University Rankings in 1925:Not much has changed

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest change is Wisconsin. They really dropped off from their high ranking.

UVA has been declining in rankings as well. I wonder if it will end up following the same path.

Good one. UVA actually moved UP in the most recent rankings. Try to pay attention.

UVA is directly next to U of Florida in the rankings. If a herd of meth addicts was represented as a university, it would be U of Florida.

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Wisconsin took a dive about the time margarine became a big deal.

The real dive for Wisconsin occurred when Scott Walker was governor. Like DeSantis, he attacked the state university to "own the libs." I suspect a similar fate will befall the University of Florida. It's hard to recruit good faculty and top students when the politicians are actively trying to undermine the state flagship.

It's why the top private universities will always be qualitatively better than state flagships over the long run. They don't have the same pressures - from both progressives and the right wing - that state schools need to deal with every year.

Another myth. Wisconsin hasn’t declined all that much, they still have some of the best graduates schools in the nation. What decline they have experienced is not because of Walker, though his idiocy didn’t help. Incompetency is the main cause, though endowment management, hiring management, ignoring undergraduates etc. The budget cuts never mattered, because the state was hardly giving anything anyway; less than 15% of the budget is from state funding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest change is Wisconsin. They really dropped off from their high ranking.

UVA has been declining in rankings as well. I wonder if it will end up following the same path.

Good one. UVA actually moved UP in the most recent rankings. Try to pay attention.

UVA is directly next to U of Florida in the rankings. If a herd of meth addicts was represented as a university, it would be U of Florida.

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.

We found one!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest change is Wisconsin. They really dropped off from their high ranking.

UVA has been declining in rankings as well. I wonder if it will end up following the same path.

Good one. UVA actually moved UP in the most recent rankings. Try to pay attention.

You should pay attention. It went from consistently in the top 20/top 3 public to barely holding on to the top 5 publics. If it wasn't for the tie it's probably a top 30. That's a huge fall and it will only get worse.

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I don’t understand why people lie so easily when it is an obvious fact. U chicago was founded at 1890.

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Anonymous wrote:https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/the-best-universities-in-1910-and-1925/1311042

If the link does not work, the rundown is
Top 10 (1925)
1. Chicago
2. Harvard
3. Columbia
4. Yale
5. Wisconsin
6. Princeton
7. Johns Hopkins
8. Michigan
9. Berkeley
10. Cornell

The only difference is that the "Big 3" went from Harvard-Chicago-Columbia, to Harvard-Yale-Princeton. Furthermore, Berkeley eventually eclipsed Wisconsin and Michigan for the top public university spot, which was pretty inevitable given their faculty. Wisconsin is placed higher than say Cornell back then simply due to department strength and college administrators; Charles Van Hise ( Wisconsin's President just before this) is widely considered to be the most important public university president of all time.

Here is the 1910 list:

Harvard
University of Chicago
Columbia
Yale
Cornell
Johns Hopkins
Wisconsin
U. S. Geological Survey
Dept. of Agriculture
MIT
Michigan
California
Carnegie Institute
Princeton
Stanford
Smithsonian
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Bureau of Standards
Missouri

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Anonymous wrote:This so obviously fake. The first ranking in that link, which is from 1910, lists UChicago at #1. UChicago was *FOUNDED* in 1910.

Whoever posted that initially is a very obvious UChicago booster.

The University of Chicago's Hyde Park campus began in 1890 through the efforts of the American Baptist Education Society and oil magnate John D. Rockefeller, who later called it "the best investment I ever made." The University of Chicago held its first classes there on October 1, 1892.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The biggest change is Wisconsin. They really dropped off from their high ranking.

UVA has been declining in rankings as well. I wonder if it will end up following the same path.

Good one. UVA actually moved UP in the most recent rankings. Try to pay attention.

You should pay attention. It went from consistently in the top 20/top 3 public to barely holding on to the top 5 publics. If it wasn't for the tie it's probably a top 30. That's a huge fall and it will only get worse.

And moved UP in the most recent US News rankings. UVA is tied with Carnegie Mellon, Emory and WashU. But keep hating! You just look silly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Wisconsin took a dive about the time margarine became a big deal.

The real dive for Wisconsin occurred when Scott Walker was governor. Like DeSantis, he attacked the state university to "own the libs." I suspect a similar fate will befall the University of Florida. It's hard to recruit good faculty and top students when the politicians are actively trying to undermine the state flagship.

It's why the top private universities will always be qualitatively better than state flagships over the long run. They don't have the same pressures - from both progressives and the right wing - that state schools need to deal with every year.

Another myth. Wisconsin hasn’t declined all that much, they still have some of the best graduates schools in the nation. What decline they have experienced is not because of Walker, though his idiocy didn’t help. Incompetency is the main cause, though endowment management, hiring management, ignoring undergraduates etc. The budget cuts never mattered, because the state was hardly giving anything anyway; less than 15% of the budget is from state funding.

