Sure, but most kids who get into UVA will have better options for STEM and CS. |
How do some of you get through life with your ridiculous attitudes? |
Rank is important because it attracts higher quality students, which in turn positions the school better. The more UVA falls, the fewer high quality students will apply, instead opting to go elsewhere. School selectivity falls, and UVA becomes just another public. You cannot deny that the school is not on a downward spiral. It is not keeping up with the times and other publics will overtake it. It's fallen from the top public to barely hanging on to 5. |
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Don’t get this especial bashing of Wisconsin, and this is not the only time I’ve seen this happen on this forum. Nobody is saying Wisconsin is super prestigious. But the idea that Wisconsin~=Michigan academically is pretty non controversial among academics. What is it which makes east coasters tolerate Michigan, yet when Wisconsin shows (with the same department ranks) it’s a calamity. |
Hang a moment, I’ve been around long enough to remember that the international rankings had Wisconsin leading until 2012. In fact if you look at ARWU, CRWU UW Madison is actually outranking Michigan globally. From 1980-2012, UW Madison outranked Michigan in Research and Development significantly. So what happened? Well, I like the walker budget cuts and change to tenure had an effect. |
Correction I meant in 2012 UW Madison was outranking Michigan by the ARWU and the CRWU. |
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Dozen years ago. Wisco has fallen. Next.. |
Michigan easily bests Wisconsin in Business, Engineering, Law, Medicine, and others. They are comparable in Liberal Arts disciplines. |
So chemistry is liberal arts now? No clue what you’re talking about with regards to medicine/business/engineering. Yes Michigan is ranked higher, but both are good. With engineering and medicine, the idea that Michigan “easily” beats them is about as absurd as the idea that the earth is flat. Yes Wisco law school sucks. It’s probably impossible for it to be good because it is not in a major metro area. Notice how all the T14s are located in a major metro area. |
Yes, chemistry is can be considered part of liberal arts.
“In the social sciences, majors in political science, economics, psychology, sociology, and anthropology would qualify as liberal arts degrees. And in the natural sciences, a liberal arts degree could be a major in biology, mathematics, chemistry, environmental science, or physics.” I guess the earth is flat since: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate Michigan #5 Wisconsin #17 https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings Michigan #7 Wisconsin #? https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business Michigan #4 Wisconsin #? https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings Michigan #12 Wisconsin #43 Medicine https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings Michigan #13 Wisconsin #35 And just for laughs….. https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings?_sort=my_rankings-asc Michigan #9 Wisconsin #36 I never said Wisconsin wasn’t good. I just said Michigan is easily better. |
It's because of the NYCers who go to Michigan. They've been there, so they trust it. "Wisco" needs to go to more Long Island college fairs. That's all. |
I’ve been around long enough to remember that the widest I’ve ever seen them. In fact that wasn’t so long ago, in 2020 Public University Honors had Michigan and Wisconsin as roughly the same. Michigan, as you’ve rubbed in, has better professional schools. Wisconsin historically has had a dominant college of Letters and Science. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that, regardless of what Michigan ranks in the college of letters of science, you can actually dismisses those rankings so long as you cannot read off any notable figure in such departments. With such an idea, you can totally dismiss Michigan’s medicine, engineering, and their entire college of Letters and Science: they’ve been totally insignificant and have produced no notable figures. Wisconsin, on the other hand, has isolated stem cells, invented the transistor, defined the frontier thesis, introduced the first or second PHDs in history, geology, engineering, and computer science. Wisco simply went through a whole lot of crap with their budget cuts in the last decade. That doesn’t make Michigan a “better” school of the sudden. When examining the whole historical record, only Wisconsin and UChicago have been the defining institutions of the Midwest. |
Once again the booster repeats his same old mantra ad nauseum. Nobody, including you, thinks these two schools are at the same level anymore academically. For overall prestige, Michigan easily bests Wisconsin. OOS Students admitted to both overwhelmingly chose Michigan. Frankly, it isn’t even close. I know how that bothers you, but that’s just the way it is. You should be proud that a school located in a state of only 5 million overachieved for so many years, as you constantly remind everyone here. That’s all in the past now. It’s over. |