Are we going to hear this week?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would hope so. Qualitative insights trump quantitative any day.

Are you kidding? No, the opinion of a second grade teacher who has minimal to zero training in identifying giftedness and has only known a student for 2-4 months in a class of 25-30, does not trump quantitative data.

The AART at our school is integral in filling out the packet, not just the 2nd grade teacher. And I think the 1st grade teacher is involved too. Some of these people have years of experience.

As usual, another thing that's school-by-school about FCPS. I've heard in some schools some teachers get a reputation for placing kids into level IV.

The AART who has met the student maybe twice and only in a group setting? Even if she has 20 years of experience, she is not going to be able to magically identify all advanced kids with just one or two encapsulation or plus minus equals worksheets.

They are pretty careful to put into level II any kids who they think might be referred or be in pool. Then she pulls them out pretty regularly throughout second grade and does the worksheets that become the work samples. So she knows them better than what you described. Our school has always followed what FCPS used to say about level II - that it's a "talent development pool" for level IV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And now honors classes are slow and even remedial at times. AAP was the last gate kept, appropriately so, educational resource provided by FCPS. But as suspected, it will eventually be for all, which means for none. Glad my kid was able to take advantage of this fantastic resource before these changes.

What is it with FCPS? It used to be a highly regarded school system. Now it's all about dumbing things down in the interests of equity. Don't parents care about educational excellence anymore? My kids are grown and were also able to participate in the Gifted and Talented program when it was limited to about 5% of the student body. Now DS says his kids barely have homework in AAP.

wow this is a first for me seeing a grandparent comment. Truth is things have changed since your child went to school. Some for the better some for the worse but the “lack” of homework is not limited to FCPS. Several school systems as well as privates are doing this now.

Sadly, US kids are not doing all that well, especially in math. Homework develops self-discipline leading to skills and higher achievement. Top US universities are importing grad students in engineering, math, sciences, because American kids are lacking. https://www.future-ed.org/what-the-new-pisa-results-really-say-about-u-s-schools/

I don't think the U. S. has ever really been that great on the PISA. Didn't the first freak out about that happen in the 80s?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would hope so. Qualitative insights trump quantitative any day.

Are you kidding? No, the opinion of a second grade teacher who has minimal to zero training in identifying giftedness and has only known a student for 2-4 months in a class of 25-30, does not trump quantitative data.

The AART at our school is integral in filling out the packet, not just the 2nd grade teacher. And I think the 1st grade teacher is involved too. Some of these people have years of experience.

As usual, another thing that's school-by-school about FCPS. I've heard in some schools some teachers get a reputation for placing kids into level IV.

The AART who has met the student maybe twice and only in a group setting? Even if she has 20 years of experience, she is not going to be able to magically identify all advanced kids with just one or two encapsulation or plus minus equals worksheets.

They are pretty careful to put into level II any kids who they think might be referred or be in pool. Then she pulls them out pretty regularly throughout second grade and does the worksheets that become the work samples. So she knows them better than what you described. Our school has always followed what FCPS used to say about level II - that it's a "talent development pool" for level IV.

This is 1 elementary school out of 144. Our school was like this 5 years ago but not today and most FCPS schools are not operating to this standard. Some schools don’t even have a full-time AART and are sharing with other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And now honors classes are slow and even remedial at times. AAP was the last gate kept, appropriately so, educational resource provided by FCPS. But as suspected, it will eventually be for all, which means for none. Glad my kid was able to take advantage of this fantastic resource before these changes.

What is it with FCPS? It used to be a highly regarded school system. Now it's all about dumbing things down in the interests of equity. Don't parents care about educational excellence anymore? My kids are grown and were also able to participate in the Gifted and Talented program when it was limited to about 5% of the student body. Now DS says his kids barely have homework in AAP.

wow this is a first for me seeing a grandparent comment. Truth is things have changed since your child went to school. Some for the better some for the worse but the “lack” of homework is not limited to FCPS. Several school systems as well as privates are doing this now.

Sadly, US kids are not doing all that well, especially in math. Homework develops self-discipline leading to skills and higher achievement. Top US universities are importing grad students in engineering, math, sciences, because American kids are lacking. https://www.future-ed.org/what-the-new-pisa-results-really-say-about-u-s-schools/

This is nothing new. Top US engineering schools have been doing this for years.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2013/07/15/international-students-are-70-of-ee-grad-students-in-u-s/?sh=5ac4c8b0673e

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And now honors classes are slow and even remedial at times. AAP was the last gate kept, appropriately so, educational resource provided by FCPS. But as suspected, it will eventually be for all, which means for none. Glad my kid was able to take advantage of this fantastic resource before these changes.

What is it with FCPS? It used to be a highly regarded school system. Now it's all about dumbing things down in the interests of equity. Don't parents care about educational excellence anymore? My kids are grown and were also able to participate in the Gifted and Talented program when it was limited to about 5% of the student body. Now DS says his kids barely have homework in AAP.

wow this is a first for me seeing a grandparent comment. Truth is things have changed since your child went to school. Some for the better some for the worse but the “lack” of homework is not limited to FCPS. Several school systems as well as privates are doing this now.

Sadly, US kids are not doing all that well, especially in math. Homework develops self-discipline leading to skills and higher achievement. Top US universities are importing grad students in engineering, math, sciences, because American kids are lacking. https://www.future-ed.org/what-the-new-pisa-results-really-say-about-u-s-schools/

I don't think the U. S. has ever really been that great on the PISA. Didn't the first freak out about that happen in the 80s?

Not sure if you might be referring to a different test. PISA began being administered in 2000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would hope so. Qualitative insights trump quantitative any day.

