance internship. She and her peers are just as smart, impressive and accomplished as the kids coming out of HYPSM.

I am confused by the “graduated” and “internship”…did she land a full time finance job?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quality of the peer group is vastly different vs. non T20 IMO.

This.
The networking. The connections. The opportunities.

I went to a T-20 in the 90s and my siblings did not. There’s a huge divergence in earnings and peer group (my college friends and their outcomes compared to theirs)….

Agree with this. I went to a top Ivy, sibling did not. We both did fine in our careers and lives, but we went on to very different paths. And the people we associate with now are very, very different.

Three decades ago is very different from now. More poor kids can attend top schools. More international students, many of whom will never work in the U.S.n More high stats kids are attending publics due to doughnut hole.

top schools are even more barbell these days…. While OOS flagships are more donut hole - solidly MC families….

Let’s see what happens in 10 years where those kids end up.

I suspect the poor /1G T20 and rich Ivy kids will still be getting most of the $$$$$ gigs after graduation.

While the public flagship kids go to med school, law school or work in back office banking or tech.

There are rich kids at all the private T50s and my guess is that they will, for the most part, have better opportunities than poor or middle class kids at higher ranked schools. Connections and a safety net make a huge difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do elite schools actually matter? Besides prestige and connections, what are the pros?

I have heard from parents of MIT kids of them getting summer research internship and earning 50K over 3 months which pretty much covers the difference between in-state and out of state tuition (MIT does not give any merit based scholarship since it is pretty much the whole school; only need based scholarship). After graduation I have seen them earning twice more than my salary after 20 years of exp in IT. Lot of T20 school kids end up starting their own startups as well with their classmates. There is a reason why students and parents (like us) crave for top schools.

How do you know it’s the institution and not the kid?

DP. Because that parent is smart and you aren’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again. Yo people are insane.

It’s an illnesses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quality of the peer group is vastly different vs. non T20 IMO.

This.
The networking. The connections. The opportunities.

I went to a T-20 in the 90s and my siblings did not. There’s a huge divergence in earnings and peer group (my college friends and their outcomes compared to theirs)….

Agree with this. I went to a top Ivy, sibling did not. We both did fine in our careers and lives, but we went on to very different paths. And the people we associate with now are very, very different.

What makes your path that much better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If T20 schools are so great, why can’t their leaders figure out how to clear a field full of fat ugly female antisemites?

Are you antipalestinian?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do elite schools actually matter? Besides prestige and connections, what are the pros?

Nope. Not at all. It's all hype. LOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quality of the peer group is vastly different vs. non T20 IMO.

This.
The networking. The connections. The opportunities.

I went to a T-20 in the 90s and my siblings did not. There’s a huge divergence in earnings and peer group (my college friends and their outcomes compared to theirs)….

Agree with this. I went to a top Ivy, sibling did not. We both did fine in our careers and lives, but we went on to very different paths. And the people we associate with now are very, very different.

What makes your path that much better?

It is usually the non-ivy sibling coming here to rant about other kid's acceptances.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here we go again. Yo people are insane.

It’s an illnesses

x10000000

You win, OP. Your schools is the best ever, no contest. Every other student's schools sucks. You happy now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The kid who gets into MIT, Yale etc - would have done well coming out of a community college also

Yup. Agree completely. But you’ll never get the status chasers to admit that.

Keep drinking that Kool Aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again. Yo people are insane.

It’s an illnesses

x10000000

You win, OP. Your schools is the best ever, no contest. Every other student's schools sucks. You happy now?

Please don't feed into OP's mental illness!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here we go again. Yo people are insane.

It’s an illnesses

x10000000

You win, OP. Your schools is the best ever, no contest. Every other student's schools sucks. You happy now?

Please don't feed into OP's mental illness!

+1. Here we go again and again and again!!!