It has declined compared to Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan and 9 other public schools ranked ahead of it. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Curious about Northwestern. When did it rise in perceptions and then rankings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/the-best-universities-in-1910-and-1925/1311042

If the link does not work, the rundown is
Top 10 (1925)
1. Chicago
2. Harvard
3. Columbia
4. Yale
5. Wisconsin
6. Princeton
7. Johns Hopkins
8. Michigan
9. Berkeley
10. Cornell

Premier agricultural school, when the industry was still a big employer??

Don't know why Michigan Booster always tries to make the claim that Wisconsin was an agriculture school. Yes, they've always had an agricultural department, because they are in fact in Wisconsin. But, they were founded as the "University of Wisconsin", not the "state agricultural college". From 1848 to 1866, no agriculture classes were offered, and Wisconsin already gained prominence in their math and greek departments. In fact, in 1852, the Univ of Michigan attempted to hire away Wisconsin's chancellor John Hiram Lathrop, but he refused.

Simmer down. I was the ag poster and not "Michigan booster". Just speculation/observation as to why/how WI would be a top 10 school 100 years ago. No ulterior motive.

By peer rep, Wisconsin is still in the top 20-25 of universities in the United States. It may be impossible for Wisconsin to compete with Berkeley or Harvard, simply because of its location; Madison is a nice town, but significantly distant from a large metro area Still, it has the reputation of the best midwestern public university ( bc Ann Arbor is seen as eastern) and will always be known as one of the best publics.

Ann Arbor is seen as eastern?

To Wisconsin peeps, Ann Arbor is in the direction of Mecca, East..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Wisconsin took a dive about the time margarine became a big deal.

The real dive for Wisconsin occurred when Scott Walker was governor. Like DeSantis, he attacked the state university to "own the libs." I suspect a similar fate will befall the University of Florida. It's hard to recruit good faculty and top students when the politicians are actively trying to undermine the state flagship.

It's why the top private universities will always be qualitatively better than state flagships over the long run. They don't have the same pressures - from both progressives and the right wing - that state schools need to deal with every year.

Another myth. Wisconsin hasn’t declined all that much, they still have some of the best graduates schools in the nation. What decline they have experienced is not because of Walker, though his idiocy didn’t help. Incompetency is the main cause, though endowment management, hiring management, ignoring undergraduates etc. The budget cuts never mattered, because the state was hardly giving anything anyway; less than 15% of the budget is from state funding.

And Virginia Tech is racing ahead in the rankings, soon to catch up and exceed Wisconsin. The Badger will fall to the Castrated Turkey!

It has declined compared to Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan and 9 other public schools ranked ahead of it. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Considering DCUM didn't exist in 1925 and people weren't obsessed with arbitrary magazine rankings like they are now, I doubt that Wisco or even UMich were actually considered more prestigious than schools like UPenn, Dartmouth, Duke, etc.

1) please stop calling it wisco
2) the list is not "prestige"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Wisconsin took a dive about the time margarine became a big deal.

The real dive for Wisconsin occurred when Scott Walker was governor. Like DeSantis, he attacked the state university to "own the libs." I suspect a similar fate will befall the University of Florida. It's hard to recruit good faculty and top students when the politicians are actively trying to undermine the state flagship.

It's why the top private universities will always be qualitatively better than state flagships over the long run. They don't have the same pressures - from both progressives and the right wing - that state schools need to deal with every year.

Another myth. Wisconsin hasn’t declined all that much, they still have some of the best graduates schools in the nation. What decline they have experienced is not because of Walker, though his idiocy didn’t help. Incompetency is the main cause, though endowment management, hiring management, ignoring undergraduates etc. The budget cuts never mattered, because the state was hardly giving anything anyway; less than 15% of the budget is from state funding.

No, Walker and the GOP gutted the UW budget and forced cuts in areas that materially impacted the classroom experience and competitive salaries for faculty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Wisconsin took a dive about the time margarine became a big deal.

The real dive for Wisconsin occurred when Scott Walker was governor. Like DeSantis, he attacked the state university to "own the libs." I suspect a similar fate will befall the University of Florida. It's hard to recruit good faculty and top students when the politicians are actively trying to undermine the state flagship.

It's why the top private universities will always be qualitatively better than state flagships over the long run. They don't have the same pressures - from both progressives and the right wing - that state schools need to deal with every year.

Another myth. Wisconsin hasn’t declined all that much, they still have some of the best graduates schools in the nation. What decline they have experienced is not because of Walker, though his idiocy didn’t help. Incompetency is the main cause, though endowment management, hiring management, ignoring undergraduates etc. The budget cuts never mattered, because the state was hardly giving anything anyway; less than 15% of the budget is from state funding.

No, Walker and the GOP gutted the UW budget and forced cuts in areas that materially impacted the classroom experience and competitive salaries for faculty.

Yeah, I’m from WI and that PP who said the decline has nothing to do w Walker is flat out wrong.