Are you kidding? No, the opinion of a second grade teacher who has minimal to zero training in identifying giftedness and has only known a student for 2-4 months in a class of 25-30, does not trump quantitative data.

The AART at our school is integral in filling out the packet, not just the 2nd grade teacher. And I think the 1st grade teacher is involved too. Some of these people have years of experience.

As usual, another thing that's school-by-school about FCPS. I've heard in some schools some teachers get a reputation for placing kids into level IV.

The AART who has met the student maybe twice and only in a group setting? Even if she has 20 years of experience, she is not going to be able to magically identify all advanced kids with just one or two encapsulation or plus minus equals worksheets.

They are pretty careful to put into level II any kids who they think might be referred or be in pool. Then she pulls them out pretty regularly throughout second grade and does the worksheets that become the work samples. So she knows them better than what you described. Our school has always followed what FCPS used to say about level II - that it's a "talent development pool" for level IV.

Is this a joke? My child is level 2, it’s on her report card and I got the letter about it, but she does not get pull outs with the AART. She just gets extra math worksheets and maybe one extra math group each week. She doesn’t know who the AART is.

[Anonymous]

Every school is different. We get no pull outs with AART for level II

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every school is different. We get no pull outs with AART for level II

only certain students get pull outs. it's fair everyone's looking out for their own kid, but please support broader equity efforts

[Anonymous]

The more schools lower the rigor and standards in the name of equity, the more students are driven towards outside enrichment. But that may be a good thing for the county - more enrichment small business taxes, more employment opportunities for tutors, more real estate economic development, ... all going towards building an educated community. It's providing tutoring employment opportunities for teens starting in high school. DC tutors at kumon, and gets paid. I would like to see more teens tutoring, much preferable than doing Insta and Tiktoks.

[Anonymous]

My kid is pulled out for level 2 for math. She goes to the AAP classroom and does math with the AAP kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is pulled out for level 2 for math. She goes to the AAP classroom and does math with the AAP kids.

What grade is your kid? There is no AAP class before 3rd grade so either your child is taking math a grade level up or your child is in Advanced Math and not level II

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is pulled out for level 2 for math. She goes to the AAP classroom and does math with the AAP kids.

What grade is your kid? There is no AAP class before 3rd grade so either your child is taking math a grade level up or your child is in Advanced Math and not level II

This must be school dependent, my daughter had pull outs as a first (and second) grader with the AART. A bunch of kids in her class did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is pulled out for level 2 for math. She goes to the AAP classroom and does math with the AAP kids.

What grade is your kid? There is no AAP class before 3rd grade so either your child is taking math a grade level up or your child is in Advanced Math and not level II

This must be school dependent, my daughter had pull outs as a first (and second) grader with the AART. A bunch of kids in her class did.

Whoops misread the PP, there was pull out classes that were occasional but not a designated AAP class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would hope so. Qualitative insights trump quantitative any day.

Are you kidding? No, the opinion of a second grade teacher who has minimal to zero training in identifying giftedness and has only known a student for 2-4 months in a class of 25-30, does not trump quantitative data.

The AART at our school is integral in filling out the packet, not just the 2nd grade teacher. And I think the 1st grade teacher is involved too. Some of these people have years of experience.

As usual, another thing that's school-by-school about FCPS. I've heard in some schools some teachers get a reputation for placing kids into level IV.

The AART who has met the student maybe twice and only in a group setting? Even if she has 20 years of experience, she is not going to be able to magically identify all advanced kids with just one or two encapsulation or plus minus equals worksheets.

They are pretty careful to put into level II any kids who they think might be referred or be in pool. Then she pulls them out pretty regularly throughout second grade and does the worksheets that become the work samples. So she knows them better than what you described. Our school has always followed what FCPS used to say about level II - that it's a "talent development pool" for level IV.

Is this a joke? My child is level 2, it’s on her report card and I got the letter about it, but she does not get pull outs with the AART. She just gets extra math worksheets and maybe one extra math group each week. She doesn’t know who the AART is.

Our AART visits every classroom once a month for Level 1. She starts identifying kids in that setting, with the help of the teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would hope so. Qualitative insights trump quantitative any day.

Are you kidding? No, the opinion of a second grade teacher who has minimal to zero training in identifying giftedness and has only known a student for 2-4 months in a class of 25-30, does not trump quantitative data.

The AART at our school is integral in filling out the packet, not just the 2nd grade teacher. And I think the 1st grade teacher is involved too. Some of these people have years of experience.

As usual, another thing that's school-by-school about FCPS. I've heard in some schools some teachers get a reputation for placing kids into level IV.

The AART who has met the student maybe twice and only in a group setting? Even if she has 20 years of experience, she is not going to be able to magically identify all advanced kids with just one or two encapsulation or plus minus equals worksheets.

They are pretty careful to put into level II any kids who they think might be referred or be in pool. Then she pulls them out pretty regularly throughout second grade and does the worksheets that become the work samples. So she knows them better than what you described. Our school has always followed what FCPS used to say about level II - that it's a "talent development pool" for level IV.

Is this a joke? My child is level 2, it’s on her report card and I got the letter about it, but she does not get pull outs with the AART. She just gets extra math worksheets and maybe one extra math group each week. She doesn’t know who the AART is.

Our AART visits every classroom once a month for Level 1. She starts identifying kids in that setting, with the help of the teacher.

Thank you for informing us. As part of the equity initiatives, we need the AART to thoroughly search for hidden talents or the so called, diamonds in the rough (DITR). Let us know if this is not occurring.
DITR should be everywhere by now.